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		<title>By: efd6eff50eec</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/10/you-read-it-here-first/#comment-152696</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 12:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marycatherine Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marycatherine Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These corporategovernment conspirators seem to be omnipresent.  Damn they are good.  I'm still waiting to read the 1940 book, I forget the title,  recommended by Kurt Vonnegut in A Man Without a Country, arguing/attempting to prove, that some people are born without consciences.  At the end of his life he had given up on humanity, and claims so had Einstein and Mark Twain.  The only other book he recommended in his last publication was, House of Saud, House of Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These corporategovernment conspirators seem to be omnipresent.  Damn they are good.  I&#8217;m still waiting to read the 1940 book, I forget the title,  recommended by Kurt Vonnegut in A Man Without a Country, arguing/attempting to prove, that some people are born without consciences.  At the end of his life he had given up on humanity, and claims so had Einstein and Mark Twain.  The only other book he recommended in his last publication was, House of Saud, House of Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: MidwestPhil</title>
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		<dc:creator>MidwestPhil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surfing through YouTube a couple of days ago and came upon an old 1999 ABCNEWS report about the ties between Bin Laden and Saddam. It was blatant propaganda, suggesting such things as the uranium procurement by OBL and the fact that Saddam was going to give assylum to Bin Laden...basically every Bush talking point for the 2003 invasion that have all been debunked!The source of the info were "three intelligence agencies" according to the "reporter".Now I don't subscribe to these conspiracy theories, but this disinformation was disbursed a full year before Bush came to office and several before the tragedies that followed. The PNAC were operative in 1997, but could they have been behind this story?Could this be evidence of a propaganda campaign and show that the decision to invade Iraq was made well before 911?I don't know and hope somebody can shed some light, but please go to YouTube and check the story out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surfing through YouTube a couple of days ago and came upon an old 1999 ABCNEWS report about the ties between Bin Laden and Saddam. It was blatant propaganda, suggesting such things as the uranium procurement by OBL and the fact that Saddam was going to give assylum to Bin Laden&#8230;basically every Bush talking point for the 2003 invasion that have all been debunked!The source of the info were &#8220;three intelligence agencies&#8221; according to the &#8220;reporter&#8221;.Now I don&#8217;t subscribe to these conspiracy theories, but this disinformation was disbursed a full year before Bush came to office and several before the tragedies that followed. The PNAC were operative in 1997, but could they have been behind this story?Could this be evidence of a propaganda campaign and show that the decision to invade Iraq was made well before 911?I don&#8217;t know and hope somebody can shed some light, but please go to YouTube and check the story out!</p>
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		<title>By: Hi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>911 needed to be addressed. My apologies.</description>
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		<title>By: Hi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has actually been a very civil and well-reasoned discussion. I think many of the criticisms of Jones here are fair. This is a very pleasant and shocking surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has actually been a very civil and well-reasoned discussion. I think many of the criticisms of Jones here are fair. This is a very pleasant and shocking surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: donilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>donilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: "Conspiracy Theories"

David Ray Griffin, as usual, offers some actual depth of thought regarding this label - which gets pasted on just about anyone who offers an alternative scenario for 9/11.  

Here's a bit of it:

 David Griffin Replies to NY Times "Conspiracy Theories 101"

In “Conspiracy Theories 101” (Op-Ed, July 22), Stanley Fish gives an idiosyncratic interpretation of academic freedom, limiting it to the freedom to decide what to study. It does not include, in his view, the freedom to “embrace and urge” a viewpoint in the classroom, because to do this is to “proselytize,” to “indoctrinate,” to engage in “partisan advocacy.”

If universities were to enforce this restrictive interpretation, it would mean that biology professors could not explain their reasons for accepting evolutionary theory rather than “creation science”; physics professors could not profess their belief in (or against) the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory; and so on. 

The full reply can be found at:

http://www.mujca.com/griffinandfish.htm

As always, we need to listen to the motivation of the person using the term.  If it's used like an epithet, in order to frame the context for further discussion, that will give a fair idea of what to expect from the conversation to follow.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;Conspiracy Theories&#8221;</p>
<p>David Ray Griffin, as usual, offers some actual depth of thought regarding this label - which gets pasted on just about anyone who offers an alternative scenario for 9/11.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a bit of it:</p>
<p> David Griffin Replies to NY Times &#8220;Conspiracy Theories 101&#8243;</p>
<p>In “Conspiracy Theories 101” (Op-Ed, July 22), Stanley Fish gives an idiosyncratic interpretation of academic freedom, limiting it to the freedom to decide what to study. It does not include, in his view, the freedom to “embrace and urge” a viewpoint in the classroom, because to do this is to “proselytize,” to “indoctrinate,” to engage in “partisan advocacy.”</p>
<p>If universities were to enforce this restrictive interpretation, it would mean that biology professors could not explain their reasons for accepting evolutionary theory rather than “creation science”; physics professors could not profess their belief in (or against) the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory; and so on. </p>
<p>The full reply can be found at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mujca.com/griffinandfish.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mujca.com/griffinandfish.htm</a></p>
<p>As always, we need to listen to the motivation of the person using the term.  If it&#8217;s used like an epithet, in order to frame the context for further discussion, that will give a fair idea of what to expect from the conversation to follow.</p>
<p>donilo</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Steven Hack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Steven Hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not enough of a physicist or a materials scientist or an aeronautics engineer to say what happened to the twin towers or the aircraft that allegedly hit the Pentagon. Neither do I think it's necessary to look at "remote-controlled aircraft" or "non-existent passengers" to establish what happened on 9/11. There is a certain point at which theories of a conspiracy become a joke.

I DO believe that certain officials - specifically Dick Cheney - KNEW that something was going to go down in September, 2001. Whether they knew PRECISELY or just GENERALLY, they KNEW. And they made sure to take steps to let it happen.

Given what Cheney and others were engaged in ON 9/11, I think the circumstantial evidence is considerable that they knew precisely what was going to happen on that date - and they let it happen.

All I need to know to make this belief rational is the existence of the Northwoods documents - in which the Pentagon EXPLICITLY considered a plan to fake the shooting down of a US airliner by Cuban military aircraft as a justification for invading Cuba.

If the US government could conceive of that plan, they could conceive and execute SOME sort of plan resulting in what happened on 9/11.

That and the fact that Justin Raimondo considers it rational to believe that Israeli agents were somehow connected to 9/11 by their presence in New Jersey to film the operation, and by reports of their having followed the hijackers around for months, indicates to me that the entire plan was either known to the Mossad or even created by the Mossad and fed to Al Qaeda through possible double agents.

This would explain pretty much everything: the Mossad created the plan, and certain neocons connected to the Mossad in Washington were aware of the plan. That would be all you would need to make such an operation feasible. You would NOT need "thousands of conspirators" - just a handful of people directed the right way without a "need to know" the ultimate consequences of a report labeled "unverified" or the reassignment of some FBI agents away from the hijackers.

The pilot for the "Lone Gunmen" TV series that was aired six months before 9/11 that featured a US government faction that planned to crash a remote-controlled airliner into the World Trade Center in order to stimulate the arms market had it right - they only showed TWO PEOPLE doing that operation. I'd say you need more than that - but how many? Who knows?

If you don't know HOW it was done, you don't know how it COULD have been done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not enough of a physicist or a materials scientist or an aeronautics engineer to say what happened to the twin towers or the aircraft that allegedly hit the Pentagon. Neither do I think it&#8217;s necessary to look at &#8220;remote-controlled aircraft&#8221; or &#8220;non-existent passengers&#8221; to establish what happened on 9/11. There is a certain point at which theories of a conspiracy become a joke.</p>
<p>I DO believe that certain officials - specifically Dick Cheney - KNEW that something was going to go down in September, 2001. Whether they knew PRECISELY or just GENERALLY, they KNEW. And they made sure to take steps to let it happen.</p>
<p>Given what Cheney and others were engaged in ON 9/11, I think the circumstantial evidence is considerable that they knew precisely what was going to happen on that date - and they let it happen.</p>
<p>All I need to know to make this belief rational is the existence of the Northwoods documents - in which the Pentagon EXPLICITLY considered a plan to fake the shooting down of a US airliner by Cuban military aircraft as a justification for invading Cuba.</p>
<p>If the US government could conceive of that plan, they could conceive and execute SOME sort of plan resulting in what happened on 9/11.</p>
<p>That and the fact that Justin Raimondo considers it rational to believe that Israeli agents were somehow connected to 9/11 by their presence in New Jersey to film the operation, and by reports of their having followed the hijackers around for months, indicates to me that the entire plan was either known to the Mossad or even created by the Mossad and fed to Al Qaeda through possible double agents.</p>
<p>This would explain pretty much everything: the Mossad created the plan, and certain neocons connected to the Mossad in Washington were aware of the plan. That would be all you would need to make such an operation feasible. You would NOT need &#8220;thousands of conspirators&#8221; - just a handful of people directed the right way without a &#8220;need to know&#8221; the ultimate consequences of a report labeled &#8220;unverified&#8221; or the reassignment of some FBI agents away from the hijackers.</p>
<p>The pilot for the &#8220;Lone Gunmen&#8221; TV series that was aired six months before 9/11 that featured a US government faction that planned to crash a remote-controlled airliner into the World Trade Center in order to stimulate the arms market had it right - they only showed TWO PEOPLE doing that operation. I&#8217;d say you need more than that - but how many? Who knows?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t know HOW it was done, you don&#8217;t know how it COULD have been done.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on Goran and skeptic.  I used to read and listen to Alex Jones a bit, and I do believe in conspiracies.  But Jones is just a sensationalist who's out to make a buck off others' research.  That said, he does raise awareness for some people but I prefer to listen to more rational people.  Jones is just too arrogant and aggressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on Goran and skeptic.  I used to read and listen to Alex Jones a bit, and I do believe in conspiracies.  But Jones is just a sensationalist who&#8217;s out to make a buck off others&#8217; research.  That said, he does raise awareness for some people but I prefer to listen to more rational people.  Jones is just too arrogant and aggressive.</p>
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		<title>By: AA</title>
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		<dc:creator>AA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex Jones takes a smidgeon of truth and stretches it as much as he possibly can. If youy watch terrorstorm you'll see how he implies that a German dealth cult wants to enshrine Schwarzenegger as emperor of the world and how our "elites" worshid an owl god. The same nonsense with "mind control" "chemtrails" and plans to enslave the world. He is a cariacature of alternative political views.

There's no way he beleives his nonsense, but he is entertaining and there is often a tiny smidgeon of truth to what he says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex Jones takes a smidgeon of truth and stretches it as much as he possibly can. If youy watch terrorstorm you&#8217;ll see how he implies that a German dealth cult wants to enshrine Schwarzenegger as emperor of the world and how our &#8220;elites&#8221; worshid an owl god. The same nonsense with &#8220;mind control&#8221; &#8220;chemtrails&#8221; and plans to enslave the world. He is a cariacature of alternative political views.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way he beleives his nonsense, but he is entertaining and there is often a tiny smidgeon of truth to what he says.</p>
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		<title>By: Regent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 9-11 problem is Jamie McIntyre standing in front of the Pentagon and saying, "there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon, the only site is the actual site of the building that's crashed in and as I've said the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you can pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections  a fusilage nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse. Now, even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed that didn't happen immediately it wasn't until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed".
I've emailed CNN twice to ask them when McIntyre had his epiphany. They haven't responded. If he was right on his call, then we've got a problem. And don't ask me what happened to the plane. I don't know. I'd settle to know what hit the Pentagon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 9-11 problem is Jamie McIntyre standing in front of the Pentagon and saying, &#8220;there&#8217;s no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon, the only site is the actual site of the building that&#8217;s crashed in and as I&#8217;ve said the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you can pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections  a fusilage nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse. Now, even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed that didn&#8217;t happen immediately it wasn&#8217;t until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed&#8221;.<br />
I&#8217;ve emailed CNN twice to ask them when McIntyre had his epiphany. They haven&#8217;t responded. If he was right on his call, then we&#8217;ve got a problem. And don&#8217;t ask me what happened to the plane. I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;d settle to know what hit the Pentagon.</p>
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		<title>By: wadosy</title>
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		<dc:creator>wadosy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the most sinister part of jones' shtick is his denial of the two main motives israel and the israeli americans would have had to stage 9/11 ---peak oil and global warming.

it's just too damn bad that the israeli americans of the AEI have teamed up with exxon to deny global warming. 

there's so much smoke, so little fire... which i spose is to be expected since the people who yearned for a "new pearl harbor" in sept 2000 were shortly thereafter installed in positions powerful enough to put the fire out... with a little help from their friends in the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the most sinister part of jones&#8217; shtick is his denial of the two main motives israel and the israeli americans would have had to stage 9/11 &#8212;peak oil and global warming.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s just too damn bad that the israeli americans of the AEI have teamed up with exxon to deny global warming. </p>
<p>there&#8217;s so much smoke, so little fire&#8230; which i spose is to be expected since the people who yearned for a &#8220;new pearl harbor&#8221; in sept 2000 were shortly thereafter installed in positions powerful enough to put the fire out&#8230; with a little help from their friends in the media.</p>
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