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		<title>By: Bill Rood</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/24/smearing-ron-paul/comment-page-1/#comment-87594</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Rood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I am so sick of people on both &quot;left&quot; and &quot;right&quot; who seem to be more interested in splitting the peace vote, thus guarranteeing failure, than they are in electing someone who will 1) end the Iraq War soon, 2) institute a non-interventionist foreign policy, 3) roll back the Constitutional encroachments of the PATRIOT Act, 4) slash military spending so that our taxes will not have to be raised quite so high in the future and 5) halt the slide in the dollar.

Any of the peace candidates mentioned -- Paul, Kucinich, Gravel, Nader or McKinney -- would support the above 5 policies, which are precisely the policies required to save the nation and the Constitution. None of them can possibly succeed without support from BOTH &quot;left&quot; and &quot;right&quot;. Calling one or another a Socialist, Nazi, racist or slug divides the peace movement and serves nobody but the War Party Republocrats. 

Besides, why do you try so hard to obfuscate your own argument with such bile? Are you afraid to stand up explicitly and make your case? On re-reading your post, it seems your real objection is abortion. Well, here&#039;s a news flash, John:  War is not pro-life. We kill a hell of a lot more Iraqis, not to mention Afghans, Serbs and Somalis, than we do fetuses. For that matter, we kill a lot of people every year by denying them health care. A lady died of neglect in an LA emergency room just a few months ago. I have no problem with someone preferring a pro-life peace candidate, but the death and destruction rained down by our bombs should long since have eliminated abortion as a litmus test on either side of that issue, just as single-payer healthcare should not be a litmus test.

I&#039;ll not call Ron Paul a slug because he opposes reform of our health care system (thus causing the early deaths of many already born human beings), nor call him a racist because he received a donation from one or failed to read an article published under his by-line. I&#039;ll vote for him if he&#039;s on the ballot and appears to be the most viable of peace candidates. To do otherwise is to give the War Party the wedges they need to divide and rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I am so sick of people on both &#8220;left&#8221; and &#8220;right&#8221; who seem to be more interested in splitting the peace vote, thus guarranteeing failure, than they are in electing someone who will 1) end the Iraq War soon, 2) institute a non-interventionist foreign policy, 3) roll back the Constitutional encroachments of the PATRIOT Act, 4) slash military spending so that our taxes will not have to be raised quite so high in the future and 5) halt the slide in the dollar.</p>
<p>Any of the peace candidates mentioned &#8212; Paul, Kucinich, Gravel, Nader or McKinney &#8212; would support the above 5 policies, which are precisely the policies required to save the nation and the Constitution. None of them can possibly succeed without support from BOTH &#8220;left&#8221; and &#8220;right&#8221;. Calling one or another a Socialist, Nazi, racist or slug divides the peace movement and serves nobody but the War Party Republocrats. </p>
<p>Besides, why do you try so hard to obfuscate your own argument with such bile? Are you afraid to stand up explicitly and make your case? On re-reading your post, it seems your real objection is abortion. Well, here&#8217;s a news flash, John:  War is not pro-life. We kill a hell of a lot more Iraqis, not to mention Afghans, Serbs and Somalis, than we do fetuses. For that matter, we kill a lot of people every year by denying them health care. A lady died of neglect in an LA emergency room just a few months ago. I have no problem with someone preferring a pro-life peace candidate, but the death and destruction rained down by our bombs should long since have eliminated abortion as a litmus test on either side of that issue, just as single-payer healthcare should not be a litmus test.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll not call Ron Paul a slug because he opposes reform of our health care system (thus causing the early deaths of many already born human beings), nor call him a racist because he received a donation from one or failed to read an article published under his by-line. I&#8217;ll vote for him if he&#8217;s on the ballot and appears to be the most viable of peace candidates. To do otherwise is to give the War Party the wedges they need to divide and rule.</p>
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		<title>By: A. G. Phillbin</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/24/smearing-ron-paul/comment-page-2/#comment-87474</link>
		<dc:creator>A. G. Phillbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real howler in Virginia Heffernan&#039;s hit piece is her description of &quot;Little Green Footballs:&quot;

Little Green Footballs, the hawkish and rigidly empiricist blog that first furnished evidence of memo-forging in the Rathergate case, has started due diligence...

Anyone who can describe LGF as &quot;rigidly empiricist&quot; does not deserve the dignity of Justin&#039;s insult: &quot;airhead.&quot; She is far more lightweight than that. Try &quot;helium head.&quot; Calling LGF &quot;rigidly empiricist&quot; is like calling Jeffrey Dahmer a &quot;strict vegetarian.&quot; I hope her editor chewed her dumb ass out for relying on - and PRAISING - such a source as LGF. She should be dispatched to do stories more within her talents - like feature stories on hair salons for dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real howler in Virginia Heffernan&#8217;s hit piece is her description of &#8220;Little Green Footballs:&#8221;</p>
<p>Little Green Footballs, the hawkish and rigidly empiricist blog that first furnished evidence of memo-forging in the Rathergate case, has started due diligence&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyone who can describe LGF as &#8220;rigidly empiricist&#8221; does not deserve the dignity of Justin&#8217;s insult: &#8220;airhead.&#8221; She is far more lightweight than that. Try &#8220;helium head.&#8221; Calling LGF &#8220;rigidly empiricist&#8221; is like calling Jeffrey Dahmer a &#8220;strict vegetarian.&#8221; I hope her editor chewed her dumb ass out for relying on &#8211; and PRAISING &#8211; such a source as LGF. She should be dispatched to do stories more within her talents &#8211; like feature stories on hair salons for dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: peace</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/24/smearing-ron-paul/comment-page-2/#comment-87400</link>
		<dc:creator>peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today, Kos and the Kosites are really going after Paul and us who appreciate him.   Never once do they mention his pro-peace, pro-justice, and pro-civil liberties stands.  Not once do they mention his consideration of a Black man for his running mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Kos and the Kosites are really going after Paul and us who appreciate him.   Never once do they mention his pro-peace, pro-justice, and pro-civil liberties stands.  Not once do they mention his consideration of a Black man for his running mate.</p>
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		<title>By: hydarblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>hydarblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that pathetic degree to which Ron Paul supporters enjoy calling their opponents &quot;fascists&quot; and &quot;nazis&quot;... photoshopping Hitler mustaches onto pictures, etc ... this article is simply laughable.  It&#039;s simply a fact that Ron Paul has &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/11/ron_pauls_nazi_supporters.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dealings with neonazi groups&lt;/a&gt;.  He could end them easily, but that would rock the money boat, it seems.

Given such ties, any claims need to be examined; Ron Paul himself has given their credibility a foothold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that pathetic degree to which Ron Paul supporters enjoy calling their opponents &#8220;fascists&#8221; and &#8220;nazis&#8221;&#8230; photoshopping Hitler mustaches onto pictures, etc &#8230; this article is simply laughable.  It&#8217;s simply a fact that Ron Paul has <a HREF="http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/11/ron_pauls_nazi_supporters.html" rel="nofollow">dealings with neonazi groups</a>.  He could end them easily, but that would rock the money boat, it seems.</p>
<p>Given such ties, any claims need to be examined; Ron Paul himself has given their credibility a foothold.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words, splendar. At the moment, they&#039;re particularly appreciated, having spent part of Christmas in a hospital&#039;s emergency room. As one ages, one gets a more thorough-going appreciation of the fact that political freedom, even in its most pure expressions, American or otherwise, is simply a cheap imitation of the ontological freedom that grounds it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words, splendar. At the moment, they&#8217;re particularly appreciated, having spent part of Christmas in a hospital&#8217;s emergency room. As one ages, one gets a more thorough-going appreciation of the fact that political freedom, even in its most pure expressions, American or otherwise, is simply a cheap imitation of the ontological freedom that grounds it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/24/smearing-ron-paul/comment-page-1/#comment-86536</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s keep being policeman to the world payed for by taxes and inflation as our manufacturing base gets moved offshore.

Let&#039;s keep giving benefits to the millions of illegal immigrants even though we&#039;re a debtor nation and our social systems are falling apart.

Let&#039;s keep propping up dictators all over the world so we can steal the resources of their people.

Let&#039;s stick with the paper system that&#039;s devalued our currency by 95%

And then lets make some phony, self righteous environmental stand making reference to &quot;tiger balls&quot; and rain forests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s keep being policeman to the world payed for by taxes and inflation as our manufacturing base gets moved offshore.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep giving benefits to the millions of illegal immigrants even though we&#8217;re a debtor nation and our social systems are falling apart.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep propping up dictators all over the world so we can steal the resources of their people.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s stick with the paper system that&#8217;s devalued our currency by 95%</p>
<p>And then lets make some phony, self righteous environmental stand making reference to &#8220;tiger balls&#8221; and rain forests.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/24/smearing-ron-paul/comment-page-1/#comment-86473</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially when corporate lobbyists own the politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially when corporate lobbyists own the politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great point.  Some Wal-Mart locations pay NEGATIVE taxes, which means your taxes are going to Wal-Mart. How does that make sense, exactly? Whether you think there should be further steps beyond it, getting corporations off welfare is a great first step, and something Ron Paul has consistently backed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great point.  Some Wal-Mart locations pay NEGATIVE taxes, which means your taxes are going to Wal-Mart. How does that make sense, exactly? Whether you think there should be further steps beyond it, getting corporations off welfare is a great first step, and something Ron Paul has consistently backed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education is mostly funded at the State level.  Lower Federal taxes &amp; spending could allow for higher spending in States where the citizens favor it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education is mostly funded at the State level.  Lower Federal taxes &amp; spending could allow for higher spending in States where the citizens favor it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/24/smearing-ron-paul/comment-page-1/#comment-86466</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s unpleasant sometimes, but racists are people too, and do have a right to their opinions and to live peaceably in America. 

I say that those of us who try not to be racist should focus on fighting real racial oppression, rather than worrying about other people&#039;s ideas. 

The two main mechanisms of racial oppression in America today are the &quot;War on Terror&quot;  (which is an excuse to target Arabs and Muslims) and the &quot;War on Drugs,&quot; (which is an excuse to incarcerate racial minorities in America).

I do believe that Dr. Paul is strongly in favor of ending both &quot;wars.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s unpleasant sometimes, but racists are people too, and do have a right to their opinions and to live peaceably in America. </p>
<p>I say that those of us who try not to be racist should focus on fighting real racial oppression, rather than worrying about other people&#8217;s ideas. </p>
<p>The two main mechanisms of racial oppression in America today are the &#8220;War on Terror&#8221;  (which is an excuse to target Arabs and Muslims) and the &#8220;War on Drugs,&#8221; (which is an excuse to incarcerate racial minorities in America).</p>
<p>I do believe that Dr. Paul is strongly in favor of ending both &#8220;wars.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Q</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/24/smearing-ron-paul/comment-page-2/#comment-86426</link>
		<dc:creator>Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the NYTimes was forced to retract its article:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://themedium.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/editors-note-the-ron-paul-vid-lash/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Editors’ Note: The Ron Paul Vid-Lash&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

By Virginia Heffernan

A post in The Medium that appeared on Monday about the Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul and his purported adoption by white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups contained several errors. Stormfront, which describes itself as a “white nationalist” Internet community, did not give money to Ron Paul’s presidential campaign; according to Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Paul’s campaign, it was Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, who donated $500 to Paul. The original post also repeated a string of assertions by Bill White, the commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, including the allegation that Paul meets regularly “with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review and others” at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. &lt;b&gt;Paul never attended these dinners, according to Benton, who also says that Paul has never knowingly met Bill White.&lt;/b&gt; Norman Singleton, a congressional aide in Paul’s office, says that he met Bill White at a dinner gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner. &lt;b&gt;The original post should not have been published with these unverified assertions and without any response from Paul.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the NYTimes was forced to retract its article:</p>
<p><a href="http://themedium.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/editors-note-the-ron-paul-vid-lash/" rel="nofollow"><b>Editors’ Note: The Ron Paul Vid-Lash</b></a></p>
<p>By Virginia Heffernan</p>
<p>A post in The Medium that appeared on Monday about the Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul and his purported adoption by white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups contained several errors. Stormfront, which describes itself as a “white nationalist” Internet community, did not give money to Ron Paul’s presidential campaign; according to Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Paul’s campaign, it was Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, who donated $500 to Paul. The original post also repeated a string of assertions by Bill White, the commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, including the allegation that Paul meets regularly “with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review and others” at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. <b>Paul never attended these dinners, according to Benton, who also says that Paul has never knowingly met Bill White.</b> Norman Singleton, a congressional aide in Paul’s office, says that he met Bill White at a dinner gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner. <b>The original post should not have been published with these unverified assertions and without any response from Paul.</b></p>
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		<title>By: peace</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/24/smearing-ron-paul/comment-page-1/#comment-86354</link>
		<dc:creator>peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are way off the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are way off the top.</p>
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