Comments on: Neocons Down,But Not Out http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:51:51 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mark Williams http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-91629 Mark Williams Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:05:48 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-91629 It's a little more complicated than that. The NYT played a double game in the run-up to the Iraq war. They opposed it on their editorial page, but in the "news" pages they put Judith Miller's (and Michael Gordon's) pro-war WMD propaganda on the front page above the fold. But now that Americans are becoming more widely skeptical of the Israel lobby and its agenda, the Times has decided to give more opinion space to the warmongers — perhaps to help "centrist" neoliberal warmongers like Tom Friedman appear more reasonable? It’s a little more complicated than that. The NYT played a double game in the run-up to the Iraq war. They opposed it on their editorial page, but in the “news” pages they put Judith Miller’s (and Michael Gordon’s) pro-war WMD propaganda on the front page above the fold.

But now that Americans are becoming more widely skeptical of the Israel lobby and its agenda, the Times has decided to give more opinion space to the warmongers — perhaps to help “centrist” neoliberal warmongers like Tom Friedman appear more reasonable?

]]> By: Bill K. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-90978 Bill K. Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:36:30 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-90978 It does not appear that talent in writing is necessary and that anybody with an agenda can write for the NYT. Why don't they hire me? I can keep the Editorials coming daily! It does not appear that talent in writing is necessary and that anybody with an agenda can write for the NYT. Why don’t they hire me? I can keep the Editorials coming daily!

]]> By: Mark Williams http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-90931 Mark Williams Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:50:31 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-90931 The Zionists who run the NYT are panicking. The threats to the Israel lobby are being met with intensified efforts to saturate us with neocon propaganda. The Zionists who run the NYT are panicking. The threats to the Israel lobby are being met with intensified efforts to saturate us with neocon propaganda.

]]> By: Hal http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-89773 Hal Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:17:39 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-89773 As a New York institution the Times has to cater to Zionist-warmongers and Neocons. Hence it is perfectly logical for it to hire a model of a Zionist/warmonger/Neocon. After all it was the NYT that gave Judith what-was-her-name? a bully pulpit from which to spew warmongering propaganda. Only when things went so badly awry was she sacked. If I recall correctly, the NYT also swallowed all the Bush propaganda leading up to the war. As a New York institution the Times has to cater to Zionist-warmongers and Neocons. Hence it is perfectly logical for it to hire a model of a Zionist/warmonger/Neocon. After all it was the NYT that gave Judith what-was-her-name? a bully pulpit from which to spew warmongering propaganda. Only when things went so badly awry was she sacked. If I recall correctly, the NYT also swallowed all the Bush propaganda leading up to the war.

]]> By: Jack http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-89640 Jack Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:00:52 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-89640 F the New York Times!! It's nothing but a mouthpiece for the New World Order. F the Elite!!!!!!!!! F the New York Times!! It’s nothing but a mouthpiece for the New World Order. F the Elite!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: G5 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-89303 G5 Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:58:31 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-89303 Even online dinosaur media will die as it's too easy to check their lies with a few clicks. Even online dinosaur media will die as it’s too easy to check their lies with a few clicks.

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-89279 Rowan Berkeley Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:33:27 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-89279 I don't think it is beyond the bounds of possibility that some of the more agile erstwhile neocons will suddenly stop being pseudo-rightists and become pseudo-leftists. I don’t think it is beyond the bounds of possibility that some of the more agile erstwhile neocons will suddenly stop being pseudo-rightists and become pseudo-leftists.

]]> By: Carol Watson http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-89045 Carol Watson Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:02:05 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-89045 Think of the convenience, though. If we can herd all these neocons over to the New York Times, it will be so much easier to completely ignore them. Think of the convenience, though. If we can herd all these neocons over to the New York Times, it will be so much easier to completely ignore them.

]]> By: richard http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-88885 richard Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:01:28 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-88885 I thought antiwar.com was the MSM these days? I thought antiwar.com was the MSM these days?

]]> By: Joe O. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-88810 Joe O. Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:39:38 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-88810 I can not believe that anyone really pays much attention to the New York Times anymore. Its a paper that has become more like a supermarket tabloid than an actual news source. After all, this is the same paper that had people like Jason Blair and Judith Miller as prominent journalists. Now, they are adding another liar, Bill Kristol to their roster. I can not believe that anyone really pays much attention to the New York Times anymore. Its a paper that has become more like a supermarket tabloid than an actual news source. After all, this is the same paper that had people like Jason Blair and Judith Miller as prominent journalists. Now, they are adding another liar, Bill Kristol to their roster.

]]> By: Kari Konkola http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-88768 Kari Konkola Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:10:55 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-88768 Do you recall what happened to The New Republic? They were intensely pro-war, and in a few years they lost about half of their subscribers and had to be taken over. To my knowledge, there has never been such a collapse in the MSM before. This suggests the division is not only elite vs. the general population. Part of the elite itself is against the war-mongering neocon line. The neocons, however, seem to have a strong hold of the Main Stream Media, and that obviously includes the New York Times. Do you recall what happened to The New Republic? They were intensely pro-war, and in a few years they lost about half of their subscribers and had to be taken over. To my knowledge, there has never been such a collapse in the MSM before. This suggests the division is not only elite vs. the general population. Part of the elite itself is against the war-mongering neocon line. The neocons, however, seem to have a strong hold of the Main Stream Media, and that obviously includes the New York Times.

]]> By: salem s http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/comment-page-1/#comment-88682 salem s Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:02:32 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/28/neocons-down-but-not-out/#comment-88682 The New york Times,and for that matter all the MSM,is the Pravda of our times,but worse. The New york Times,and for that matter all the MSM,is the Pravda of our times,but worse.

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