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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/28/antiwar-in-fla-primary/#comment-113709</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What is wrong with the United States is that we don’t have enough patriots, people who truly love this country.&lt;/i&gt;

Joining the military anytime soon, Timmy?  Or do you prefer to bleat about patriotism from the safe anonymity of the internet?

&lt;i&gt;What is wrong is that we need more people who say, “Yes, the US has made some horrible mistakes (as have all nations) and we have done things we should deeply regret.&lt;/i&gt;

What is wrong with the US is a complacent population and a political establishment that tells it what it wants to hear, not what it needs to hear.  The Sibel Edmonds affair Raimondo has been writing about is a case in point.

&lt;i&gt;HOWEVER, this is still the greatest country on the face of the Earth.&lt;/i&gt;

How is "greatness" to be measured?  By most quantifiable measures of human welfare (child poverty, job security, medical care, and the like), America is significantly below the industrial average.  The fact that a third world dictatorship like Cuba can come so close to America in life expectancy speaks volumes about the state of affairs in the latter.  The worldwide press freedom index has the US at #48.  The current account balance continues to deteriorate.  The median wage has barely shifted at all since 1979, according to the Bureau of Labour Statistics.  An exact definition of "great" is notably absent here, perhaps because you wish to avoid discussing specifics.

We have only been around a little over 220 years and ( deny it all you want) the United States in her short history has done more to advance the cause of human freedom than any other nation. We have been a great force for good. If not for us half the world would either be under Nazi, Fasist, or Communist dictatorships.

If not for America's intervention in WWI, those dictatorships would have never arisen in the first place.  Not that they even had the means to fully subdue Europe, much less the world.  Not only this, but America's failure to support anti-Soviet liberation movements in the third world like the EPLF, its collaboration with the Khmer Rouge, and its systematic preference for fundamentalists like Gulbaddin Hekmatyar over democrats like Ahmed Shah Massoud during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, for which there is no excuse even in the context of America's stated objectives, indicate either colossal incompetence or failure by design, both of which make it unfit to lead the world.

&lt;i&gt;We are the city on the hill, we are the light onto the nations. We need Americans to stand up for America and push back the liberal, anti-american, multi-culturaral fanatics.&lt;/i&gt;

What "multicultural fanatics"?  Jingoism permeates virtually every aspect of American life.  I can scarcely stand to visit the country anymore, and it would take much to coax me into living there.  Moreover, isn't a key component of a free society the ability to choose which, if any, group, culture, or religion one settles in and belongs to?  Isn't pluralism an integral part of a competitive, multiparty democracy (nonwithstanding that such a thing no longer exists, if it ever truly did)?  Your statement implies, if it does not say so outright, that the state should be used to circumscribe this range of options according to a fixed ideal of what it means to be "American".  Indeed, it is an inversion of the very moral foundation of government: it implies that the people should be subordinate to the state, rather than vice versa (as in a free society).  It is, in short, fascism in an American guise.

&lt;i&gt;And by the way Kenneth: Just one other thought: You are fond of using large words to show off your erudition.&lt;/i&gt;

Erudition?  Hah!  I'm an eighteen year old malcontent who is simply not content to exist idly suspended in an intellectual matrix of propaganda.  If this is "erudition", then it speaks to the tawdry state of regnant intellectual fashions.  I was a mediocre student at school, if you must know, and I don't fancy that I possess any special intellectual prowess.  I merely apply what critical faculties I have and recognize absurdity when I see it.

&lt;i&gt; Perhaps one word you should look up is “humility” or perhaps even “civility” Just because someone disagrees with you is no reason to get personal and call them names–thats a bit puerile don’t you think?,&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps if you weren't so utterly disingenuous I'd have more patience with you.  If you could set aside your usual arsenal of glittering generalities and bare assertions long enough to discuss particulars, then I'd employ a more civil tone.  Since, however, you are apparently incapable of even this most basic of mental tasks, I will continue to employ variations of "idiot" until intellectual rigour is obtained.  To think that a prospective lawyer doesn't understand the rules of informal logic and scientific validation is, quite frankly, frightening.  I think I'd rather represent myself in court if your case is anything to go by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What is wrong with the United States is that we don’t have enough patriots, people who truly love this country.</i></p>
<p>Joining the military anytime soon, Timmy?  Or do you prefer to bleat about patriotism from the safe anonymity of the internet?</p>
<p><i>What is wrong is that we need more people who say, “Yes, the US has made some horrible mistakes (as have all nations) and we have done things we should deeply regret.</i></p>
<p>What is wrong with the US is a complacent population and a political establishment that tells it what it wants to hear, not what it needs to hear.  The Sibel Edmonds affair Raimondo has been writing about is a case in point.</p>
<p><i>HOWEVER, this is still the greatest country on the face of the Earth.</i></p>
<p>How is &#8220;greatness&#8221; to be measured?  By most quantifiable measures of human welfare (child poverty, job security, medical care, and the like), America is significantly below the industrial average.  The fact that a third world dictatorship like Cuba can come so close to America in life expectancy speaks volumes about the state of affairs in the latter.  The worldwide press freedom index has the US at #48.  The current account balance continues to deteriorate.  The median wage has barely shifted at all since 1979, according to the Bureau of Labour Statistics.  An exact definition of &#8220;great&#8221; is notably absent here, perhaps because you wish to avoid discussing specifics.</p>
<p>We have only been around a little over 220 years and ( deny it all you want) the United States in her short history has done more to advance the cause of human freedom than any other nation. We have been a great force for good. If not for us half the world would either be under Nazi, Fasist, or Communist dictatorships.</p>
<p>If not for America&#8217;s intervention in WWI, those dictatorships would have never arisen in the first place.  Not that they even had the means to fully subdue Europe, much less the world.  Not only this, but America&#8217;s failure to support anti-Soviet liberation movements in the third world like the EPLF, its collaboration with the Khmer Rouge, and its systematic preference for fundamentalists like Gulbaddin Hekmatyar over democrats like Ahmed Shah Massoud during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, for which there is no excuse even in the context of America&#8217;s stated objectives, indicate either colossal incompetence or failure by design, both of which make it unfit to lead the world.</p>
<p><i>We are the city on the hill, we are the light onto the nations. We need Americans to stand up for America and push back the liberal, anti-american, multi-culturaral fanatics.</i></p>
<p>What &#8220;multicultural fanatics&#8221;?  Jingoism permeates virtually every aspect of American life.  I can scarcely stand to visit the country anymore, and it would take much to coax me into living there.  Moreover, isn&#8217;t a key component of a free society the ability to choose which, if any, group, culture, or religion one settles in and belongs to?  Isn&#8217;t pluralism an integral part of a competitive, multiparty democracy (nonwithstanding that such a thing no longer exists, if it ever truly did)?  Your statement implies, if it does not say so outright, that the state should be used to circumscribe this range of options according to a fixed ideal of what it means to be &#8220;American&#8221;.  Indeed, it is an inversion of the very moral foundation of government: it implies that the people should be subordinate to the state, rather than vice versa (as in a free society).  It is, in short, fascism in an American guise.</p>
<p><i>And by the way Kenneth: Just one other thought: You are fond of using large words to show off your erudition.</i></p>
<p>Erudition?  Hah!  I&#8217;m an eighteen year old malcontent who is simply not content to exist idly suspended in an intellectual matrix of propaganda.  If this is &#8220;erudition&#8221;, then it speaks to the tawdry state of regnant intellectual fashions.  I was a mediocre student at school, if you must know, and I don&#8217;t fancy that I possess any special intellectual prowess.  I merely apply what critical faculties I have and recognize absurdity when I see it.</p>
<p><i> Perhaps one word you should look up is “humility” or perhaps even “civility” Just because someone disagrees with you is no reason to get personal and call them names–thats a bit puerile don’t you think?,</i></p>
<p>Perhaps if you weren&#8217;t so utterly disingenuous I&#8217;d have more patience with you.  If you could set aside your usual arsenal of glittering generalities and bare assertions long enough to discuss particulars, then I&#8217;d employ a more civil tone.  Since, however, you are apparently incapable of even this most basic of mental tasks, I will continue to employ variations of &#8220;idiot&#8221; until intellectual rigour is obtained.  To think that a prospective lawyer doesn&#8217;t understand the rules of informal logic and scientific validation is, quite frankly, frightening.  I think I&#8217;d rather represent myself in court if your case is anything to go by.</p>
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		<title>By: bke274</title>
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		<dc:creator>bke274</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmmm.....It appears as though Rudy is going to drop out of the race.  I guess Pat Robertson must have misunderstood what God was telling him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmm&#8230;..It appears as though Rudy is going to drop out of the race.  I guess Pat Robertson must have misunderstood what God was telling him.</p>
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		<title>By: peace</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/28/antiwar-in-fla-primary/#comment-113567</link>
		<dc:creator>peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the book recommendation.  Karp is brilliant.</description>
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		<title>By: Don T.</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/28/antiwar-in-fla-primary/#comment-113537</link>
		<dc:creator>Don T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read Walter Karp's " The Politics of War," and things will come into perspective. We've been manipulated by an oligarchy since a few years after the Civil War...and they are getting stronger and more effective at serving their own ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read Walter Karp&#8217;s &#8221; The Politics of War,&#8221; and things will come into perspective. We&#8217;ve been manipulated by an oligarchy since a few years after the Civil War&#8230;and they are getting stronger and more effective at serving their own ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim R.</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/28/antiwar-in-fla-primary/#comment-113533</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenneth:

What is wrong with the United States is that we don't have enough patriots, people who truly love this country. What is wrong is that we need more people who say, "Yes, the US has made some horrible mistakes (as have all nations) and we have done things we should deeply regret. HOWEVER, this is still the greatest country on the face of the Earth. We have only been around a little over 220 years and ( deny it all you want) the United States in her short history has done more to advance the cause of human freedom than any other nation. We have been a great force for good. If not for us half the world would either be under Nazi, Fasist, or Communist dictatorships. We are the city on the hill, we are the light onto the nations. We need Americans to stand up for America and push back the liberal, anti-american, multi-culturaral fanatics. 

And by the way Kenneth: Just one other thought: You are fond of using large words to show off your erudition. And you are also fond of calling other people names, like "idiots." Perhaps one word you should look up is "humility"  or perhaps even "civility" Just because someone disagrees with you is no reason to get personal and call them names--thats a bit puerile don't you think? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenneth:</p>
<p>What is wrong with the United States is that we don&#8217;t have enough patriots, people who truly love this country. What is wrong is that we need more people who say, &#8220;Yes, the US has made some horrible mistakes (as have all nations) and we have done things we should deeply regret. HOWEVER, this is still the greatest country on the face of the Earth. We have only been around a little over 220 years and ( deny it all you want) the United States in her short history has done more to advance the cause of human freedom than any other nation. We have been a great force for good. If not for us half the world would either be under Nazi, Fasist, or Communist dictatorships. We are the city on the hill, we are the light onto the nations. We need Americans to stand up for America and push back the liberal, anti-american, multi-culturaral fanatics. </p>
<p>And by the way Kenneth: Just one other thought: You are fond of using large words to show off your erudition. And you are also fond of calling other people names, like &#8220;idiots.&#8221; Perhaps one word you should look up is &#8220;humility&#8221;  or perhaps even &#8220;civility&#8221; Just because someone disagrees with you is no reason to get personal and call them names&#8211;thats a bit puerile don&#8217;t you think? :)</p>
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		<title>By: richard vajs</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard vajs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I hate to give the little pr--k that much credit, George Bush has had an impact on this country's culture. Remember when JFK got elected, he ushered in a lot of high brow culture - Robert Frost at the Inagural, Pablo Casals at state dinners, etc. With Bush it has been all fear and militarism with a certain amount locker room jockism (think of snapping bare buttocks with a wet towel type of thing). And what is our level of culture now - classical music and jazz are dead, country and western music has gone from lovelorn cheating to Toby Keith waving a flag and wanting to kiss some raghead ass. Rap music is considered creative. There are no art "movements", or architectural "movements". Literature has become totally commercial. And the fear level - in Arizona, I understand that housewives attend taser parties where they demonstrate tasers like they used to demonstrate Tupperware. All of our "heroes" now lock-and-load. And this trend is infecting our youth - no-one wants to find a cure for cancer anymore, they all want to live comfortably and play a decent game of touch football. Lord, we need to get some egghead in the White House soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I hate to give the little pr&#8211;k that much credit, George Bush has had an impact on this country&#8217;s culture. Remember when JFK got elected, he ushered in a lot of high brow culture - Robert Frost at the Inagural, Pablo Casals at state dinners, etc. With Bush it has been all fear and militarism with a certain amount locker room jockism (think of snapping bare buttocks with a wet towel type of thing). And what is our level of culture now - classical music and jazz are dead, country and western music has gone from lovelorn cheating to Toby Keith waving a flag and wanting to kiss some raghead ass. Rap music is considered creative. There are no art &#8220;movements&#8221;, or architectural &#8220;movements&#8221;. Literature has become totally commercial. And the fear level - in Arizona, I understand that housewives attend taser parties where they demonstrate tasers like they used to demonstrate Tupperware. All of our &#8220;heroes&#8221; now lock-and-load. And this trend is infecting our youth - no-one wants to find a cure for cancer anymore, they all want to live comfortably and play a decent game of touch football. Lord, we need to get some egghead in the White House soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, who says?  Plus, Jeb is waiting in the wings.  A message for all you Dems:  Corporations do not pay taxes, people do.  Get rid of corporate tax.  A good start would be to vote for socially liberal www.ronpaul2008.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, who says?  Plus, Jeb is waiting in the wings.  A message for all you Dems:  Corporations do not pay taxes, people do.  Get rid of corporate tax.  A good start would be to vote for socially liberal <a href="http://www.ronpaul2008.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ronpaul2008.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Caveman</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/28/antiwar-in-fla-primary/#comment-113485</link>
		<dc:creator>Caveman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who syas hes leaving office? Duhbua give up the throne?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who syas hes leaving office? Duhbua give up the throne?</p>
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		<title>By: subHuman</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/28/antiwar-in-fla-primary/#comment-113444</link>
		<dc:creator>subHuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth and facts do that, watching American Idol will help.</description>
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		<title>By: Dick Dani</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/28/antiwar-in-fla-primary/#comment-113387</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also like to include this gentlemen:
  “You can effect a change of robbers every four years.. An Inestimable privilege to pull off the glutted leech and attach the lean one" ~Ambrose Bierce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also like to include this gentlemen:<br />
  “You can effect a change of robbers every four years.. An Inestimable privilege to pull off the glutted leech and attach the lean one&#8221; ~Ambrose Bierce</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt Tim R. has the gumption to commit anything of his to his preferred cause.  He wants you and your children to execute his will, not his.</description>
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		<title>By: Stanley Laham</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/01/28/antiwar-in-fla-primary/#comment-113134</link>
		<dc:creator>Stanley Laham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's South American fascism as in Latin America!

Are you sure you're not a cartoon character? Does R stand for Redundant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s South American fascism as in Latin America!</p>
<p>Are you sure you&#8217;re not a cartoon character? Does R stand for Redundant?</p>
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