Comments on: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Restore the Constitution http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:16:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Colonel_Khadafis_Fried_Chadian http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-17786 Colonel_Khadafis_Fried_Chadian Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:54:01 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-17786 The only islamic terrorist group that attacked us are or own children, Al Qaeda. We had our chances to capture them and even in Afghanistan we came close to capture Bin but Bush decided that nation building was more important instead.Wy Should we fight everybodys fight by eradicating all the islamic terrorism in the word (its inconvievable that this can ever by achieved by anyone ever) further clearing the path for Bin and enabling Al Qaeda terrorism? The only islamic terrorist group that attacked us are or own children, Al Qaeda. We had our chances to capture them and even in Afghanistan we came close to capture Bin but Bush decided that nation building was more important instead.Wy Should we fight everybodys fight by eradicating all the islamic terrorism in the word (its inconvievable that this can ever by achieved by anyone ever) further clearing the path for Bin and enabling Al Qaeda terrorism?

]]> By: Tim R. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16942 Tim R. Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:49:34 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16942 R. Nelson, Okay, maybe Iraq was a poor choice. But if we pull all our troops out of Iraq would you be willing to vote for a declaration of war against Saudi Arabia? After all 15 of the 19 hijacker came from there. I would be in favor of that. Its not good enough to just be against the war in Iraq. What alternative do you propose? And yes, we have to have a policy of containment against terrorist nations everywhere. And your point about Ireland is not well taken. The war against terror we are fighing is actually a war against ISLAMIC terror. That is what we are fighting and therein lies the danger to us. R. Nelson,

Okay, maybe Iraq was a poor choice. But if we pull all our troops out of Iraq would you be willing to vote for a declaration of war against Saudi Arabia? After all 15 of the 19 hijacker came from there. I would be in favor of that. Its not good enough to just be against the war in Iraq. What alternative do you propose? And yes, we have to have a policy of containment against terrorist nations everywhere. And your point about Ireland is not well taken. The war against terror we are fighing is actually a war against ISLAMIC terror. That is what we are fighting and therein lies the danger to us.

]]> By: John Lowell http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16598 John Lowell Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:49:33 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16598 These guys are absolutely shameless! Anyone who values his or her baptism will feel thoroughly slimed by what McCain has in prospect. And its not just him, its virtually the whole array of presidential candidates and their phoney religiosity, whether its the leftish, cafeteria Christianity of an Obama or a Clinton, the ReichsChurch variety of McCain or a Huckaby, or some combination thereof a la Giuliani. Most of what passes for faith in publc life these days is its corruption into a rather tawdry ideology anyway. Even to be close to American politics seems to leave's an unmistakeable - and soiling - imprint upon the beliefs of those so exposed. The example of Fr. Richard Neuhaus, unable to find voice to oppose the hideous stem-cell compromise of the Bush Administration in 2001, or James Dobson, who has succeeded almost single handedly in converting Evangelical Christianity into an interest group, are instructive. A properly held conception of the relation of nature and grace can bring cleansing from contamination of this kind but few are those that would seek it out so it seems. John Lowell These guys are absolutely shameless! Anyone who values his or her baptism will feel thoroughly slimed by what McCain has in prospect. And its not just him, its virtually the whole array of presidential candidates and their phoney religiosity, whether its the leftish, cafeteria Christianity of an Obama or a Clinton, the ReichsChurch variety of McCain or a Huckaby, or some combination thereof a la Giuliani.

Most of what passes for faith in publc life these days is its corruption into a rather tawdry ideology anyway. Even to be close to American politics seems to leave’s an unmistakeable - and soiling - imprint upon the beliefs of those so exposed. The example of Fr. Richard Neuhaus, unable to find voice to oppose the hideous stem-cell compromise of the Bush Administration in 2001, or James Dobson, who has succeeded almost single handedly in converting Evangelical Christianity into an interest group, are instructive. A properly held conception of the relation of nature and grace can bring cleansing from contamination of this kind but few are those that would seek it out so it seems.

John Lowell

]]> By: R. Nelson http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16529 R. Nelson Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:03:57 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16529 What the hayell are you saying? If terrorism anywhere is a threat to America, why didn't we make war against Northern Ireland? Because,inter alia, it posed no threat to us. Maybe Israel had a beef with Iraq giving money to Palestinian terrorist families; we sure had no dog in that fight. I'll say it again. It's just plain evil to attack a country that is no threat to us and cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians. And you sink your own case when you note that even had we not entered Iraq the terrorists would still have it in for us. Then why the devil did we go in, and why the devil are we still there? What the hayell are you saying? If terrorism anywhere is a threat to America, why didn’t we make war against Northern Ireland? Because,inter alia, it posed no threat to us. Maybe Israel had a beef with Iraq giving money to Palestinian terrorist families; we sure had no dog in that fight.

I’ll say it again. It’s just plain evil to attack a country that is no threat to us and cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians. And you sink your own case when you note that even had we not entered Iraq the terrorists would still have it in for us. Then why the devil did we go in, and why the devil are we still there?

]]> By: Colonel_Khadafis_Fried_Chadian http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16355 Colonel_Khadafis_Fried_Chadian Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:19:23 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16355 Iraq did not support radical Islam. Just a couple of terrorist groups like Abu Nidal who where anti Israel, a strictly political question and some who were not religious at all like Carlos the Jackal. Iraq did not support radical Islam. Just a couple of terrorist groups like Abu Nidal who where anti Israel, a strictly political question and some who were not religious at all like Carlos the Jackal.

]]> By: Tim R. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16332 Tim R. Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:43:30 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16332 That is true, if you look at Iraq as existing in a vacum. We were indeed attacked by radical Islam. Any country, inlcuding Iraq, that supports terrorism in any way ought to be looked at as a clear and present danger to the United States. Bush may very well have made a poor choice by strking at Iraq. But the war in Iraq is not the whole story. You are "missing the forest for the trees." Iraq is just part of a wider war. When we got attacked on 911 we were not in Iraq and if we pulled out every last solider tomorrow (and who knows maybe we should) it would not stop the Islamic terrorists and they would not be satisfied. Iraq is only a small part of the picture. The real issue is the danger posed by radical Islam and the nations that support terrorism based on it. That is true, if you look at Iraq as existing in a vacum. We were indeed attacked by radical Islam. Any country, inlcuding Iraq, that supports terrorism in any way ought to be looked at as a clear and present danger to the United States. Bush may very well have made a poor choice by strking at Iraq. But the war in Iraq is not the whole story. You are “missing the forest for the trees.” Iraq is just part of a wider war. When we got attacked on 911 we were not in Iraq and if we pulled out every last solider tomorrow (and who knows maybe we should) it would not stop the Islamic terrorists and they would not be satisfied. Iraq is only a small part of the picture. The real issue is the danger posed by radical Islam and the nations that support terrorism based on it.

]]> By: R. Nelson http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16294 R. Nelson Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:23:50 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16294 So you damn Bush with faint praise by comparing him to worse abusers such as Lincoln and Roosevelt? Ay caramba. Even this approach doesn't work. At least one can facially argue that Lincoln had to deal with the crisis of the house divided and civil war; that Roosevelt crossed swords with a premier military power; but Bush...aggressed against a country that never even threatened us, thus doing exactly what the Nazis were condemned of doing at the Nuremberg trials. You certainly have a way with history, Timmerman. So you damn Bush with faint praise by comparing him to worse abusers such as Lincoln and Roosevelt? Ay caramba. Even this approach doesn’t work. At least one can facially argue that Lincoln had to deal with the crisis of the house divided and civil war; that Roosevelt crossed swords with a premier military power; but Bush…aggressed against a country that never even threatened us, thus doing exactly what the Nazis were condemned of doing at the Nuremberg trials.

You certainly have a way with history, Timmerman.

]]> By: Tim R. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16217 Tim R. Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:08:44 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16217 Do you all know that in times of national emergencies, such as wars, other administrations have taken much more drastic action than President Bush? President Lincoln did things that would make Bush look mild by comparision. Lincoln locked up newspaper editors. And he suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus. Incidentally, he suspended it without the consent of Congress. FDR put thousands of Japanese American citizens in detention camps because he believed it was necessary for our national security. His actions were later upheld by the United States Supreme Court in the Korematsu decision. Yet, everyone around here acts like Bush has gone too far. Maybe he has not gone far enough? By comparision Lincoln and Rooslevelt went much further. His actions certainly have historical presedence. We have Islamic terrorists who want nothing better than to get their hands on chemical, nuclear or biological weapons and kill as many millions of Americans as they can. And yet we are not supposed to take action to defend ourselves? Give me a break. Do you all know that in times of national emergencies, such as wars, other administrations have taken much more drastic action than President Bush?

President Lincoln did things that would make Bush look mild by comparision. Lincoln locked up newspaper editors. And he suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus. Incidentally, he suspended it without the consent of Congress.

FDR put thousands of Japanese American citizens in detention camps because he believed it was necessary for our national security. His actions were later upheld by the United States Supreme Court in the Korematsu decision.

Yet, everyone around here acts like Bush has gone too far. Maybe he has not gone far enough? By comparision Lincoln and Rooslevelt went much further. His actions certainly have historical presedence. We have Islamic terrorists who want nothing better than to get their hands on chemical, nuclear or biological weapons and kill as many millions of Americans as they can. And yet we are not supposed to take action to defend ourselves? Give me a break.

]]> By: john http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16146 john Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:42:52 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16146 I agree, Jack. Given the assistance of a like minded Congress, we could see a tremendous change in America. The problem, however, is getting that like minded Congress elected. Ron Paul, if he were to be elected President, would face open hostility and derision from the spineless bastards that make up our current congress, and nothing would change. And how long would we have to wait before the Quislings in the Congress, bought and paid for by the defense industry and AIPAC, etc., used to Big Lie to defame a President Paul and impeached and convicted him of some conjured crime? I am normally optimistic. In this dark time, optimism is at hard to come by. I feel helpless as our nation and our government dance with a fascist future. I agree, Jack. Given the assistance of a like minded Congress, we could see a tremendous change in America. The problem, however, is getting that like minded Congress elected. Ron Paul, if he were to be elected President, would face open hostility and derision from the spineless bastards that make up our current congress, and nothing would change. And how long would we have to wait before the Quislings in the Congress, bought and paid for by the defense industry and AIPAC, etc., used to Big Lie to defame a President Paul and impeached and convicted him of some conjured crime?
I am normally optimistic. In this dark time, optimism is at hard to come by. I feel helpless as our nation and our government dance with a fascist future.

]]> By: subHuman http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16081 subHuman Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:53:56 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-16081 It is called freedom, democracy and liberties with consequences. It is a social order imported from Motherlands and Fatherlands. It is called freedom, democracy and liberties with consequences.

It is a social order imported from Motherlands and Fatherlands.

]]> By: JamJr http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-15842 JamJr Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:41:41 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-15842 Ron Paul has been in our Congress for years and the Washington bunch never knew a gold nugget or diamond rock when they heard it. The Ron Paul record has proved over the years that he is an American first and his affilliation with any party will be a plus for America. The problem today is that Washington is too interested in getting dollars to recognize the gold or diamond in their midst. Us poor folks are not blinded by dollars preventing us from recognizing the integrity of Ron Paul. When this integrity is allowed to be seen it will over shadow what we see in the Presidential race. The News Media seems to obviously be dedicated to the Quarter Backs of Washington to the planned oblivion of Ron Paul. We will remember all these smerk tatics if we get to vote. Ron Paul has been in our Congress for years and the Washington bunch never knew a gold nugget or diamond rock when they heard it.
The Ron Paul record has proved over the years that he is an American first and his affilliation with any party will be a plus for America.
The problem today is that Washington is too interested in getting dollars to recognize the gold or diamond in their midst.
Us poor folks are not blinded by dollars preventing us from recognizing the integrity of Ron Paul. When this integrity is allowed to be seen it will over shadow what we see in the Presidential race.
The News Media seems to obviously be dedicated to the Quarter Backs of Washington to the planned oblivion of Ron Paul.
We will remember all these smerk tatics if we get to vote.

]]> By: kirstjen http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-15830 kirstjen Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:15:15 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/20/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-restore-the-constitution/#comment-15830 The dems version of this bill is the American Freedom Campaign. They are very similar... I think conservatives & liberals alike should be behind these pieces of legislation. As for McCain, it certainly appears that he will do ANYTHING to win votes. He is now talking with his pastor about a "full-immersion baptism" in order to win the "christian" vote. What a circus! The dems version of this bill is the American Freedom Campaign. They are very similar… I think conservatives & liberals alike should be behind these pieces of legislation. As for McCain, it certainly appears that he will do ANYTHING to win votes. He is now talking with his pastor about a “full-immersion baptism” in order to win the “christian” vote. What a circus!

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