Comments on: Obama and the Lobby http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:22:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Blake Lewis http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/comment-page-1/#comment-132138 Blake Lewis Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:36:56 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/#comment-132138 Wow. Very iterestin thread Wow. Very iterestin thread

]]> By: Lucien Beauley http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/comment-page-1/#comment-131430 Lucien Beauley Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:05:31 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/#comment-131430 Yes...Just check out Ron Paul's credentials... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/discover-and-imagine-ron-paul/successfully-fought-hillarycare-lite/ Yes…Just check out Ron Paul’s credentials…
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/discover-and-imagine-ron-paul/successfully-fought-hillarycare-lite/

]]> By: Lucien Beauley http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/comment-page-1/#comment-131429 Lucien Beauley Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:01:08 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/#comment-131429 Ron Paul posesses more than the combined forethought and foreknowledge about how to re-establish our country to its "constitutional" original than all other candidates combined and noone can ever hope to fill his shoes. We will all be amazed in the not-too-distant future. Ron Paul posesses more than the combined forethought and foreknowledge about how to re-establish our country to its “constitutional” original than all other candidates combined and noone can ever hope to fill his shoes. We will all be amazed in the not-too-distant future.

]]> By: Jeff Gold http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/comment-page-1/#comment-130622 Jeff Gold Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:34:41 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/#comment-130622 Philip Weiss is dead wrong. If he's supposed to be a good analyst, then I'm the prince of Wales. Next week on my blog at www.stop-obama.org I'll be posting installments about Obama's relationship with Palestinians and Jews. As AIPAC correctly surmised, Obama is "a green no-account" and opportunistic. He has no moral compass or any position to speak of. His opinions on the Middle East are irrelevant, because his decisions will be made elsewhere. You are entirely wrong to state the lobby was behind the ball, and didn't see this phony coming. Being a phony or virgin, doesn't mean you can't be taken for a ride, nor that you particularly care who drives. Philip Weiss is dead wrong. If he’s supposed to be a good analyst, then I’m the prince of Wales. Next week on my blog at http://www.stop-obama.org I’ll be posting installments about Obama’s relationship with Palestinians and Jews.

As AIPAC correctly surmised, Obama is “a green no-account” and opportunistic. He has no moral compass or any position to speak of. His opinions on the Middle East are irrelevant, because his decisions will be made elsewhere.

You are entirely wrong to state the lobby was behind the ball, and didn’t see this phony coming. Being a phony or virgin, doesn’t mean you can’t be taken for a ride, nor that you particularly care who drives.

]]> By: Michael S. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/comment-page-1/#comment-130538 Michael S. Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:48:31 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/#comment-130538 Israel in view of the commandments of G-d is a failed state. Israel in view of the commandments of G-d is a failed state.

]]> By: MetaCynic http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/comment-page-1/#comment-130409 MetaCynic Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:56:57 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/#comment-130409 Obama, the Constitutional scholar, did vote to reauthorize the Patriot Act. He had 5 years to read and analyze it and yet saw nothing wrong with this civil rights abomination. I don't see how he can make America less feared overseas without also making the Feds less feared here at home. Obama, the Constitutional scholar, did vote to reauthorize the Patriot Act. He had 5 years to read and analyze it and yet saw nothing wrong with this civil rights abomination. I don’t see how he can make America less feared overseas without also making the Feds less feared here at home.

]]> By: Bill http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/comment-page-1/#comment-130317 Bill Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:44:09 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/#comment-130317 I saw George Soros promoting Obama in a TV interview here in Australia a few months back.......I got VERY worried. These "war/Israel lobby groups" probably started "helping" & "befriending" all the people like Obama from before they win office the first time (& on both sides). AND THEY, (being Banking/Military supply….) ultimately "own & control the Media" via finance .....this IS the problem, MEDIA LIES. When did you last see an even remotely RATIONAL war or foreign policy or even DOMESTIC economic report in the media? They just do not exist!....but, despite this we meet Doctors & Lawyers and many others who believe every bit of it without thinking or checking anything. If Obama hasn't made commitments to fix wrongs I would not put much faith in him….it’s more of the same I suspect.. Fact is it is almost impossible to engage ANY politicians in "rational conversation" re utterly corrupt & stupid policy ......because, they know if we did the MUST change it!!! They are EXPERTS in “insulation” with staff & in not letting us talk to them. Perhaps we ought form small antiwar groups and insist the talk to us and EXPLAIN &, consider different policy. If we could speak with them they MUST capitulate on bad policy.......BUT WE DON"T. WE MUST .....or else....it's "Goodnight Irene" because I BELIEVE these mad and pathologically greedy supremacists (who profit from all this) will think nothing of killing countless millions MORE for their own power, greed & to "cover up" their unthinkable EVIL crimes. We must all be tough minded and nicely & intellectually stand up to the “true believers” in bad policy. I saw George Soros promoting Obama in a TV interview here in Australia a few months back…….I got VERY worried. These “war/Israel lobby groups” probably started “helping” & “befriending” all the people like Obama from before they win office the first time (& on both sides). AND THEY, (being Banking/Military supply….) ultimately “own & control the Media” via finance …..this IS the problem, MEDIA LIES. When did you last see an even remotely RATIONAL war or foreign policy or even DOMESTIC economic report in the media? They just do not exist!….but, despite this we meet Doctors & Lawyers and many others who believe every bit of it without thinking or checking anything.
If Obama hasn’t made commitments to fix wrongs I would not put much faith in him….it’s more of the same I suspect.. Fact is it is almost impossible to engage ANY politicians in “rational conversation” re utterly corrupt & stupid policy ……because, they know if we did the MUST change it!!! They are EXPERTS in “insulation” with staff & in not letting us talk to them.
Perhaps we ought form small antiwar groups and insist the talk to us and EXPLAIN &, consider different policy. If we could speak with them they MUST capitulate on bad policy…….BUT WE DON”T. WE MUST …..or else….it’s “Goodnight Irene” because I BELIEVE these mad and pathologically greedy supremacists (who profit from all this) will think nothing of killing countless millions MORE for their own power, greed & to “cover up” their unthinkable EVIL crimes.
We must all be tough minded and nicely & intellectually stand up to the “true believers” in bad policy.

]]> By: richard vajs http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/comment-page-1/#comment-130309 richard vajs Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:18:35 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/#comment-130309 Tim R, Let us agree on several things: 1. The invasion of Iraq was promoted by pro-Israel interests. 2. The illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq has been a disaster for America. 3. AIPAC has an unhealthy influence on our Congress - such influence depending largely upon threats and media bias. 4. Without American backing, Israel would be forced to make some humanistic concilliation with the Palestinians (such concilliation actually being in Israel's best interests for the future). 5. Israel is not America's ally; it (under its present right-wing, apartheid government) is not "the only democracy in the Mid East"; it has no bright future surrounded by vastly more populated enemies that it refuses to negociate with instead depending upon America's "muscle" to get it their way always. Bottom line - America needs to distance itself from a militaristic, racist Israel. Tim R,
Let us agree on several things:
1. The invasion of Iraq was promoted by pro-Israel interests.
2. The illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq has been a disaster for America.
3. AIPAC has an unhealthy influence on our Congress – such influence depending largely upon threats and media bias.
4. Without American backing, Israel would be forced to make some humanistic concilliation with the Palestinians (such concilliation actually being in Israel’s best interests for the future).
5. Israel is not America’s ally; it (under its present right-wing, apartheid government) is not “the only democracy in the Mid East”; it has no bright future surrounded by vastly more populated enemies that it refuses to negociate with instead depending upon America’s “muscle” to get it their way always.
Bottom line – America needs to distance itself from a militaristic, racist Israel.

]]> By: Shanghai Art http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/comment-page-1/#comment-130201 Shanghai Art Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:46:45 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/#comment-130201 Well here we are Feb 19, 2008 (20th in Shanghai) and a most amazing historical developmet is about to unfold; that is , a Black American seems likely to win baring any use of the bush methodology in stealing elections. Secondly, Barak appears to be a hopeful candidate that will owe nothing to the Zionist lobby and all those israel firsters. Thirdly, the emasculation of the african american male is finally over, Barak's rise elevates the dignity of the american black man to the plane of hope as never before. In so doing he redefines forever the role of minorities in general as acceptable members of the society at large. Fourth, the color line has been breached, those young white workers finally understood that the support of racism does not bring food to the table, that we are all in this fight together between our sweat and tears and those in lavish unfettered comfort. It is not surprising that those red staters that supported the bush regime are now suffering the most as their homes are foreclosed on, and their white collar jobs disappear. We are merciful, we say to them join us in a true crusade for equanimity, justice, and true unity in the face of the few powerful manipulaors of society. May God save the nation and Barak, let us be one voice in a war of social justice, a war of mercy, love of our neighbor, and forgiving of our shortcomings. Only then can unity between the races be achieved. Well here we are Feb 19, 2008 (20th in Shanghai) and a most amazing historical developmet is about to unfold; that is , a Black American
seems likely to win baring any use of the bush methodology in stealing elections. Secondly, Barak appears to be a hopeful candidate that will owe nothing to the Zionist lobby and all those israel firsters. Thirdly, the emasculation of the african american male is finally over, Barak’s rise elevates the dignity of the american black man to the plane of hope
as never before. In so doing he redefines forever the role of minorities in general as acceptable members of the society at large. Fourth, the color line has been breached, those young white workers finally understood that the support of racism does not bring food to the table, that we are all in this fight together between our sweat and tears and those in lavish unfettered comfort. It is not surprising that those red staters that supported the bush regime are now suffering the most as their homes are foreclosed on, and their white collar jobs disappear. We are merciful, we say to them join us in a true crusade for equanimity, justice, and true unity in the face of the few powerful manipulaors of society. May God save the nation and Barak, let us be one voice in a war of social justice, a war of mercy, love of our neighbor, and forgiving of our shortcomings. Only then can unity between the races be achieved.

]]> By: Gary Corseri http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/comment-page-1/#comment-130136 Gary Corseri Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:42:38 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/02/18/obama-and-the-lobby/#comment-130136 This is pretty watery mashed potatoes! "Weiss goes on to say that progressives of his sort 'aren’t worried about Obama’s lip service re Israel. They know in their hearts that a man with a Muslim parent who grew up in, among other places, the largest Muslim country on the planet, Indonesia, cares about Palestinian human rights. And what’s most important– he will owe the lobby nothing….'" If Weiss and "progressives of his sort" (whatever the hell his "sort" is) aren't worried about "lip service," it means they pay no heed--and advise the rest of us to follow in their stead--to what candidates say. And just where are we poor mortals supposed to separate the wink-nod-"lip service" from the true blue skinny? Oh, but I see: we're not supposed to read anything into the "lip service," we're simply supposed to buy into the manufactured bio--kid with Kenyan father grows up in Indonesia; conclusion: must be pro-Palestinian! if this is what passes for analysis these days, I'm rushing out to buy a new box of tea leaves! This is pretty watery mashed potatoes!

“Weiss goes on to say that progressives of his sort ‘aren’t worried about Obama’s lip service re Israel. They know in their hearts that a man with a Muslim parent who grew up in, among other places, the largest Muslim country on the planet, Indonesia, cares about Palestinian human rights. And what’s most important– he will owe the lobby nothing….’”

If Weiss and “progressives of his sort” (whatever the hell his “sort” is) aren’t worried about “lip service,” it means they pay no heed–and advise the rest of us to follow in their stead–to what candidates say. And just where are we poor mortals supposed to separate the wink-nod-”lip service” from the true blue skinny?

Oh, but I see: we’re not supposed to read anything into the “lip service,” we’re simply supposed to buy into the manufactured bio–kid with Kenyan father grows up in Indonesia; conclusion: must be pro-Palestinian!

if this is what passes for analysis these days, I’m rushing out to buy a new box of tea leaves!

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