Comments on: Will US Attack Iran? Hersh, Kolko Weigh In http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/ Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:54:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: klip http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-28064 klip Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:12:32 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-28064 very very nice information thanks.. realy nice blog.i will come every time here.thankss.. very very nice information thanks..
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]]> By: Tim R. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10286 Tim R. Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:52:12 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10286 How can you talk about the "complete nullification of the Constitution?" If the Constitution has been completely nullified how do you have the freedom of speech to lambaste the United States on this blog? If the Constitution has been nullifed how do you and the anti-war crowd have the freedom of speech and assembly to have large protests? I think you should stop the hyperbole, it is not helpful. And why can't more people study history, Lincoln suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War, but yet our nation, and our Constitution are still here! Lincoln would make Bush look very mild by comparison. If you study Constitutional law and history, you will see that the powers of government tend to increase during war-time. The rationale being that a nation's pirmary duty is to protect its citizens from attack. How can you talk about the “complete nullification of the Constitution?” If the Constitution has been completely nullified how do you have the freedom of speech to lambaste the United States on this blog? If the Constitution has been nullifed how do you and the anti-war crowd have the freedom of speech and assembly to have large protests? I think you should stop the hyperbole, it is not helpful.

And why can’t more people study history, Lincoln suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War, but yet our nation, and our Constitution are still here! Lincoln would make Bush look very mild by comparison. If you study Constitutional law and history, you will see that the powers of government tend to increase during war-time. The rationale being that a nation’s pirmary duty is to protect its citizens from attack.

]]> By: Binh http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10186 Binh Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:41:02 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10186 I stand corrected on point 1. In any case, if it's a case of short-term/medium-term economic loss vs. controlling the world's energy supply (he who controls the oil, controls the world), then we should be clear about what choice Bush will make there. Bourgeois Lib wrote in response to me: <i>Slight correction here. The Israelis do have F-15 long range fighters and airborne tankers, giving them an air-to-air refueling capability. So it’s not technically impossible for the IAF to hit targets in Iran.</i> They have refuelling capability but they'd have to refuel twice over Iraqi/Saudi airspace to get there and back. Furthermore, the nuclear sites are deep underground and the munitions their American-made fighters carry cannot really do a lot of damage to them (I'm assuming they won't use nuclear weapons). To carry out a semi-effective strike they need B52s, B2s, and F-117 stealth bombers and only Uncle Sam has those. Also, Iran is pretty mountainous, which would eat up quite a bit of fuel flying under the radar. Lastly, the IAF does not have enough tankers to refuel their entire AF which would be necessary to take out the air defense systems that surround their nuclear reactors and government buildings. This is why I say the IAF won't play any significant role in the attack on Iran. Too many logistical and political hurdles to overcome. I stand corrected on point 1. In any case, if it’s a case of short-term/medium-term economic loss vs. controlling the world’s energy supply (he who controls the oil, controls the world), then we should be clear about what choice Bush will make there.

Bourgeois Lib wrote in response to me: Slight correction here. The Israelis do have F-15 long range fighters and airborne tankers, giving them an air-to-air refueling capability. So it’s not technically impossible for the IAF to hit targets in Iran.

They have refuelling capability but they’d have to refuel twice over Iraqi/Saudi airspace to get there and back. Furthermore, the nuclear sites are deep underground and the munitions their American-made fighters carry cannot really do a lot of damage to them (I’m assuming they won’t use nuclear weapons). To carry out a semi-effective strike they need B52s, B2s, and F-117 stealth bombers and only Uncle Sam has those.

Also, Iran is pretty mountainous, which would eat up quite a bit of fuel flying under the radar. Lastly, the IAF does not have enough tankers to refuel their entire AF which would be necessary to take out the air defense systems that surround their nuclear reactors and government buildings.

This is why I say the IAF won’t play any significant role in the attack on Iran. Too many logistical and political hurdles to overcome.

]]> By: Alan MacDonald http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10136 Alan MacDonald Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:17:38 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10136 Unfortunately, Kolko's #5 (senior military resistance/revolt) is the only possible check on the Empire's war plans. I had long ago concluded that Democrat and US public resistance would be a non-issue against preemptive (and nuclear) expansion of the Empire's oil-war from Iraq to Iran. I had long ago concluded that the only "hope was in the Generals" But now the global corporate fascist war Empire behind this facade of "Vichy America" has even thrown out the last defense of the "Generals" (including Peter Pace, who aborted the Feb 2007 war launch plan) --- and brought in their own War Admiral, "Mad Dog" Mullen. There is no question that military revolts have been the only thing standing in the way of the Empire's planned nuclear war in Iran. In fact, there have already been several military revolts, starting with Pace's clear instructions to his senior officers that they are "not to carry out illegal and/or immoral orders" in February --- which stopped the Empire's first planned war launch, and predictably got him removed by the Empire as Jont Chief's Chairmam --- right up to the latest military revolt, just recently, to abort Cheney's planned B-52, ACM/W-80 nuclear bomb 'accidental strike'. However, not with standing Cheney's premature ejaculation of nuke cruise missiles on the aborted B-52 scam the Empire will not have long to wait now in launching their long planned global strike preemptive attack on Iran with the cover of entirely legal means --- thanks to the installation by the Empire of their preferred nuclear spear carriers, Admiral Mullen and his spacebot bomber side-kick, StratCom "Ripper" Cartwright. Aided and politically endorsed by the AIPAC greased US Senate passage of the "Attack Iran Now" sense of the Senate vote last week!! Note, for those who do not remember (including the MSM from their own reporting) Admiral "quick trigger' Mullen is the one, who as CNO during the Iran/British seaman capture dust-up, infamously growled that "if that had happened to my sailors there would have been shots fired --- even if it started a war". Perhaps that was the cameo role and performance that earned Admiral "war starter' Mullen his new 'stripes'. Unfortunately, Kolko’s #5 (senior military resistance/revolt) is the only possible check on the Empire’s war plans.

I had long ago concluded that Democrat and US public resistance would be a non-issue against preemptive (and nuclear) expansion of the Empire’s oil-war from Iraq to Iran.

I had long ago concluded that the only “hope was in the Generals”

But now the global corporate fascist war Empire behind this facade of “Vichy America” has even thrown out the last defense of the “Generals” (including Peter Pace, who aborted the Feb 2007 war launch plan) — and brought in their own War Admiral, “Mad Dog” Mullen.

There is no question that military revolts have been the only thing standing in the way of the Empire’s planned nuclear war in Iran. In fact, there have already been several military revolts, starting with Pace’s clear instructions to his senior officers that they are “not to carry out illegal and/or immoral orders” in February — which stopped the Empire’s first planned war launch, and predictably got him removed by the Empire as Jont Chief’s Chairmam — right up to the latest military revolt, just recently, to abort Cheney’s planned B-52, ACM/W-80 nuclear bomb ‘accidental strike’.

However, not with standing Cheney’s premature ejaculation of nuke cruise missiles on the aborted B-52 scam the Empire will not have long to wait now in launching their long planned global strike preemptive attack on Iran with the cover of entirely legal means — thanks to the installation by the Empire of their preferred nuclear spear carriers, Admiral Mullen and his spacebot bomber side-kick, StratCom “Ripper” Cartwright. Aided and politically endorsed by the AIPAC greased US Senate passage of the “Attack Iran Now” sense of the Senate vote last week!!

Note, for those who do not remember (including the MSM from their own reporting) Admiral “quick trigger’ Mullen is the one, who as CNO during the Iran/British seaman capture dust-up, infamously growled that “if that had happened to my sailors there would have been shots fired — even if it started a war”.

Perhaps that was the cameo role and performance that earned Admiral “war starter’ Mullen his new ’stripes’.

]]> By: John Lowell http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10133 John Lowell Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:57:31 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10133 Bourgeois Liberal, "After all, from the Israeli perspective that’s what the US is for, to carry out Israeli policy without risking any Israeli lives." Yes, it would seem so, wouldn't it? But while considered a "friend" and, therefore, blameworthy in having such a perspective at all, have they not been taught over the years that there is virtually no limit to what we will tolerate from them? I recall once having an e-mail exchange with Gary Bauer, one time Republican presidential candidate, and among those currently leading ReichsChurch support for a confrontation with Iran, asking him for a satisfactory explanation of the Pollard episode. Oh, everybody does it, he offered. Perhaps Bauer and those like him with similar viewpoints ought to be to be tried for espionage along with Rosen and Weissman next January. John Lowell Bourgeois Liberal,

“After all, from the Israeli perspective that’s what the US is for, to carry out Israeli policy without risking any Israeli lives.”

Yes, it would seem so, wouldn’t it? But while considered a “friend” and, therefore, blameworthy in having such a perspective at all, have they not been taught over the years that there is virtually no limit to what we will tolerate from them? I recall once having an e-mail exchange with Gary Bauer, one time Republican presidential candidate, and among those currently leading ReichsChurch support for a confrontation with Iran, asking him for a satisfactory explanation of the Pollard episode. Oh, everybody does it, he offered. Perhaps Bauer and those like him with similar viewpoints ought to be to be tried for espionage along with Rosen and Weissman next January.

John Lowell

]]> By: Matt Barganier http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10129 Matt Barganier Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:47:14 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10129 No, it was correspondence sent to us at Antiwar.com. No, it was correspondence sent to us at Antiwar.com.

]]> By: Matt Barganier http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10128 Matt Barganier Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:46:51 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10128 Kolko "might as well be a Holocaust denier" because he's skeptical that something will happen in the future? That would be an outrageous libel if it weren't so nonsensical. Seriously, people, think before you type. Kolko “might as well be a Holocaust denier” because he’s skeptical that something will happen in the future? That would be an outrageous libel if it weren’t so nonsensical.

Seriously, people, think before you type.

]]> By: Kian Kiani http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10117 Kian Kiani Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:21:55 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10117 Voice of America and Fiasco at Persian Service. Millions of dollars are spent in Persian Service of Voice of America but the end result is nothing but scandalous way of cockamamie management and programming. It is hard to believe but the Persian Service which supposed to be an organization to convey the policy of the U.S. has become a free platform for hard-line terrorist group of communists who attack the United Sates! I have the documents in writings to prove that these were done with the full knowledge of the management. I used to work there and as I said before, I have all the documents in writings. The manager is a woman called Sheila Gandji who can not read and write Persian. Therefore, in order to hide this shortcoming from the higher management, she has hired an eighty something man called Kambiz Mahmoudi who has a lengthy background as crook and in charlatanism. You expect a doctor to be in charge of a medical clinic. You expect an engineer to be in charge of an engineering department. You expect a plumber to fix your plumbing. So why do you expect a person who has no education in Iran and doesn't know the language of that country should be in charge of publicity, literature or politic for such position? Sheila Gandji falsely pretended and presented herself as educated with background in journalism. These are absolute fabrications. Nobody in Iranian communities inside of the country or outside has any knowledge about her being a journalist, then and now. Her partner, Kambiz Mahmoudi is a hateful and despicable person whose activities as crook are widely known through out Iran. Can't the U.S. government appoint somebody without such shameful background and baggage? Don’t think that this is a personal vendetta. Let me quote you a view from another media: "The Iran Steering group concluded that much of the anti-American perspective that is broadcast is the result of decisions made by station managers in Washington D.C. and Prague. Sheila Gandji, the manager of Persian service has faced sharp criticism, particularly for her decision to stop VOA shortwave radio program in July, 2006 in order to focus on television broadcasts, which are more susceptible to censorship, since the government regularly confiscates satellites dishes in order to prevent the infiltration of foreign broadcasts." This is not the only one. The mismanagement at the Persian Service of Voice of America is the subject of hundreds of sites and articles indicative of disgusts and ridicules in the world about VOA. The bizarre situation at the Persian Service of Voice of America caused even the Republican Senator Coburn to write a long letter to President Bush about the fiasco there. It is only in America where the government pays to be insulted. Really, why Voice of America is doing this harm to our nation? Voice of America and Fiasco at Persian Service.
Millions of dollars are spent in Persian Service of Voice of America but the end result is nothing but scandalous way of cockamamie management and programming.
It is hard to believe but the Persian Service which supposed to be an organization to convey the policy of the U.S. has become a free platform for hard-line terrorist group of communists who attack the United Sates!
I have the documents in writings to prove that these were done with the full knowledge of the management.
I used to work there and as I said before, I have all the documents in writings.
The manager is a woman called Sheila Gandji who can not read and write Persian. Therefore, in order to hide this shortcoming from the higher management, she has hired an eighty something man called Kambiz Mahmoudi who has a lengthy background as crook and in charlatanism.
You expect a doctor to be in charge of a medical clinic. You expect an engineer to be in charge of an engineering department. You expect a plumber to fix your plumbing.
So why do you expect a person who has no education in Iran and doesn’t know the language of that country should be in charge of publicity, literature or politic for such position?
Sheila Gandji falsely pretended and presented herself as educated with background in journalism. These are absolute fabrications. Nobody in Iranian communities inside of the country or outside has any knowledge about her being a journalist, then and now.
Her partner, Kambiz Mahmoudi is a hateful and despicable person whose activities as crook are widely known through out Iran. Can’t the U.S. government appoint somebody without such shameful background and baggage?
Don’t think that this is a personal vendetta.
Let me quote you a view from another media:
“The Iran Steering group concluded that much of the anti-American perspective that is broadcast is the result of decisions made by station managers in Washington D.C. and Prague. Sheila Gandji, the manager of Persian service has faced sharp criticism, particularly for her decision to stop VOA shortwave radio program in July, 2006 in order to focus on television broadcasts, which are more susceptible to censorship, since the government regularly confiscates satellites dishes in order to prevent the infiltration of foreign broadcasts.”
This is not the only one. The mismanagement at the Persian Service of Voice of America is the subject of hundreds of sites and articles indicative of disgusts and ridicules in the world about VOA.
The bizarre situation at the Persian Service of Voice of America caused even the Republican Senator Coburn to write a long letter to President Bush about the fiasco there.
It is only in America where the government pays to be insulted. Really, why Voice of America is doing this harm to our nation?

]]> By: Alan Bickley http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10111 Alan Bickley Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:40:32 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10111 American forces did not invade the "whole of Europe" in WW Two. They advanced to a line well east of Germany's western frontier, but did so with comparative ease only because of the Russian offensive in the east. American forces did not invade the “whole of Europe” in WW Two. They advanced to a line well east of Germany’s western frontier, but did so with comparative ease only because of the Russian offensive in the east.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10110 Anonymous Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:31:07 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10110 This whole debate is what the 'Chaney crew' is trying to initiate. By discussing these issues in the current manner, we are providing them with valuable 'market research', which I bet they will exploit at the moment the first bomb falls on Iran (because Iran WILL be attacked). This is in fact the beauty of the NeoCon approach. By discussing their misinformation openly, we provide them with arguments to be countered when the war starts. By not discussing this, we allow them a blank check to attack Iran. As things stand in the US at this moment (with the complete nullification of the constitution), there is no option for the people who don't want war. The checks and balances have been removed from the equation and all we are left with are some racists, megalomaniac and not 100% sane people in ABSOLUTE power. It's ironic that the people who were the vanguard of fighting Soviet-fascism have converted US into the new Soviet, controlled by one 'party' of lunatics. And on 'How to stop the war' ... it's a bit too late and not possible anymore. If US wanted peace, then they shouldn't have voted for 'God-told-me-to-go-to-war'. What were you expecting with rhetoric like that? Nelson Mandela? This whole debate is what the ‘Chaney crew’ is trying to initiate. By discussing these issues in the current manner, we are providing them with valuable ‘market research’, which I bet they will exploit at the moment the first bomb falls on Iran (because Iran WILL be attacked).
This is in fact the beauty of the NeoCon approach. By discussing their misinformation openly, we provide them with arguments to be countered when the war starts. By not discussing this, we allow them a blank check to attack Iran.
As things stand in the US at this moment (with the complete nullification of the constitution), there is no option for the people who don’t want war. The checks and balances have been removed from the equation and all we are left with are some racists, megalomaniac and not 100% sane people in ABSOLUTE power.
It’s ironic that the people who were the vanguard of fighting Soviet-fascism have converted US into the new Soviet, controlled by one ‘party’ of lunatics.
And on ‘How to stop the war’ … it’s a bit too late and not possible anymore. If US wanted peace, then they shouldn’t have voted for ‘God-told-me-to-go-to-war’. What were you expecting with rhetoric like that? Nelson Mandela?

]]> By: Bourgeois Liberal http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10100 Bourgeois Liberal Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:29:28 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10100 <i>Israel will not participate in any meaningful way due to the enormous political and logistical difficulties. Plus they have no bombers, only fighters.</i> Slight correction here. The Israelis do have F-15 long range fighters and airborne tankers, giving them an air-to-air refueling capability. So it's not technically impossible for the IAF to hit targets in Iran. But I doubt that they would do so anyway. After all, from the Israeli perspective that's what the US is for, to carry out Israeli policy without risking any Israeli lives. Israel will not participate in any meaningful way due to the enormous political and logistical difficulties. Plus they have no bombers, only fighters.

Slight correction here. The Israelis do have F-15 long range fighters and airborne tankers, giving them an air-to-air refueling capability. So it’s not technically impossible for the IAF to hit targets in Iran. But I doubt that they would do so anyway. After all, from the Israeli perspective that’s what the US is for, to carry out Israeli policy without risking any Israeli lives.

]]> By: marc http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10094 marc Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:40:56 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/09/30/will-us-attack-iran-hersh-kolko-weigh-in/#comment-10094 is Kolko's article available somewhere ? Anyone knows ? is Kolko’s article available somewhere ? Anyone knows ?

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