Comments on: Christ or Caesar? http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/ Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:12:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Jeremy Sapienza http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-22342 Jeremy Sapienza Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:32:41 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-22342 "Bobbing and weaving"? I simply pointed out the massive flaw in your response to me. It was a nearly complete non sequitur. It's typical of the kind of arguments the insane ("religious people") make. I do not see a reason to answer your question, since it is completely irrelevant to the discussion, and is ridiculous, besides. I can tell you, though, that Christianity is not a "programme for peace." *chuckle* “Bobbing and weaving”? I simply pointed out the massive flaw in your response to me. It was a nearly complete non sequitur. It’s typical of the kind of arguments the insane (”religious people”) make.

I do not see a reason to answer your question, since it is completely irrelevant to the discussion, and is ridiculous, besides. I can tell you, though, that Christianity is not a “programme for peace.”

*chuckle*

]]> By: Tim R. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-19870 Tim R. Sat, 03 Nov 2007 05:18:40 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-19870 As someone who is not a Christian but deeply admires the teachings of Jesus, would someone with more knowledge tell me whether or not they think Jesus would ever be in favor of any war? From everything he said it seems he was all about peace and love under all circumstances. Even a defensive war involves violance, would Jesus have been in favor of it? As someone who is not a Christian but deeply admires the teachings of Jesus, would someone with more knowledge tell me whether or not they think Jesus would ever be in favor of any war? From everything he said it seems he was all about peace and love under all circumstances. Even a defensive war involves violance, would Jesus have been in favor of it?

]]> By: Tim R. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-19868 Tim R. Sat, 03 Nov 2007 05:15:20 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-19868 Mr. Lowell: How would you then respond to the charges raised by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen in his well known book, "Hitler's Willing Executioner's" Your saying the ingrained anti-semitism propagated over centuries by many Protestan and Catholic church leaders had nothing to do with it? Mr. Lowell: How would you then respond to the charges raised by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen in his well known book, “Hitler’s Willing Executioner’s” Your saying the ingrained anti-semitism propagated over centuries by many Protestan and Catholic church leaders had nothing to do with it?

]]> By: Brian http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-19662 Brian Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:20:56 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-19662 You engage in ad hominem attacks and insist that only people who have "academic credentials" can speak to these issues. This argument is piffle. If you can provide clear documentation that Naziism is a purely "secular" and "rational" belief system with no basis in arcane religious or philosophical or mythical beliefs, then have at it. They certainly used such beliefs. Of course, in your world view, the Nuremburg rallies and all the party symbols and regalia were purely secular and rational things. You engage in ad hominem attacks and insist that only people who have “academic credentials” can speak to these issues. This argument is piffle. If you can provide clear documentation that Naziism is a purely “secular” and “rational” belief system with no basis in arcane religious or philosophical or mythical beliefs, then have at it. They certainly used such beliefs. Of course, in your world view, the Nuremburg rallies and all the party symbols and regalia were purely secular and rational things.

]]> By: Cathryn L http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-19278 Cathryn L Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:08:07 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-19278 I can appreciate your claim to be a Christian; however, I do not agree with your assumption that America's involvement in the Iraq War is in disharmony with being Christian-like. You say that you want no part of the evil America is undergoing in the war. Ironically, the Bible teaches of Christian wars. Jesus Christ sacrificed his own life and died out of love--to save people.. America is fighting against groups who intentionally want to harm innocent people? America did not go to war for evil reasons of killing soldiers and innocent people. America went to war to protect its innocent, even Christian people. I can appreciate your claim to be a Christian; however, I do not agree with your assumption that America’s involvement in the Iraq War is in disharmony with being Christian-like. You say that you want no part of the evil America is undergoing in the war. Ironically, the Bible teaches of Christian wars. Jesus Christ sacrificed his own life and died out of love–to save people.. America is fighting against groups who intentionally want to harm innocent people? America did not go to war for evil reasons of killing soldiers and innocent people. America went to war to protect its innocent, even Christian people.

]]> By: John Lowell http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18998 John Lowell Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:02:59 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18998 Brian, You make deprecating comments about my knowledge of the history and nature of National Socialism. I point to my academic background in the subject and ask you for yours. With nothing of your own to bring to the table in this connection, you then attempt to recover the resulting lost sense of yourself by denegrating the background to which I'd pointed. A little advice for you, chief: The next time you get your big mouth in gear make sure you can support what you have to say. Right now you're a badly discredited waste of my time. John Lowell Brian,

You make deprecating comments about my knowledge of the history and nature of National Socialism. I point to my academic background in the subject and ask you for yours. With nothing of your own to bring to the table in this connection, you then attempt to recover the resulting lost sense of yourself by denegrating the background to which I’d pointed. A little advice for you, chief: The next time you get your big mouth in gear make sure you can support what you have to say. Right now you’re a badly discredited waste of my time.

John Lowell

]]> By: katie http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18882 katie Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:48:40 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18882 I do not agree. I do not agree.

]]> By: Grateful Iraqi http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18681 Grateful Iraqi Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:17:24 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18681 Oh thank you America for completely destroying our country, our rule of law and way of life! Every day that I awaken in a nation run by corrupt tribal chieftains and overrun with gunmen, rapists and bandits, I thank Allah for America and America's soldiers who have so graciously provided all of this to me and my fellow Iraqis! I understand and approve of brave innocent American soldiers leaving food and valuables in streets and then shooting anyone who dares pick them up. You are culling our population of undesirables, and what people don't like being treated like subhuman cattle? Your understanding of our primitive culture is admirable. In fact, I hear that the Resistance is so grateful that they plan to disband, ASAP. Again, thank you for risking your lives for the sake of people from an entirely different culture. It's mighty white of you, I must say! Oh thank you America for completely destroying our country, our rule of law and way of life! Every day that I awaken in a nation run by corrupt tribal chieftains and overrun with gunmen, rapists and bandits, I thank Allah for America and America’s soldiers who have so graciously provided all of this to me and my fellow Iraqis! I understand and approve of brave innocent American soldiers leaving food and valuables in streets and then shooting anyone who dares pick them up. You are culling our population of undesirables, and what people don’t like being treated like subhuman cattle? Your understanding of our primitive culture is admirable. In fact, I hear that the Resistance is so grateful that they plan to disband, ASAP. Again, thank you for risking your lives for the sake of people from an entirely different culture. It’s mighty white of you, I must say!

]]> By: Oebe NL http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18674 Oebe NL Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:02:08 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18674 Question answered. For Ceasar it is then Sarah P. Question answered. For Ceasar it is then Sarah P.

]]> By: Brian http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18652 Brian Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:29:08 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18652 The Fatima Mansions summed it up pretty well ten years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F45rYQnaN5A The Fatima Mansions summed it up pretty well ten years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F45rYQnaN5A

]]> By: Brian http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18651 Brian Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:28:12 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18651 Mr. Lowell: Your academic credentials are utterly meaningless if you can with a straight face claim that the Nazis were a secular, rational state. After all, there are people teaching in American universities that beleive the earth is 6,000 years old. Or that there is a Jewish cabal that rules the world. Some of these people even have "history" degrees. Sarah P: Oh goodie. Another "it's the mainstream media that makes us think the Iraq War is going badly" troll. I'm sure the residents of Fallujah, among others, are happy about the "difference" and "help" the American military are providing them! Especially given their opportunity to be proselytized by the bringers of The Truth like graduates of this Virginia Madrassa. It's amazing how similar the two sides are. After all, the Taliban just wanted to help people and help their society live according to "Allah's" laws. Mr. Lowell: Your academic credentials are utterly meaningless if you can with a straight face claim that the Nazis were a secular, rational state. After all, there are people teaching in American universities that beleive the earth is 6,000 years old. Or that there is a Jewish cabal that rules the world. Some of these people even have “history” degrees.

Sarah P: Oh goodie. Another “it’s the mainstream media that makes us think the Iraq War is going badly” troll. I’m sure the residents of Fallujah, among others, are happy about the “difference” and “help” the American military are providing them! Especially given their opportunity to be proselytized by the bringers of The Truth like graduates of this Virginia Madrassa.

It’s amazing how similar the two sides are. After all, the Taliban just wanted to help people and help their society live according to “Allah’s” laws.

]]> By: John Lowell http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18603 John Lowell Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:41:22 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/10/30/christ-or-caesar/#comment-18603 "But who knows, maybe when they all are much, much older they could become innocent all-knowing catholics yet, I don’t know. Maybe mr Lowell can tell us more." Only if you and they say pretty please with sugar on it, Oebe NL. I mean I had to say pretty please with sugar on it to induce Bill, above, into a way of securing his regular approval of my comments, didn't I? Why not these folks in advance of their becoming all-knowing, innocent Catholics? But there's one caveat, Oebe guy: You must be old enough to be Catholic; you can't be some emotion-ravaged, college-aged bed-wetter who can't unravel the difference between his hostility toward his parents and that toward God or the Church. We're simply unable to arrange suitable domestic help for something like that. Maybe after a few more years you could come around again and we could take another crack at this. John Lowell “But who knows, maybe when they all are much, much older they could become innocent all-knowing catholics yet, I don’t know. Maybe mr Lowell can tell us more.”

Only if you and they say pretty please with sugar on it, Oebe NL. I mean I had to say pretty please with sugar on it to induce Bill, above, into a way of securing his regular approval of my comments, didn’t I? Why not these folks in advance of their becoming all-knowing, innocent Catholics? But there’s one caveat, Oebe guy: You must be old enough to be Catholic; you can’t be some emotion-ravaged, college-aged bed-wetter who can’t unravel the difference between his hostility toward his parents and that toward God or the Church. We’re simply unable to arrange suitable domestic help for something like that. Maybe after a few more years you could come around again and we could take another crack at this.

John Lowell

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