Comments on: Maliki’s New Street Cred http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:54:32 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: The Congress and Media of Freedom Doesn’t Come Cheap | karmalised http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-246 The Congress and Media of Freedom Doesn’t Come Cheap | karmalised Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:41:59 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-246 [...] Maliki’s New Street Cred Justin Raimondo, Antiwar.com Blog, 21 August 2007 As I said in my Monday column, it’s all about what Seymour Hersh calls “the redirection.” The new enemy is Iran, and that means the Shi’ite government we installed in power is now being treated as an Iranian proxy — or, at least, an ally of Tehran. Levin’s call for Maliki’s ouster, apparently on behalf of the Allawi lobby in Washington, is congruent with Hillary Clinton’s recent statement endorsing the alliance with Sunni insurgents in Anbar and Diyala provinces, and averring that “We have to be preparing to fight the new war.” [...]

]]> By: Is Allawi the new Chalabi? at Antony Loewenstein http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-224 Is Allawi the new Chalabi? at Antony Loewenstein Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:26:22 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-224 [...] Malaki, who has long been Washington’s scapegoat, is posing a problem at a time when Washington is working overtime to demonize Iran and build a case to attack it. As I said in my Monday column, it’s all about what Seymour Hersh calls “the redirection.” The new enemy is Iran, and that means the Shi’ite government we installed in power is now being treated as an Iranian proxy — or, at least, an ally of Tehran. Levin’s call for Maliki’s ouster, apparently on behalf of the Allawi lobby in Washington, is congruent with Hillary Clinton’s recent statement endorsing the alliance with Sunni insurgents in Anbar and Diyala provinces, and averring that “We have to be preparing to fight the new war.” [...] [...] Malaki, who has long been Washington’s scapegoat, is posing a problem at a time when Washington is working overtime to demonize Iran and build a case to attack it. As I said in my Monday column, it’s all about what Seymour Hersh calls “the redirection.” The new enemy is Iran, and that means the Shi’ite government we installed in power is now being treated as an Iranian proxy — or, at least, an ally of Tehran. Levin’s call for Maliki’s ouster, apparently on behalf of the Allawi lobby in Washington, is congruent with Hillary Clinton’s recent statement endorsing the alliance with Sunni insurgents in Anbar and Diyala provinces, and averring that “We have to be preparing to fight the new war.” [...]

]]> By: John Lowell http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-223 John Lowell Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:12:17 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-223 Mooser, "You owe addiction, and most addicts, an apology." LOL :-) John Lowell Mooser,

“You owe addiction, and most addicts, an apology.”

LOL :-)

John Lowell

]]> By: Daniel S. Vieira http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-219 Daniel S. Vieira Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:54:40 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-219 I'm sorry, where do you get the idea that Russia and Iran are hostile to each other? Russia is a key ally of Iran, and the two nations have a large amount of co-operation between them. [1] You are right though: an American attack on Iran will cause the Iranian regime to cuddle up even further to Moscow, which will increase Russian influence in the Gulf region, and perhaps even involve Russian troops in conflict with Americans (perhaps unlikely, but one never knows). Were that to happen, the neo-con dream of taking on the Russkies "mano a mano" would finally be on, God help us all. [1]http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkksEOc5GQwABDnFXNyoA?p=russia%2Biran%2Bcooperation&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501 I’m sorry, where do you get the idea that Russia and Iran are hostile to each other? Russia is a key ally of Iran, and the two nations have a large amount of co-operation between them. [1]

You are right though: an American attack on Iran will cause the Iranian regime to cuddle up even further to Moscow, which will increase Russian influence in the Gulf region, and perhaps even involve Russian troops in conflict with Americans (perhaps unlikely, but one never knows). Were that to happen, the neo-con dream of taking on the Russkies “mano a mano” would finally be on, God help us all.

[1]http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkksEOc5GQwABDnFXNyoA?p=russia%2Biran%2Bcooperation&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501

]]> By: Chris S http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-217 Chris S Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:31:33 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-217 You mean like this little gem I found? "There's no such thing as a socially beneficial conservative.The entire conservative project is dedicated to injustice and preserving the rights and privileges of the rich at the expense of everyone else. Fred Thompson's no different. The only truly socially beneficial conservative I know of was Lord Shaftesbury in England,a member of the House of Lords who basically dedicated his life to getting Britain's working class children out of the coal mines and factories and into school. He died relatively young, worn out with battling the inhumanity of his fellow 'lords' who saw him as a dangerous radical because he didn't like six year old children being mangled in factory machinery. At some point he must have had help to get the laws banning child labour through, but very little of it came from the right. Every life-altering bit of social progress comes from the centre or the left with the right using every means (including murder and mass murder, i.e. war) to stop progress. Of course there have been honourable exceptions but I'm willing to bet Fred Thompson isn't one of them. George W. Bush is proving my point at the moment by doing everything he can to prevent a plan to give America's children health insurance. I haven't heard Fred Thompson making any noises about it. He's no Lord Shaftesbury.Conservatives are the eternal embodiment of the saying that the more things change the more they stay the same. In terms of their world view they should all be wearing powdered wigs and leaping about in a minuet at Versailles but they all try to wear modernity and decency like a badge of honour, spouting about 'reform' when all they really want to do is go back to the 18th century and elitism, exploitation of the working class and senseless wars. The idea that the Bush administration is an aberration is false: it typifies rightwing thought, albeit in an extreme form." You mean like this little gem I found?

“There’s no such thing as a socially beneficial conservative.The entire conservative project is dedicated to injustice and preserving the rights and privileges of the rich at the expense of everyone else. Fred Thompson’s no different.

The only truly socially beneficial conservative I know of was Lord Shaftesbury in England,a member of the House of Lords who basically dedicated his life to getting Britain’s working class children out of the coal mines and factories and into school. He died relatively young, worn out with battling the inhumanity of his fellow ‘lords’ who saw him as a dangerous radical because he didn’t like six year old children being mangled in factory machinery. At some point he must have had help to get the laws banning child labour through, but very little of it came from the right. Every life-altering bit of social progress comes from the centre or the left with the right using every means (including murder and mass murder, i.e. war) to stop progress. Of course there have been honourable exceptions but I’m willing to bet Fred Thompson isn’t one of them. George W. Bush is proving my point at the moment by doing everything he can to prevent a plan to give America’s children health insurance. I haven’t heard Fred Thompson making any noises about it. He’s no Lord Shaftesbury.Conservatives are the eternal embodiment of the saying that the more things change the more they stay the same. In terms of their world view they should all be wearing powdered wigs and leaping about in a minuet at Versailles but they all try to wear modernity and decency like a badge of honour, spouting about ‘reform’ when all they really want to do is go back to the 18th century and elitism, exploitation of the working class and senseless wars. The idea that the Bush administration is an aberration is false: it typifies rightwing thought, albeit in an extreme form.”

]]> By: Karl Rohm http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-216 Karl Rohm Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:51:45 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-216 Personally, I am VERY happy to hear any news of Iraqi leaders stepping up to the plate and serving it up to arrogant US officials. What I wonder, though, is since we are all about fostering democracy in Iraq (okay, we've HAD our elections) and having the Iraqis 'stand up while we stand down' (okay, so our efforts at training already trained soldiers has failed)- what happens when, say, the Iraqis get fed up and formally ally with either Iran and/or Russia and/or any number of states we consider to be 'not friends' if not yet enemies? Say Maliki releases a statement next week demanding the immediate withdrawal of all US forces in Iraq- since he is 'the man' will the US comply with his order? Or do we prove the lie about our wanting Iraqi sovereignty? All in all, if I were in Maliki's shoes I'd be taking a very close look at my prospects in strengthening ties with Tehran and/or Moscow- a VERY close look, and VERY publicly. Personally, I am VERY happy to hear any news of Iraqi leaders stepping up to the plate and serving it up to arrogant US officials. What I wonder, though, is since we are all about fostering democracy in Iraq (okay, we’ve HAD our elections) and having the Iraqis ’stand up while we stand down’ (okay, so our efforts at training already trained soldiers has failed)- what happens when, say, the Iraqis get fed up and formally ally with either Iran and/or Russia and/or any number of states we consider to be ‘not friends’ if not yet enemies? Say Maliki releases a statement next week demanding the immediate withdrawal of all US forces in Iraq- since he is ‘the man’ will the US comply with his order? Or do we prove the lie about our wanting Iraqi sovereignty?

All in all, if I were in Maliki’s shoes I’d be taking a very close look at my prospects in strengthening ties with Tehran and/or Moscow- a VERY close look, and VERY publicly.

]]> By: lynn http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-195 lynn Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:37:55 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-195 Just found your blog. I'll definitely be reading it regularly. Just found your blog. I’ll definitely be reading it regularly.

]]> By: Mooser http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-188 Mooser Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:33:44 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-188 <i>But to cling a forlorn hope as these people have suggests all the force of an addiction.</i> You owe addiction, and most addicts, an apology. But to cling a forlorn hope as these people have suggests all the force of an addiction.

You owe addiction, and most addicts, an apology.

]]> By: Ari http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-153 Ari Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:38:16 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-153 What Mr. Raimondo is not mentioning here is how Russians are viewing the American plan to attack Iran. Russia would be the big winner, since both the U.S. & Iran are hostile to Russia's hegemonic interests in the Caspian Sea & the Central Asia. Therefore, a US-Iran war is very beneficial to Russia as both of its historic enemies will destroy each other. Texas-based Stratfor Intel (aka The Shadow CIA) has more on this: http://www.en.baztab.com/content/?cid=4328 What Mr. Raimondo is not mentioning here is how Russians are viewing the American plan to attack Iran. Russia would be the big winner, since both the U.S. & Iran are hostile to Russia’s hegemonic interests in the Caspian Sea & the Central Asia. Therefore, a US-Iran war is very beneficial to Russia as both of its historic enemies will destroy each other. Texas-based Stratfor Intel (aka The Shadow CIA) has more on this: http://www.en.baztab.com/content/?cid=4328

]]> By: John Lowell http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-141 John Lowell Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:34:33 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-141 Well, when you're as poorly advised as they are about what it means to be human, I suppose that there are insuperable obstacles to knowing how to defend humanity. It seems to me not coincidental that meaningful opposition to the war was voiced as forcefully as it was early on by Pope John Paul II and not by the Democrats and that these early initiatives were echoed in the Vatican response to Lebanon as well. There will be no answer out of Washington because Washington is not capable of an answer. But to cling a forlorn hope as these people have suggests all the force of an addiction. God save us from such allies. John Lowell Well, when you’re as poorly advised as they are about what it means to be human, I suppose that there are insuperable obstacles to knowing how to defend humanity. It seems to me not coincidental that meaningful opposition to the war was voiced as forcefully as it was early on by Pope John Paul II and not by the Democrats and that these early initiatives were echoed in the Vatican response to Lebanon as well.

There will be no answer out of Washington because Washington is not capable of an answer. But to cling a forlorn hope as these people have suggests all the force of an addiction. God save us from such allies.

John Lowell

]]> By: Chris S http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-140 Chris S Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:09:39 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-140 Cuz we are Al-Maliki All the homies say HO! and the girlies gonna scream Cuz we are Al-Maliki All the homies say HO! and the girlies gonna scream Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, #1 in the hood, G' Cuz we are Al-Maliki
All the homies say HO! and the girlies gonna scream
Cuz we are Al-Maliki
All the homies say HO! and the girlies gonna scream

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, #1 in the hood, G’

]]> By: Chris S http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/comment-page-1/#comment-135 Chris S Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:41:59 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/22/malikis-new-street-cred/#comment-135 Today: Useful idiot on some blog site today: ZOMFG WE MAY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP!!!! WHO IS AIPAC!!??! WHY DIDN'T ANYONE SEE THIS COMING??!?!? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN!?!?? All hope is lost. Of course, I imagine that more of these conversations will show up should Hillary win in 08 and the rest of America starts catching up. Maybe... I guess it is easy to be shocked when you spend your entire life wearing blinders you fashioned yourself and refuse to take them off. Today:

Useful idiot on some blog site today: ZOMFG WE MAY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP!!!! WHO IS AIPAC!!??! WHY DIDN’T ANYONE SEE THIS COMING??!?!? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN!?!?? All hope is lost.

Of course, I imagine that more of these conversations will show up should Hillary win in 08 and the rest of America starts catching up. Maybe…

I guess it is easy to be shocked when you spend your entire life wearing blinders you fashioned yourself and refuse to take them off.

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