Comments on: What Does This Have to Do With Libertarianism? http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:51:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Paul http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3963 Paul Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:31:12 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3963 I cancelled my Reason and Liberty subscriptions after 9/11. Both magazines were filled with lousy pro-war/pro-state tripe. Thank god for the internet. I cancelled my Reason and Liberty subscriptions after 9/11. Both magazines were filled with lousy pro-war/pro-state tripe. Thank god for the internet.

]]> By: Ken Biegel http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3946 Ken Biegel Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:45:27 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3946 He may be wrong, but I agree with Hack. It is soon to become the "Middle East War." He may be wrong, but I agree with Hack. It is soon to become the “Middle East War.”

]]> By: Richard Steven Hack http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3819 Richard Steven Hack Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:38:29 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3819 Well, you all remember what Bob Black said once: "Libertarians are just Republicans who smoke pot." Basically, that's true. Which is Ron Paul runs as a Republicans, not a Libertarian. Anybody want to claim Dana Rohrabacher is still a Libertarian - or ever was? I'm a straight up anarchist myself - and a Transhumanist, which in my view is the "successor" to Libertarianism as the "fringe philosophy" of preference. But this Rauch bozo is right about one thing: the Iraq war is a done deal. The Democrats don't have the balls to stop it, and the Republicans won't. People had also better understand that the Iran war is a done deal. You think the Israeli air strike the other day was against Hizballah? Hah! It as an attempt to lure Syria into a war. Israel and the US intend to attack Iran, Syria AND Hizballah in Lebanon in the near future. And the Democrats won't stop that either, because they're all on board with it. Iraq isn't even an issue of importance any more, because it's about to become the "Middle East war", not the "Iraq war". Well, you all remember what Bob Black said once: “Libertarians are just Republicans who smoke pot.”

Basically, that’s true. Which is Ron Paul runs as a Republicans, not a Libertarian. Anybody want to claim Dana Rohrabacher is still a Libertarian - or ever was?

I’m a straight up anarchist myself - and a Transhumanist, which in my view is the “successor” to Libertarianism as the “fringe philosophy” of preference.

But this Rauch bozo is right about one thing: the Iraq war is a done deal. The Democrats don’t have the balls to stop it, and the Republicans won’t.

People had also better understand that the Iran war is a done deal. You think the Israeli air strike the other day was against Hizballah? Hah! It as an attempt to lure Syria into a war. Israel and the US intend to attack Iran, Syria AND Hizballah in Lebanon in the near future.

And the Democrats won’t stop that either, because they’re all on board with it.

Iraq isn’t even an issue of importance any more, because it’s about to become the “Middle East war”, not the “Iraq war”.

]]> By: Chris Baker http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3781 Chris Baker Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:59:25 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3781 Thanks for this commentary. I am also debating whether to renew or not. I had the pleasure of working with Jesse Walker. He left _Liberty_ when I interned there from October 1996 to April 1997. Postrel didn't help the magazine at all. Her cheerleading for Gingrich in 1995 was just plain sickening. Thanks for this commentary. I am also debating whether to renew or not.

I had the pleasure of working with Jesse Walker. He left _Liberty_ when I interned there from October 1996 to April 1997.

Postrel didn’t help the magazine at all. Her cheerleading for Gingrich in 1995 was just plain sickening.

]]> By: Kilted Teuful http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3773 Kilted Teuful Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:48:14 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3773 What's the rush? asks Rauch. Oh, 2-3 billion dollars a week, among other things.* Money borrowed from, among others, the Chinese. (* "Among other things" might happen to include, oh, dead American servicemen, dead Iraqis, you know. "Intangibles.") What’s the rush? asks Rauch.

Oh, 2-3 billion dollars a week, among other things.* Money borrowed from, among others, the Chinese.

(* “Among other things” might happen to include, oh, dead American servicemen, dead Iraqis, you know. “Intangibles.”)

]]> By: Sayin' It Like It Is http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3772 Sayin' It Like It Is Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:47:32 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3772 Justin, unlike "Reason," Antiwar.com does not bill itself as a libertarian site, but, as its name suggests, as an antiwar site. It presents itself as a critique of the warfare state from a broad range of political ideologies, not just libertarianism. "Reason," on the other hand, was founded by libertarians, ostensibly to promote the libertarian tradition. Justin, unlike “Reason,” Antiwar.com does not bill itself as a libertarian site, but, as its name suggests, as an antiwar site. It presents itself as a critique of the warfare state from a broad range of political ideologies, not just libertarianism. “Reason,” on the other hand, was founded by libertarians, ostensibly to promote the libertarian tradition.

]]> By: Eric Garris http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3770 Eric Garris Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:42:22 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3770 We are not competeting for the "most libertarian" prize. We are the premier antiwar site. Reason claims to be the premier libertarian magazine. As I pointed out in my post, I am tolerant of libertarian arguments in favor of war in the pages of that magazine. Trouble is, Rauch makes no such arguments. He makes a "good government" type of case. If you changed his argument about the "surge" and made it about continuing the war on drugs or regulation of business because it was working a little, I doubt that his article would have found itself into Reason's pages. I really wish people would read more than the headline and the first paragraph before they posted comments. We are not competeting for the “most libertarian” prize. We are the premier antiwar site. Reason claims to be the premier libertarian magazine. As I pointed out in my post, I am tolerant of libertarian arguments in favor of war in the pages of that magazine. Trouble is, Rauch makes no such arguments. He makes a “good government” type of case. If you changed his argument about the “surge” and made it about continuing the war on drugs or regulation of business because it was working a little, I doubt that his article would have found itself into Reason’s pages.

I really wish people would read more than the headline and the first paragraph before they posted comments.

]]> By: Svensker http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3754 Svensker Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:58:16 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3754 <i>anger over the disastrous war “does not justify impatience. If Petraeus says he needs more time, he should get it. If he fails, a course correction won’t be long in coming.</i> That will be a big comfort to the families of the people who get killed while we're waiting for the "course correction". anger over the disastrous war “does not justify impatience. If Petraeus says he needs more time, he should get it. If he fails, a course correction won’t be long in coming.

That will be a big comfort to the families of the people who get killed while we’re waiting for the “course correction”.

]]> By: Justin Sobodash http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3752 Justin Sobodash Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:47:39 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3752 Most of the contributors to Reason are thoroughly libertarian most of the time. True, they do allow contributions from those who pervert libertarianism. But misguided hawkishness goes back to at least Rand, and no one can deny her generally good influence. I am also surprised to see antiwar.com try to claim the not-so-coveted "most libertarian" prize. While the website does articulate the most consistent and principled antiwar stance, even its self-described libertarians fall far short of consistent libertarianism: Ron Paul's positions on immigration, free trade, gays in the military, gay marriage and abortion instantly come to mind. Most of the contributors to Reason are thoroughly libertarian most of the time. True, they do allow contributions from those who pervert libertarianism. But misguided hawkishness goes back to at least Rand, and no one can deny her generally good influence.

I am also surprised to see antiwar.com try to claim the not-so-coveted “most libertarian” prize. While the website does articulate the most consistent and principled antiwar stance, even its self-described libertarians fall far short of consistent libertarianism: Ron Paul’s positions on immigration, free trade, gays in the military, gay marriage and abortion instantly come to mind.

]]> By: Sayin' It Like It Is http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3750 Sayin' It Like It Is Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:38:44 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3750 Matt: Perhaps I am being a bit hasty in saying "You ALL Suck" to "Treason." I do like Jesse Walker. Perhaps I should modify that to say "Most of You Suck." Matt: Perhaps I am being a bit hasty in saying “You ALL Suck” to “Treason.” I do like Jesse Walker. Perhaps I should modify that to say “Most of You Suck.”

]]> By: Matt Barganier http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3747 Matt Barganier Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:13:55 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3747 <em>Message to the staff and publishers of “Treason” magazine: YOU ALL SUCK.</em> That's a mighty big brush you're waving around there. <em>Reason</em> is a mixed bag. Rauch (who, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't even pretend to be a libertarian, neo- or otherwise) is a boring centrist in the David Broder mode. Gillespie runs his stuff in a bid for Beltway respectability. Cathy Young, Michael Young, and Michael Moynihan are thoroughly awful; Jesse Walker, Brian Doherty, and David Weigel are very good; the others have their moments. <em>Look, if we didn’t have Reason magazine who would be there to push for the legalization of methamphetamines and the other important issues of our times?</em> What's wrong with calling for an end to the War on Drugs? <em>Reason</em>'s priorities are generally out of whack, I'll agree, but they're right to call for repealing laws against victimless "crimes." Message to the staff and publishers of “Treason” magazine: YOU ALL SUCK.

That’s a mighty big brush you’re waving around there. Reason is a mixed bag. Rauch (who, to the best of my knowledge, doesn’t even pretend to be a libertarian, neo- or otherwise) is a boring centrist in the David Broder mode. Gillespie runs his stuff in a bid for Beltway respectability. Cathy Young, Michael Young, and Michael Moynihan are thoroughly awful; Jesse Walker, Brian Doherty, and David Weigel are very good; the others have their moments.

Look, if we didn’t have Reason magazine who would be there to push for the legalization of methamphetamines and the other important issues of our times?

What’s wrong with calling for an end to the War on Drugs? Reason’s priorities are generally out of whack, I’ll agree, but they’re right to call for repealing laws against victimless “crimes.”

]]> By: Herb Schaffler http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3746 Herb Schaffler Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:08:38 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/11/what-does-this-have-to-do-with-libertarianism/#comment-3746 A better monthly libertarian magazine is "Liberty". A better monthly libertarian magazine is “Liberty”.

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