Comments on: Will the Governator Let Californians Vote on Iraq Pullout? http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:22:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Peace http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/comment-page-1/#comment-48941 Peace Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:46:40 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/#comment-48941 Excellent Excellent

]]> By: MOT http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/comment-page-1/#comment-1275 MOT Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:56:11 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/#comment-1275 Mary, I've got one better than that. How about the next time our "leaders" get the hots to send someone off to die overseas we make them settle it through a knife fight. These erstwhile moral mavens can slice and gut each other silly if it truly means that much to them. That way it becomes truly personal and all the empty rhetoric in the world either manifests itself as reality or shuttles them off to hell where they belong. Mary, I’ve got one better than that. How about the next time our “leaders” get the hots to send someone off to die overseas we make them settle it through a knife fight. These erstwhile moral mavens can slice and gut each other silly if it truly means that much to them. That way it becomes truly personal and all the empty rhetoric in the world either manifests itself as reality or shuttles them off to hell where they belong.

]]> By: Mike http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/comment-page-1/#comment-740 Mike Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:54:06 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/#comment-740 Right. If we don't stay the course in a war justified by lies and fail to continue our occupation of a country that never threatened us, Bin Laden will enslave us all. American women will be forced to wear burkhas. Next, we'd lose our traditional freedoms, and an Islamomeanie central government could jail citizens without charges, and start spying on us without warrants. Oh, wait ... Right. If we don’t stay the course in a war justified by lies and fail to continue our occupation of a country that never threatened us, Bin Laden will enslave us all. American women will be forced to wear burkhas. Next, we’d lose our traditional freedoms, and an Islamomeanie central government could jail citizens without charges, and start spying on us without warrants.

Oh, wait …

]]> By: Marycatherine Barton http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/comment-page-1/#comment-729 Marycatherine Barton Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:15:58 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/#comment-729 How wonderful of Californians to give the people a chance to vote on whether to continue occupying Iraq or not. We the people should be allowed to referendum always before a war in another land is started by U.S. Government. If I am not wrong, as of yet, no war was ever initiated by the people, only by the governments, so asserts Eugene Debs, my fellow Hoosier. How wonderful of Californians to give the people a chance to vote on whether to continue occupying Iraq or not. We the people should be allowed to referendum always before a war in another land is started by U.S. Government. If I am not wrong, as of yet, no war was ever initiated by the people, only by the governments, so asserts Eugene Debs, my fellow Hoosier.

]]> By: Juan O http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/comment-page-1/#comment-728 Juan O Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:02:47 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/#comment-728 Now the people are acting as Generals in a War on Terror? Amazing how far this ANTI WAR NUT movement has gotten. What next which one of you ANTI WAR NUTS will sign the Surrender Treaty with AL QAEDA and what will those terms be? Wake up America, the terrorist love the ANTI WAR movement, they love the support you give them! Congratulations traitors! Now the people are acting as Generals in a War on Terror? Amazing how far this ANTI WAR NUT movement has gotten. What next which one of you ANTI WAR NUTS will sign the Surrender Treaty with AL QAEDA and what will those terms be? Wake up America, the terrorist love the ANTI WAR movement, they love the support you give them! Congratulations traitors!

]]> By: TruePatriot http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/comment-page-1/#comment-722 TruePatriot Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:45:02 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/#comment-722 I just called Swarzenegger's office (sadly, I'm a CA resident unter der Gropinator) -- they're not listening to us and I would guess will never listen to us. The twit who answered the phone said that war was a federal matter. When I pointed out that given that California had the world's fifth largest economy and thus a clear stance by Schwarzenegger would send a very powerful anti-war message to the Bush administration, the twerp yet again said that it was a federal matter. When I pointed out that daily, we here in SoCal are being warned to expect a major earthquake on the San Andreas -- an earthquake that is expected to devastate the entire Los Angeles metropolitan area as well as affect San Diego, Las Vegas and even Phoenix, and yet our National Guard and that of the surrounding states are in Iraq, Schwarzenegger's rep. said yet again that it was a federal matter. But this time he added that the President controls the deployment of the National Guard and there's nothing that governors can do about it. So what millions of us can expect here in CA, because the faults under San Francisco are expected to go off too within the next 15 years, is a slow death trapped underneath rubble, or an even slower one by starvation or thirst when help fails to arrive within months. All because Der Ahnuld doesn't have the balls to stand up to George W. -- What's-His-Last-Name-Again? Here's the number for Schwarzenegger's main office in Sacramento: 916 445 2841 Oddly enough, he has an office in D.C. -- my hackles are raised by that -- am I alone? I just called Swarzenegger’s office (sadly, I’m a CA resident unter der Gropinator) — they’re not listening to us and I would guess will never listen to us. The twit who answered the phone said that war was a federal matter.

When I pointed out that given that California had the world’s fifth largest economy and thus a clear stance by Schwarzenegger would send a very powerful anti-war message to the Bush administration, the twerp yet again said that it was a federal matter.

When I pointed out that daily, we here in SoCal are being warned to expect a major earthquake on the San Andreas — an earthquake that is expected to devastate the entire Los Angeles metropolitan area as well as affect San Diego, Las Vegas and even Phoenix, and yet our National Guard and that of the surrounding states are in Iraq, Schwarzenegger’s rep. said yet again that it was a federal matter. But this time he added that the President controls the deployment of the National Guard and there’s nothing that governors can do about it.

So what millions of us can expect here in CA, because the faults under San Francisco are expected to go off too within the next 15 years, is a slow death trapped underneath rubble, or an even slower one by starvation or thirst when help fails to arrive within months.

All because Der Ahnuld doesn’t have the balls to stand up to George W. — What’s-His-Last-Name-Again?

Here’s the number for Schwarzenegger’s main office in Sacramento:

916 445 2841

Oddly enough, he has an office in D.C. — my hackles are raised by that — am I alone?

]]> By: Chris S http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/comment-page-1/#comment-720 Chris S Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:31:36 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/#comment-720 If the states act up have Bush pull a Lincoln and show them who is boss, the old fashioned way. Bush claims that he gets his order straight from God and Lincoln is a God, so Bush can say that he is following God's example if any states decide to act stately and go against the will of the Pantheon. If the states act up have Bush pull a Lincoln and show them who is boss, the old fashioned way. Bush claims that he gets his order straight from God and Lincoln is a God, so Bush can say that he is following God’s example if any states decide to act stately and go against the will of the Pantheon.

]]> By: Mike http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/comment-page-1/#comment-713 Mike Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:43:56 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/28/will-the-governator-let-californians-vote-on-iraq-pullout/#comment-713 Actually, there are some important historical precedents for State opposition to DC’s wars. During the highly unpopular War of 1812, several New England States threatened secession, and Vermont and Massachusetts refused to send their militias to fight a war they considered an immoral and illegal campaign to forcibly annex Canada. Bush has vowed that he will not end his glorious little war of “liberation” in Iraq, which will leave it to his successor (Hillary and Obama?) to clean up after him. But Hillary, as a leftist Democrat and woman, will have unbearable pressure on her to prove her toughness, which may well put her in the position of Lyndon Johnson, who had to expand the war in Vietnam to prove his “anti-communist” credentials. That may in turn force anti-war States to resume control of their own militias, or prohibiting military operations being launched from their territories. This should be interesting. Actually, there are some important historical precedents for State opposition to DC’s wars. During the highly unpopular War of 1812, several New England States threatened secession, and Vermont and Massachusetts refused to send their militias to fight a war they considered an immoral and illegal campaign to forcibly annex Canada.

Bush has vowed that he will not end his glorious little war of “liberation” in Iraq, which will leave it to his successor (Hillary and Obama?) to clean up after him. But Hillary, as a leftist Democrat and woman, will have unbearable pressure on her to prove her toughness, which may well put her in the position of Lyndon Johnson, who had to expand the war in Vietnam to prove his “anti-communist” credentials. That may in turn force anti-war States to resume control of their own militias, or prohibiting military operations being launched from their territories. This should be interesting.

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