Comments on: Huckabee and Those WMD in Jordan http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/ Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:18:51 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Jeanie http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-133438 Jeanie Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:24:54 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-133438 Huckabee think---surely my friend you zest Huckabee think—surely my friend you zest

]]> By: Jeanie http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-133437 Jeanie Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:23:35 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-133437 Mike Huckabee in any man's language is the typica "Village Idiot," he doesn't know when to shut up, and you want to gag him about half the time. All my friends feel the same way. Has America gone made to vote in any way, shape or manmer for this buffoon! Mike Huckabee in any man’s language is the typica “Village Idiot,” he doesn’t know when to shut up, and you want to gag him about half the time. All my friends feel the same way. Has America gone made to vote in any way, shape or manmer for this buffoon!

]]> By: Eugene Costa http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-113099 Eugene Costa Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:33:08 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-113099 I have never understood why any religious fundamentalist would care much about the flag of any secular state, including the United States' flag, one way or another. Or is the United States also mentioned in "the Bible", whatever that means. A pity the Constitution has no mention of "God". Render unto Bushist Caesaropapism what is Bushist and Caeasaropapist. I have never understood why any religious fundamentalist would care much about the flag of any secular state, including the United States’ flag, one way or another.

Or is the United States also mentioned in “the Bible”, whatever that means.

A pity the Constitution has no mention of “God”.

Render unto Bushist Caesaropapism what is Bushist and Caeasaropapist.

]]> By: Eugene Costa http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-113092 Eugene Costa Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:22:57 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-113092 Really? Lexigraphy? Also I have in effect answered some of your later questions in my earlier comments, had you been paying close attention. I have no inclination to debate. To be frank, I have said enough for anyone who wants to follow to be able to follow. And if you are not among them, it saves me the time it takes to explain. Your definitions are, for the most part, conventional and ethnocentric. If you wish to consider "China" a "state", please be my guest. No doubt from that point of view Mao's doctrine of continuous revolution, just for one example, will look like complete lunacy to you, as it has to so many other westerners seeking states and conventional polities that are as static in practice as they are in their own mind. Really? Lexigraphy?

Also I have in effect answered some of your later questions in my earlier comments, had you been paying close attention.

I have no inclination to debate.

To be frank, I have said enough for anyone who wants to follow to be able to follow.

And if you are not among them, it saves me the time it takes to explain. Your definitions are, for the most part, conventional and ethnocentric.

If you wish to consider “China” a “state”, please be my guest. No doubt from that point of view Mao’s doctrine of continuous revolution, just for one example, will look like complete lunacy to you, as it has to so many other westerners seeking states and conventional polities that are as static in practice as they are in their own mind.

]]> By: Kenneth http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-113013 Kenneth Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:55:52 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-113013 The Christian fundamentalists are dangerous because they have the potential to destroy what remains of the American Republic and create a theocracy in a country with the world's most powerful nuclear arsenal. The Islamists, for all their depredations, are politically impotent. The Christian fundamentalists are dangerous because they have the potential to destroy what remains of the American Republic and create a theocracy in a country with the world’s most powerful nuclear arsenal. The Islamists, for all their depredations, are politically impotent.

]]> By: Kenneth http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-113012 Kenneth Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:54:38 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-113012 The western notion of a "state", then. For that matter, how do you define that? Your statements thus far have been rather lacking in lexigraphy, to be frank. The western notion of a “state”, then. For that matter, how do you define that? Your statements thus far have been rather lacking in lexigraphy, to be frank.

]]> By: Eugene Costa http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-112693 Eugene Costa Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:24:46 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-112693 Which western "state". Which western “state”.

]]> By: Kenneth http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-112644 Kenneth Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:19:29 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-112644 What, then, distinguishes China from western states? What, then, distinguishes China from western states?

]]> By: Eugene Costa http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-112621 Eugene Costa Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:49:50 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-112621 No, it does not. There is no "normal sense" the way you seem to mean it. There was no one "military-bureaucratic apparatus" before Mao on the mainland. Both Mao and Chiang in some sense considered themselves heirs of Sun. Interesting question most westerners never get to the point of asking--was Sun "Cantonese" or even "Chinese" (Han) in the ordinary meaning of either? Neither Mao nor Chiang was operating in a world that fits your definitions. Of the two Mao was perhaps the more conscious westernizer, but that was quite limited, and his western "consciousness" was, how best to put it--an external and artificial construct. No, it does not. There is no “normal sense” the way you seem to mean it.

There was no one “military-bureaucratic apparatus” before Mao on the mainland.

Both Mao and Chiang in some sense considered themselves heirs of Sun. Interesting question most westerners never get to the point of asking–was Sun “Cantonese” or even “Chinese” (Han) in the ordinary meaning of either?

Neither Mao nor Chiang was operating in a world that fits your definitions.

Of the two Mao was perhaps the more conscious westernizer, but that was quite limited, and his western “consciousness” was, how best to put it–an external and artificial construct.

]]> By: Kenneth http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-112598 Kenneth Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:01:22 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-112598 <i>“Power” universal? With its reference in English, or do you somehow speak independently of the language you use?</i> I don't know what is meant by this. <i>Even “to effect one’s desired ends” runs into trouble, not even to mention the concept of “ability”.</i> In what way? <i>There is no concept of “law” among the Chinese–in the western sense. The pre-Communists did have the concept of private property, but that no longer holds on the mainland under the Communists. This is just scratching the surface. The mainland looks on the surface like a conventional polity, but the surface is mostly for show.</i> Surely the pre-Maoist military-bureaucratic apparatus qualifies as a "state" in the normal sense? How does it differ? “Power” universal? With its reference in English, or do you somehow speak independently of the language you use?

I don’t know what is meant by this.

Even “to effect one’s desired ends” runs into trouble, not even to mention the concept of “ability”.

In what way?

There is no concept of “law” among the Chinese–in the western sense.

The pre-Communists did have the concept of private property, but that no longer holds on the mainland under the Communists.

This is just scratching the surface.

The mainland looks on the surface like a conventional polity, but the surface is mostly for show.

Surely the pre-Maoist military-bureaucratic apparatus qualifies as a “state” in the normal sense? How does it differ?

]]> By: Eugene Costa http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-112593 Eugene Costa Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:50:35 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-112593 Anyway--a century of "chaos" and "anarchy"? Really depends on one's definitions. Anyway–a century of “chaos” and “anarchy”? Really depends on one’s definitions.

]]> By: Eugene Costa http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/comment-page-1/#comment-112592 Eugene Costa Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:46:37 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/26/huckabee-and-those-wmd-in-jordan/#comment-112592 Another aspect of "China", Taiwan, is no closer to a "nation-state" than mainland China under the Communists. Singapore is yet another model. Another aspect of “China”, Taiwan, is no closer to a “nation-state” than mainland China under the Communists.

Singapore is yet another model.

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