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		<title>By: Clarification: &#8216;Sibel Edmonds&#8217; Story Makes the MSM!&#8217; &#171; DetainThis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarification: &#8216;Sibel Edmonds&#8217; Story Makes the MSM!&#8217; &#171; DetainThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thanks very much to O.E., who writes: It was shocking, but a pleasant surprise, to find Philip Giraldi’s “Found in Translation” article reprinted, at least in part, in today’s Dallas Morning News. They did leave out the part about the Valerie Plame, but with graphics the article does fill the entire back page of the opinion section. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thanks very much to O.E., who writes: It was shocking, but a pleasant surprise, to find Philip Giraldi’s “Found in Translation” article reprinted, at least in part, in today’s Dallas Morning News. They did leave out the part about the Valerie Plame, but with graphics the article does fill the entire back page of the opinion section. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billions? Please. All you need to do is understand history to know that that is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billions? Please. All you need to do is understand history to know that that is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American people are no more or less stupid than the other 95% of the world's population.  The difference between them and Europe is that they have imbibed irrational modes of thought to an almost unprecedented degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American people are no more or less stupid than the other 95% of the world&#8217;s population.  The difference between them and Europe is that they have imbibed irrational modes of thought to an almost unprecedented degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why yes.  There's a very useful dossier right here:

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/3/31/13544/0640/war_on_public_education/Public_Schools_Outperform_Private_Ones_Conservative_Christian_Schools_Rank_Last_Among_Privates</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why yes.  There&#8217;s a very useful dossier right here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/3/31/13544/0640/war_on_public_education/Public_Schools_Outperform_Private_Ones_Conservative_Christian_Schools_Rank_Last_Among_Privates" rel="nofollow">http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/3/31/13544/0640/war_on_public_education/Public_Schools_Outperform_Private_Ones_Conservative_Christian_Schools_Rank_Last_Among_Privates</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are americans so stupid  as an american I can tell you  we get the information the MSM wants us to have not the information we need   we dont have news people in the news rooms and newspapers anymore we have corprate flunkies diseminateing what and what not to report  they will never let us know the whole truth if its gonna hurt the powers that be that are responsible for the huge tax breaks they get and them being able to dominate the public square and opinion we are in a sad time in our history information wise  and some people just dont give a damm  some have a see no evil hear no evil aproach   they will just go tru life with there heads up there collective asses  as long as you tell them everything is goin just honkey dory even tho  everything is being drug tru the sewer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are americans so stupid  as an american I can tell you  we get the information the MSM wants us to have not the information we need   we dont have news people in the news rooms and newspapers anymore we have corprate flunkies diseminateing what and what not to report  they will never let us know the whole truth if its gonna hurt the powers that be that are responsible for the huge tax breaks they get and them being able to dominate the public square and opinion we are in a sad time in our history information wise  and some people just dont give a damm  some have a see no evil hear no evil aproach   they will just go tru life with there heads up there collective asses  as long as you tell them everything is goin just honkey dory even tho  everything is being drug tru the sewer</p>
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		<title>By: flyerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>flyerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No comment has yet pointed out the obvious.  Americans on the right, left and in the middle are caught up in the delusion/myth of U.S. invincibility.  

Nothing can remain secret for very long, certainly not for 75 years, and the damage from nukes begins when they are made.  Even if they are not used, they go off slowly in the environment, in the genome.
  
Any nation state or other group that constructs them is the moral equivalent of a suicide bomber.  

The same, of course, is true for so-called 'civilian use' of nukes to generate electricity; the death and destruction is spread out over a longer time frame (a few hundred thousand years).

If you insist on the foolish pride of nationalism, why not put it to good use and lead by example?  Peace and Justice in a Nuclear-Free World!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No comment has yet pointed out the obvious.  Americans on the right, left and in the middle are caught up in the delusion/myth of U.S. invincibility.  </p>
<p>Nothing can remain secret for very long, certainly not for 75 years, and the damage from nukes begins when they are made.  Even if they are not used, they go off slowly in the environment, in the genome.</p>
<p>Any nation state or other group that constructs them is the moral equivalent of a suicide bomber.  </p>
<p>The same, of course, is true for so-called &#8216;civilian use&#8217; of nukes to generate electricity; the death and destruction is spread out over a longer time frame (a few hundred thousand years).</p>
<p>If you insist on the foolish pride of nationalism, why not put it to good use and lead by example?  Peace and Justice in a Nuclear-Free World!</p>
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		<title>By: anti-empire</title>
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		<dc:creator>anti-empire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are two more very detailed reports on the ever-expanding Sibel Edmonds story.

&lt;a href="http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/2008/02/deep-state-corporate-crime.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Deep State, Corporate Crime&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href="http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/02/key-clinton-backer-guilty-in-sibel.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Key Clinton Backer Guilty in Sibel Edmonds Case&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two more very detailed reports on the ever-expanding Sibel Edmonds story.</p>
<p><a href="http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/2008/02/deep-state-corporate-crime.html" rel="nofollow">Deep State, Corporate Crime</a></p>
<p><a href="http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/02/key-clinton-backer-guilty-in-sibel.html" rel="nofollow">Key Clinton Backer Guilty in Sibel Edmonds Case</a></p>
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		<title>By: anti-empire</title>
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		<dc:creator>anti-empire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't miss out on the larger picture here.. 

Sibel Edmonds has snared one tentacle of the octopus that has been dealing in narcotics, nuclear secrets, and illegal weapons sales &lt;b&gt;for decades&lt;/b&gt;. The blog &lt;a href="http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Antifascist Calling&lt;/a&gt; has just posted another very detailed piece on this international criminal network, titled &lt;a href="http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/2008/02/deep-state-corporate-crime.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Deep State, Corporate Crime&lt;/a&gt;. It's a must-read.

The term "&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state" rel="nofollow"&gt;deep state&lt;/a&gt;" refers to a political system, composed of high-level elements within the military, security and intelligence services, the judicial branch, and important commanders of organized crime. Although the term originated to describe Turkey's political system, it also correctly describes the USA, Great Britain, Pakistan, Israel, and others from roughly the 1970s through today. A peek at the ATC board members listed in &lt;a href="http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/2008/02/deep-state-corporate-crime.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Deep State, Corporate Crime&lt;/a&gt; gives one an idea of the numerous players who benefit politically and financially from deep state politics. Keep in mind the ATC board is one of hundreds of deep state lobbies and CIA cutouts created to carry out ilegal and deadly deep state activities.

Deep state activities during the 1970s and 1980s are well documented, though higly complex. The now defunct bank &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credit_and_Commerce_International" rel="nofollow"&gt;BCCI&lt;/a&gt; was one of the primary institutions used to launder the money used in this illegal narcotics, nuclear, and weapons trade. Although it is well-known that BCCI functioned as the CIA's money-laundering facility, Democratic Senator John Kerry helped whitewash the CIA's connections to BCCI during the investigations of the failed bank's criminal activities during poppy Bush’s presidency.

While the Bush crime family is well-known, with poppy Bush a former CIA chief, and generations of war profiteering and graft, the role of the Clinton crime family in deep state politics is more well-hidden. Here are a few of Clinton’s connections to the 1990s deep state. Support of the terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army, well-known for heroin trafficking, and the war on Serbia to ensure a secure flow of heroin from Turkey to western Europe is one. Another is the assistance governor Clinton provided to help cover for the CIA’s cocaine trafficking into Mena, AK. One of the best summaries of Bill Clinton’s connections to deep state politics is in this &lt;a href="http://prorev.com/connex.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;chart (top of page)&lt;/a&gt;, depicting the relationships various Clinton associate had to BCCI, and this &lt;a href="http://prorev.com/china.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;compilation of sales and thefts of weapons techology to China&lt;/a&gt;.

To learn more about the USA's deep state activities prior to 1990, start with &lt;i&gt;The Politics of Heroin; CIA Complicity In The Global Drug Trade&lt;/i&gt; by &lt;a href="http://www.bearcave.com/bookrev/nugan_hand.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Alfred McCoy&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/last_circle/circle!.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Last Circle&lt;/a&gt; by Carolyn Marshall, and books by &lt;a href="http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Peter Dale Scott&lt;/a&gt;. 

It’s a steep learning curve to bring oneself up to speed on decades of CIA and deep state criminal activity, but it is crucial to know the context of Sibel Edmonds’ revelations, 9-11, and the threat posed by unaccountable intelligence agencies that also control much of the world’s narcotics and illegal weapons trade. The threat posed to democratic societies, and the world in general, by intelligence agencies run amok makes CIA asset al Qaeda look like a cuddy teddy bear. The war on terror is a mere cover for the profits and operations of those who control deep state politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t miss out on the larger picture here.. </p>
<p>Sibel Edmonds has snared one tentacle of the octopus that has been dealing in narcotics, nuclear secrets, and illegal weapons sales <b>for decades</b>. The blog <a href="http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Antifascist Calling</a> has just posted another very detailed piece on this international criminal network, titled <a href="http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/2008/02/deep-state-corporate-crime.html" rel="nofollow">Deep State, Corporate Crime</a>. It&#8217;s a must-read.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state" rel="nofollow">deep state</a>&#8221; refers to a political system, composed of high-level elements within the military, security and intelligence services, the judicial branch, and important commanders of organized crime. Although the term originated to describe Turkey&#8217;s political system, it also correctly describes the USA, Great Britain, Pakistan, Israel, and others from roughly the 1970s through today. A peek at the ATC board members listed in <a href="http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/2008/02/deep-state-corporate-crime.html" rel="nofollow">Deep State, Corporate Crime</a> gives one an idea of the numerous players who benefit politically and financially from deep state politics. Keep in mind the ATC board is one of hundreds of deep state lobbies and CIA cutouts created to carry out ilegal and deadly deep state activities.</p>
<p>Deep state activities during the 1970s and 1980s are well documented, though higly complex. The now defunct bank <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credit_and_Commerce_International" rel="nofollow">BCCI</a> was one of the primary institutions used to launder the money used in this illegal narcotics, nuclear, and weapons trade. Although it is well-known that BCCI functioned as the CIA&#8217;s money-laundering facility, Democratic Senator John Kerry helped whitewash the CIA&#8217;s connections to BCCI during the investigations of the failed bank&#8217;s criminal activities during poppy Bush’s presidency.</p>
<p>While the Bush crime family is well-known, with poppy Bush a former CIA chief, and generations of war profiteering and graft, the role of the Clinton crime family in deep state politics is more well-hidden. Here are a few of Clinton’s connections to the 1990s deep state. Support of the terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army, well-known for heroin trafficking, and the war on Serbia to ensure a secure flow of heroin from Turkey to western Europe is one. Another is the assistance governor Clinton provided to help cover for the CIA’s cocaine trafficking into Mena, AK. One of the best summaries of Bill Clinton’s connections to deep state politics is in this <a href="http://prorev.com/connex.htm" rel="nofollow">chart (top of page)</a>, depicting the relationships various Clinton associate had to BCCI, and this <a href="http://prorev.com/china.htm" rel="nofollow">compilation of sales and thefts of weapons techology to China</a>.</p>
<p>To learn more about the USA&#8217;s deep state activities prior to 1990, start with <i>The Politics of Heroin; CIA Complicity In The Global Drug Trade</i> by <a href="http://www.bearcave.com/bookrev/nugan_hand.html" rel="nofollow">Alfred McCoy</a>, <a href="http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/last_circle/circle!.htm" rel="nofollow">The Last Circle</a> by Carolyn Marshall, and books by <a href="http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/" rel="nofollow">Peter Dale Scott</a>. </p>
<p>It’s a steep learning curve to bring oneself up to speed on decades of CIA and deep state criminal activity, but it is crucial to know the context of Sibel Edmonds’ revelations, 9-11, and the threat posed by unaccountable intelligence agencies that also control much of the world’s narcotics and illegal weapons trade. The threat posed to democratic societies, and the world in general, by intelligence agencies run amok makes CIA asset al Qaeda look like a cuddy teddy bear. The war on terror is a mere cover for the profits and operations of those who control deep state politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Peace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did it take Valerie Plame so long to learn about Sibel Edmond's disclosures, or did it?  I still don't trust Valerie Plame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did it take Valerie Plame so long to learn about Sibel Edmond&#8217;s disclosures, or did it?  I still don&#8217;t trust Valerie Plame.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Rynearson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Rynearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the people that used to think were nuts are now making sense. Scientific American ran a disturbing story about flouride in its last issue.  I remember my father the physician telling me that people who were against flouride were crazy/disturbed people. 

We need to have a national reconciliation of how we got from there to here. My suggestion is to start around 1960 to present day.  Somebody please ask George Bush Sr. where he was when JFK was shot.  He doesn't seem to remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the people that used to think were nuts are now making sense. Scientific American ran a disturbing story about flouride in its last issue.  I remember my father the physician telling me that people who were against flouride were crazy/disturbed people. </p>
<p>We need to have a national reconciliation of how we got from there to here. My suggestion is to start around 1960 to present day.  Somebody please ask George Bush Sr. where he was when JFK was shot.  He doesn&#8217;t seem to remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Peace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is their evidence that Americans have been trained not to think by accredited parochial and other religious schools?  Are these schools designed that way on purpose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is their evidence that Americans have been trained not to think by accredited parochial and other religious schools?  Are these schools designed that way on purpose?</p>
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		<title>By: subHuman</title>
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		<dc:creator>subHuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comrade Scott, all you need to do is read and understand history.

Start with the pilgrims and conclude with Police State Act a.k.a "patriot act".

Billions of innocent humans have been slaughtered in your name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comrade Scott, all you need to do is read and understand history.</p>
<p>Start with the pilgrims and conclude with Police State Act a.k.a &#8220;patriot act&#8221;.</p>
<p>Billions of innocent humans have been slaughtered in your name.</p>
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