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		<title>By: timmy ramone</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/demographics-and-democracy/#comment-131344</link>
		<dc:creator>timmy ramone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abe Lincoln's one undeniable achievement was the preservation of the Union.  Whether or not he was the best person suited to the task is an irrelevant speculation.  Love him or hate him, Lincoln is the reason why there is still a United States of America.

That is an accomplishment no other Republican can claim, nor do any of them even come close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abe Lincoln&#8217;s one undeniable achievement was the preservation of the Union.  Whether or not he was the best person suited to the task is an irrelevant speculation.  Love him or hate him, Lincoln is the reason why there is still a United States of America.</p>
<p>That is an accomplishment no other Republican can claim, nor do any of them even come close.</p>
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		<title>By: bread&#38;circuses</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/demographics-and-democracy/#comment-130891</link>
		<dc:creator>bread&#38;circuses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As opposed to his record out of office, where Dishonest Abe served as a tool of the railroad barons tirelessly working on behalf of a mercantilist (read corporatism) vision for the country?

Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant.  The facts are not in dispute, just whitewashed and hidden from children in the public schools and universities (indoctrination centers) lest they get the wrong idea about who it is we have erected monuments to and our current form of government.  

He was easily the worst Republican to ever become president, present company included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As opposed to his record out of office, where Dishonest Abe served as a tool of the railroad barons tirelessly working on behalf of a mercantilist (read corporatism) vision for the country?</p>
<p>Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant.  The facts are not in dispute, just whitewashed and hidden from children in the public schools and universities (indoctrination centers) lest they get the wrong idea about who it is we have erected monuments to and our current form of government.  </p>
<p>He was easily the worst Republican to ever become president, present company included.</p>
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		<title>By: bread&#38;circuses</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/demographics-and-democracy/#comment-130885</link>
		<dc:creator>bread&#38;circuses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newt Gingrich, is that you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newt Gingrich, is that you?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...good question...what's a bigger flaw for McCain...his incompetence or his mental instability?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;good question&#8230;what&#8217;s a bigger flaw for McCain&#8230;his incompetence or his mental instability?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/demographics-and-democracy/#comment-130817</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
It always amazes me the process by which the worst of monsters get transformed by court historians and the state aggrandizing public school system into Gods to be worshipped by the heavily indoctrinated and the ignorant.
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LOL!

Lincoln was unquestionably America's greatest president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
It always amazes me the process by which the worst of monsters get transformed by court historians and the state aggrandizing public school system into Gods to be worshipped by the heavily indoctrinated and the ignorant.
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<p>LOL!</p>
<p>Lincoln was unquestionably America&#8217;s greatest president.</p>
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		<title>By: timmy ramone</title>
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		<dc:creator>timmy ramone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't necessarily disagree with you about Lincoln's record in office.  Nonetheless, he was probably the greatest Republican ever to become President.  And that doesn't say much for the Grand Old Party, present company (e.g., Junior Bush and Insane McCain) most definitely included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree with you about Lincoln&#8217;s record in office.  Nonetheless, he was probably the greatest Republican ever to become President.  And that doesn&#8217;t say much for the Grand Old Party, present company (e.g., Junior Bush and Insane McCain) most definitely included.</p>
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		<title>By: bread&#38;circuses</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/demographics-and-democracy/#comment-130682</link>
		<dc:creator>bread&#38;circuses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Republican short of Lincoln?  lol.  It always amazes me the process by which the worst of monsters get transformed by court historians and the state aggrandizing public school system into Gods to be worshipped by the heavily indoctrinated and the ignorant.

Lincoln's views on the "black race" were that they were naturally inferior to "whites."  He was an avid supporter of "colonization", i.e., ethnically cleansing the U.S. by shipping blacks to places like Africa, Central America and Haiti.  He wanted to prevent them from settling in the "new territories in the West", preferring that these territories be the exclusive home of "free white people."  He was against social or political equality, believing that blacks and whites should not be allowed to intermarry and that blacks should not be allowed to vote, sit on a jury or hold political office.

As far as Lincoln and the issue of slavery, he was an advocate of the "rights" of slaveholders, as demonstrated by his support of the Fugitive Slave Act, his support for a proposed Thirteenth Amendment to explicitly guarantee slavery, and his public pronouncements that he had no intention of interfering with the institution of slavery and that it was not the reason for the North's invasion of the South.  His Emancipation Proclamation was a desperate gimmick at a time when the North was losing the war and by Lincoln's own admission had "reached the end of our rope."  Its purpose was to incite a slave rebellion in the South.  It freed not a single slave because all the territory under Union control was exempt.  In other words, as long as one was loyal to the federal government, slavery was OK.

Lincoln was a self-appointed military dictator and usurper of the Constitution who destroyed the Republic of the founders.  He authorized conscription (which is simply a euphemism for slavery) on a massive scale, which touched off violent riots in the North.  He also suspended habeas corpus, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and interfered with free elections (in Maryland).  Thousands of citizens in the Northern states were imprisoned without trial, or without even being charged with a crime, simply for offering views that dissented from his own with regard to the war and even domestic policy.  Those imprisoned included not only anti-war protestors, but owners and editors of newspapers (that Lincoln shut down), state legislators, members of congress, priests and preachers.

Unfortunately, Lincoln's abuse of civilians did not stop there.  In his prosecution of the war, he abandoned the rules of warfare laid out in the Geneva convention of 1863 which not only condemned wars of aggression (as opposed to defensive wars), but also forbid attacks against defenseless cities and towns, the plunder and wanton destruction of civilian property, and the taking from a civilian population more than was necessary to feed and sustain an occupying army.  Lincoln's "Lieber Code" effectively exempted all Federal military commanders from abiding by international law with respect to war crimes punishable by death or imprisonment, with predictable results.  The micro-managing Lincoln ignored all criticism of his army's conduct during the war, which was, by design, in flagrant violation of international law.  Unarmed civilians were murdered and their property burned and plundered, not just individually but on the scale of entire towns and cities.

Is it any wonder that our modern day neoconservatives worship Lincoln like a God?  GW Bush only wishes he could behave in such an unrestrained manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Republican short of Lincoln?  lol.  It always amazes me the process by which the worst of monsters get transformed by court historians and the state aggrandizing public school system into Gods to be worshipped by the heavily indoctrinated and the ignorant.</p>
<p>Lincoln&#8217;s views on the &#8220;black race&#8221; were that they were naturally inferior to &#8220;whites.&#8221;  He was an avid supporter of &#8220;colonization&#8221;, i.e., ethnically cleansing the U.S. by shipping blacks to places like Africa, Central America and Haiti.  He wanted to prevent them from settling in the &#8220;new territories in the West&#8221;, preferring that these territories be the exclusive home of &#8220;free white people.&#8221;  He was against social or political equality, believing that blacks and whites should not be allowed to intermarry and that blacks should not be allowed to vote, sit on a jury or hold political office.</p>
<p>As far as Lincoln and the issue of slavery, he was an advocate of the &#8220;rights&#8221; of slaveholders, as demonstrated by his support of the Fugitive Slave Act, his support for a proposed Thirteenth Amendment to explicitly guarantee slavery, and his public pronouncements that he had no intention of interfering with the institution of slavery and that it was not the reason for the North&#8217;s invasion of the South.  His Emancipation Proclamation was a desperate gimmick at a time when the North was losing the war and by Lincoln&#8217;s own admission had &#8220;reached the end of our rope.&#8221;  Its purpose was to incite a slave rebellion in the South.  It freed not a single slave because all the territory under Union control was exempt.  In other words, as long as one was loyal to the federal government, slavery was OK.</p>
<p>Lincoln was a self-appointed military dictator and usurper of the Constitution who destroyed the Republic of the founders.  He authorized conscription (which is simply a euphemism for slavery) on a massive scale, which touched off violent riots in the North.  He also suspended habeas corpus, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and interfered with free elections (in Maryland).  Thousands of citizens in the Northern states were imprisoned without trial, or without even being charged with a crime, simply for offering views that dissented from his own with regard to the war and even domestic policy.  Those imprisoned included not only anti-war protestors, but owners and editors of newspapers (that Lincoln shut down), state legislators, members of congress, priests and preachers.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Lincoln&#8217;s abuse of civilians did not stop there.  In his prosecution of the war, he abandoned the rules of warfare laid out in the Geneva convention of 1863 which not only condemned wars of aggression (as opposed to defensive wars), but also forbid attacks against defenseless cities and towns, the plunder and wanton destruction of civilian property, and the taking from a civilian population more than was necessary to feed and sustain an occupying army.  Lincoln&#8217;s &#8220;Lieber Code&#8221; effectively exempted all Federal military commanders from abiding by international law with respect to war crimes punishable by death or imprisonment, with predictable results.  The micro-managing Lincoln ignored all criticism of his army&#8217;s conduct during the war, which was, by design, in flagrant violation of international law.  Unarmed civilians were murdered and their property burned and plundered, not just individually but on the scale of entire towns and cities.</p>
<p>Is it any wonder that our modern day neoconservatives worship Lincoln like a God?  GW Bush only wishes he could behave in such an unrestrained manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/demographics-and-democracy/#comment-130639</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My word, a self-categorized "white male", whatever that may be, and negatively campaigning to "stop" Obama, and not because of his "ethnicity" (whatever that may be) but because his IQ is too high, you say?

Just curious, are you campaigning as vigorously for impeachment, and against McCain, a proven incompetent from his earliest days in the Navy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My word, a self-categorized &#8220;white male&#8221;, whatever that may be, and negatively campaigning to &#8220;stop&#8221; Obama, and not because of his &#8220;ethnicity&#8221; (whatever that may be) but because his IQ is too high, you say?</p>
<p>Just curious, are you campaigning as vigorously for impeachment, and against McCain, a proven incompetent from his earliest days in the Navy?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Gold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh stop it with "America is a racist country" and can minorities be elected. Its precisely this kind of claptrap nonsense which is used to club the electorates mind into its comatose state. At our blog, www.stop-obama.org, we are all minorities, myself being the sole "white" male, whatever that may mean. Not one of us likes the way Obama exploits his imagined identity to score points and stir the media away from criticism. We don't give a hoot about his ethnicity, when he isn't using it. We just find him a biz zero. 

Instead of demographics, take a look at IQ. You'll get a solid relationship there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh stop it with &#8220;America is a racist country&#8221; and can minorities be elected. Its precisely this kind of claptrap nonsense which is used to club the electorates mind into its comatose state. At our blog, <a href="http://www.stop-obama.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.stop-obama.org</a>, we are all minorities, myself being the sole &#8220;white&#8221; male, whatever that may mean. Not one of us likes the way Obama exploits his imagined identity to score points and stir the media away from criticism. We don&#8217;t give a hoot about his ethnicity, when he isn&#8217;t using it. We just find him a biz zero. </p>
<p>Instead of demographics, take a look at IQ. You&#8217;ll get a solid relationship there.</p>
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		<title>By: Lester Ness</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/demographics-and-democracy/#comment-130604</link>
		<dc:creator>Lester Ness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not like "European Americans" are a single group.  I've heard too many stories about "Old Americans" persecuting German Americans around 1917.  My ancestry is Norwegian and Dutch, and I feel nothing in common with White Southerners, mostly descended from Britain's rejects.

Lester Ness
Kunming
China</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not like &#8220;European Americans&#8221; are a single group.  I&#8217;ve heard too many stories about &#8220;Old Americans&#8221; persecuting German Americans around 1917.  My ancestry is Norwegian and Dutch, and I feel nothing in common with White Southerners, mostly descended from Britain&#8217;s rejects.</p>
<p>Lester Ness<br />
Kunming<br />
China</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your negative phrasing in effect, and quite incisively, isolates a number of problems in all demographics and polling.

Consider the following questions:

(1) Will you never vote for a person of (fill-in) sex for President?

(2) Will you never vote for a person you consider to be of (fill-in) race for President?

For various reasons, ranging from the epistemological to the psychological, there is no way, in my opinion, to obtain any valid answer to these questions.

At most you might get a minimal percentage who were willing to respond truthfully at this or that moment, and even that would not be worth much, would it?

The irony is that the answers to analogous questions, phrased in regard to the past and as inquiries into why a voter did as he or she just did, after the vote or the election would be similarly worthless, if in a slightly different mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your negative phrasing in effect, and quite incisively, isolates a number of problems in all demographics and polling.</p>
<p>Consider the following questions:</p>
<p>(1) Will you never vote for a person of (fill-in) sex for President?</p>
<p>(2) Will you never vote for a person you consider to be of (fill-in) race for President?</p>
<p>For various reasons, ranging from the epistemological to the psychological, there is no way, in my opinion, to obtain any valid answer to these questions.</p>
<p>At most you might get a minimal percentage who were willing to respond truthfully at this or that moment, and even that would not be worth much, would it?</p>
<p>The irony is that the answers to analogous questions, phrased in regard to the past and as inquiries into why a voter did as he or she just did, after the vote or the election would be similarly worthless, if in a slightly different mode.</p>
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		<title>By: timmy ramone</title>
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		<dc:creator>timmy ramone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racism is certainly a factor in this election.  The simple fact is a certain percentage of the electorate WILL NOT vote for a black man.

Likewise, a certain percentage of the electorate WILL NOT vote for a woman.  And another percentage WILL NOT vote for Hillary.

Justin was absolutely right: this &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a deeply racist (and sexist) nation.  Race, sex, as well as the inherent weaknesses of the Democratic candidates explains why a (to borrow a phrase) "twat" like McCain polls any higher than 20%.  The latest polls show McCain winning, slightly, against Clinton while losing, slightly, against Obama.  No Republican short of Lincoln should have a snowball's chance in Hell to win the Presidency in 2008.  But that doesn't seem to be the case at present, and Racism is definitely among the reasons for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racism is certainly a factor in this election.  The simple fact is a certain percentage of the electorate WILL NOT vote for a black man.</p>
<p>Likewise, a certain percentage of the electorate WILL NOT vote for a woman.  And another percentage WILL NOT vote for Hillary.</p>
<p>Justin was absolutely right: this <i>is</i> a deeply racist (and sexist) nation.  Race, sex, as well as the inherent weaknesses of the Democratic candidates explains why a (to borrow a phrase) &#8220;twat&#8221; like McCain polls any higher than 20%.  The latest polls show McCain winning, slightly, against Clinton while losing, slightly, against Obama.  No Republican short of Lincoln should have a snowball&#8217;s chance in Hell to win the Presidency in 2008.  But that doesn&#8217;t seem to be the case at present, and Racism is definitely among the reasons for that.</p>
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