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		<title>By: Edalat</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/03/in-defense-of-non-violence/#comment-137706</link>
		<dc:creator>Edalat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For many centuries it was a place where Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in peace. Hard to imagine now, isn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For many centuries it was a place where Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in peace. Hard to imagine now, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: salem s</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/03/in-defense-of-non-violence/#comment-136766</link>
		<dc:creator>salem s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,
 you keep brinning up sharia law ,a very immense body of laws open to many interpetations as any law,and hardly can find any muslim country that is following now days, and do not tell me about Iran or suadi arabia.I tried very to find a muslim country nowdays  where christian are forced to choose either to convert ,pay jizzia,or be kiled but I could not find any!But in the bible people were not given a choice at all. In Samuel 15:2-3, the Lord orders Saul to kill all the Amalekite men, women and infants.
 In Numbers 31, the Lord tells Moses to kill all the Midianites, sparing only the virgins!
 In Deuteronomy 13:6-16, the Lord instructs Israel to kill anyone who worships a different god or who worships the Lord differently!
 In Luke 19:22-27, Jesus orders killed anyone who refuses to be ruled by him.

Tim,
 you need to broaden your mind and stop basing you informationonly  on  dishounest sources that have clear baises aginst Islam.This would be like garbbage in, garbbage out.

 By the way,Do you have a choice between paying taxes or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
 you keep brinning up sharia law ,a very immense body of laws open to many interpetations as any law,and hardly can find any muslim country that is following now days, and do not tell me about Iran or suadi arabia.I tried very to find a muslim country nowdays  where christian are forced to choose either to convert ,pay jizzia,or be kiled but I could not find any!But in the bible people were not given a choice at all. In Samuel 15:2-3, the Lord orders Saul to kill all the Amalekite men, women and infants.<br />
 In Numbers 31, the Lord tells Moses to kill all the Midianites, sparing only the virgins!<br />
 In Deuteronomy 13:6-16, the Lord instructs Israel to kill anyone who worships a different god or who worships the Lord differently!<br />
 In Luke 19:22-27, Jesus orders killed anyone who refuses to be ruled by him.</p>
<p>Tim,<br />
 you need to broaden your mind and stop basing you informationonly  on  dishounest sources that have clear baises aginst Islam.This would be like garbbage in, garbbage out.</p>
<p> By the way,Do you have a choice between paying taxes or not?</p>
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		<title>By: Weston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, if you are not making the claim that most or even a significant percentage of Muslims are terrorists, then I don't see how anything you've said supports the view that Islam in general, rather than the violent interpretation adopted by a minority of extremists, has anything to do with terrorism.  Perhaps you were not saying that most Muslims are violent.  Here is what you did say:

&lt;i&gt;let’s say that 90% of Muslims are peaceful, loving and decent people. What about the other 10%? Do the math. A small percentage of a large number is in itself a large number. 10% of 1.2 billion is 120 million. That means by conservative estimates there are about 120 million radical violent, Bin Laden loving, Muslims running around.&lt;/i&gt;

I realize it's a hypothetical.  But you're using it to support the view that the threat posed by... who? All Muslims?  Clearly not.  The religion of Islam?  The remains to be seen.  Muslim terrorists?  That's not a controversial point.  Let's do the math.  Consider another hypothetical.

Suppose, contrary to fact, that 1 million acts of terrorism are committed every year (that would be about 2800 per day, which is insanely high, but I'm inflating the numbers to make your argument even stronger than it would otherwise be).  Suppose, also contrary to fact, but in line with your assertion, that 10% of all Muslims are terrorists.  This would mean that on average, every single one of those acts of terror would involve at least 120 Muslims who were not also involved in other attacks.

In reality, the number of terrorist attacks is much smaller, which means that in order to make anything like the claims that you are, you'd need either to posit that each act is carried out by separate consipiracies comprised of hundreds of Muslims, or you need to reduce the percentage of all Muslims you think are involved in terrorism.

The numbers turn out to be only slightly less ridiculous, by the way, if you assume that even 1% of all Muslims are involved in terrorism.  More likely--to the point of certainty--given the actual number of attempted and successful terrorist attacks that happen, and given that many terrorists probably participate in multiple attacks, the percentage of Muslims involved in terrorism is vanishingly small.  Certainly nothing like the number you'd need to support your "pretty significant threat."

The point is this.  Nobody denies that there are Islamic terrorists.  Few deny that there are more Islamic terrorists than other kinds of terrorists.  But to generalize from that to the idea that Islam, &lt;i&gt;as it is actually practiced by actual Muslims&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;, is a violent religion is simply false.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, if you are not making the claim that most or even a significant percentage of Muslims are terrorists, then I don&#8217;t see how anything you&#8217;ve said supports the view that Islam in general, rather than the violent interpretation adopted by a minority of extremists, has anything to do with terrorism.  Perhaps you were not saying that most Muslims are violent.  Here is what you did say:</p>
<p><i>let’s say that 90% of Muslims are peaceful, loving and decent people. What about the other 10%? Do the math. A small percentage of a large number is in itself a large number. 10% of 1.2 billion is 120 million. That means by conservative estimates there are about 120 million radical violent, Bin Laden loving, Muslims running around.</i></p>
<p>I realize it&#8217;s a hypothetical.  But you&#8217;re using it to support the view that the threat posed by&#8230; who? All Muslims?  Clearly not.  The religion of Islam?  The remains to be seen.  Muslim terrorists?  That&#8217;s not a controversial point.  Let&#8217;s do the math.  Consider another hypothetical.</p>
<p>Suppose, contrary to fact, that 1 million acts of terrorism are committed every year (that would be about 2800 per day, which is insanely high, but I&#8217;m inflating the numbers to make your argument even stronger than it would otherwise be).  Suppose, also contrary to fact, but in line with your assertion, that 10% of all Muslims are terrorists.  This would mean that on average, every single one of those acts of terror would involve at least 120 Muslims who were not also involved in other attacks.</p>
<p>In reality, the number of terrorist attacks is much smaller, which means that in order to make anything like the claims that you are, you&#8217;d need either to posit that each act is carried out by separate consipiracies comprised of hundreds of Muslims, or you need to reduce the percentage of all Muslims you think are involved in terrorism.</p>
<p>The numbers turn out to be only slightly less ridiculous, by the way, if you assume that even 1% of all Muslims are involved in terrorism.  More likely&#8211;to the point of certainty&#8211;given the actual number of attempted and successful terrorist attacks that happen, and given that many terrorists probably participate in multiple attacks, the percentage of Muslims involved in terrorism is vanishingly small.  Certainly nothing like the number you&#8217;d need to support your &#8220;pretty significant threat.&#8221;</p>
<p>The point is this.  Nobody denies that there are Islamic terrorists.  Few deny that there are more Islamic terrorists than other kinds of terrorists.  But to generalize from that to the idea that Islam, <i>as it is actually practiced by actual Muslims</i><i>, is a violent religion is simply false.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Fan of Raimondo and Garris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fan of Raimondo and Garris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to add that the point of my post above is not to defend Islam, but to dispel the notion that the US was targeted by terrorists because of their religion. The US was attacked because of the actions of our amoral, meddlesome, murderous and greedy government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to add that the point of my post above is not to defend Islam, but to dispel the notion that the US was targeted by terrorists because of their religion. The US was attacked because of the actions of our amoral, meddlesome, murderous and greedy government.</p>
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		<title>By: Fan of Raimondo and Garris</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/03/in-defense-of-non-violence/#comment-136513</link>
		<dc:creator>Fan of Raimondo and Garris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim R. said, "However, most terrorists are Muslim. See the difference?"

Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolf, the Unibomber, the KKK, the Army of God, the Weathermen, the Black Panthers, the SLA, the IRA, the Contradoras, the Shining Path, FARC, Irgun, Stern Gang, Haganah, the Bush-Cheney cabal, etc.  None of the above are Muslim terrorist groups.  There are many more non-Muslim terrorist groups, but I think I've made my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim R. said, &#8220;However, most terrorists are Muslim. See the difference?&#8221;</p>
<p>Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolf, the Unibomber, the KKK, the Army of God, the Weathermen, the Black Panthers, the SLA, the IRA, the Contradoras, the Shining Path, FARC, Irgun, Stern Gang, Haganah, the Bush-Cheney cabal, etc.  None of the above are Muslim terrorist groups.  There are many more non-Muslim terrorist groups, but I think I&#8217;ve made my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim R.</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/03/in-defense-of-non-violence/#comment-136509</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salem,

Do you deny that according to strict Sharia law, a non-Muslim has three options: Convert, be subjugated to Islam as a "Dhimmi" and pay tribute, or die. Do you deny that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salem,</p>
<p>Do you deny that according to strict Sharia law, a non-Muslim has three options: Convert, be subjugated to Islam as a &#8220;Dhimmi&#8221; and pay tribute, or die. Do you deny that?</p>
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		<title>By: salem s</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/03/in-defense-of-non-violence/#comment-136507</link>
		<dc:creator>salem s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In October 2007, Robert Spencer attended a controversial conference in Brussels, Belgium entitled "Counterjihad Brussels 2007".[28] The conference was sponsored and attended by far-right and Nazi-inspired European political parties, including the Vlaams Belang and Sverigedemokraterna. Vlaams Belang is the successor party to the Vlaams Blok, a political party that was completely banned by the highest court of Belgium for being racist.[29] The Sverigedemokraterna has been considered a fringe party too close to neo-Nazi parties in Sweden.[30]

After receiving criticism, Spencer said he disavowed all neo-Nazis and racists present at the conference, and claimed he was unaware of their presence,[31] although sponsors and speakers at the conference were clearly identified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In October 2007, Robert Spencer attended a controversial conference in Brussels, Belgium entitled &#8220;Counterjihad Brussels 2007&#8243;.[28] The conference was sponsored and attended by far-right and Nazi-inspired European political parties, including the Vlaams Belang and Sverigedemokraterna. Vlaams Belang is the successor party to the Vlaams Blok, a political party that was completely banned by the highest court of Belgium for being racist.[29] The Sverigedemokraterna has been considered a fringe party too close to neo-Nazi parties in Sweden.[30]</p>
<p>After receiving criticism, Spencer said he disavowed all neo-Nazis and racists present at the conference, and claimed he was unaware of their presence,[31] although sponsors and speakers at the conference were clearly identified.</p>
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		<title>By: salem s</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/03/in-defense-of-non-violence/#comment-136500</link>
		<dc:creator>salem s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barak seeks legal okay to move Gazan civilians from homes  
 
 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/960415.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barak seeks legal okay to move Gazan civilians from homes  </p>
<p> <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/960415.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/960415.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: salem s</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/03/in-defense-of-non-violence/#comment-136497</link>
		<dc:creator>salem s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,
I wonder why so many christians  have continued to live in many muslim countries,their churches still standing to this day even after the attrocities of the Christian crusaders.Why were not they forced to convert as you would have us believe.Your sources are very suspect and have no interest in truth.But no matter what the facts are ,that would not stop you and the people you base your information on from presenting falsehood as fact.Truth to you is what you wanted to be not what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
I wonder why so many christians  have continued to live in many muslim countries,their churches still standing to this day even after the attrocities of the Christian crusaders.Why were not they forced to convert as you would have us believe.Your sources are very suspect and have no interest in truth.But no matter what the facts are ,that would not stop you and the people you base your information on from presenting falsehood as fact.Truth to you is what you wanted to be not what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weston, by the way I never said that most Muslims were violent. Re-read my posts, I NEVER said that. I think most Muslims are not violent. Most Muslims are not terrorists. However, most terrorists are Muslim. See the difference?

And by the way, let's say that 90% of Muslims are peaceful, loving and decent people. What about the other 10%? Do the math. A small percentage of a large number is in itself a large number. 10% of 1.2 billion is 120 million. That means by conservative estimates there are about 120 million radical violent, Bin Laden loving, Muslims running around. To give you some perspective: That is twice the entire population of France, four times the poplulation of Canada, or six times the population of Australia. A pretty signifcant threat if you ask me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weston, by the way I never said that most Muslims were violent. Re-read my posts, I NEVER said that. I think most Muslims are not violent. Most Muslims are not terrorists. However, most terrorists are Muslim. See the difference?</p>
<p>And by the way, let&#8217;s say that 90% of Muslims are peaceful, loving and decent people. What about the other 10%? Do the math. A small percentage of a large number is in itself a large number. 10% of 1.2 billion is 120 million. That means by conservative estimates there are about 120 million radical violent, Bin Laden loving, Muslims running around. To give you some perspective: That is twice the entire population of France, four times the poplulation of Canada, or six times the population of Australia. A pretty signifcant threat if you ask me!</p>
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		<title>By: Weston</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/03/in-defense-of-non-violence/#comment-136487</link>
		<dc:creator>Weston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And on a less civil note, you f*ing hypocrite, I find it a little irritating that when I use the term "hateful bigot" to describe people who are "utterly intolerant" and, well, "hateful" towards others, I get the "aww, why can't we all just have a civil debate" line from the guy who goes around saying Palestinians are "brainwashed," "barbaric," and "immersed in a [perverse and deviant] death cult."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on a less civil note, you f*ing hypocrite, I find it a little irritating that when I use the term &#8220;hateful bigot&#8221; to describe people who are &#8220;utterly intolerant&#8221; and, well, &#8220;hateful&#8221; towards others, I get the &#8220;aww, why can&#8217;t we all just have a civil debate&#8221; line from the guy who goes around saying Palestinians are &#8220;brainwashed,&#8221; &#8220;barbaric,&#8221; and &#8220;immersed in a [perverse and deviant] death cult.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Weston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, your "logical" inference neglects the fact that 90% of all terrorist acts being committed by Muslims is consistent the most Muslims being non-violent.  All you have to see is that all those terrorist acts might be committed by a very small group of extremists.

This also explains what is "politically incorrect" about your screed.  No one, at least no one here, believes that you shouldn't "inquire" into whatever correlation you so desire.  But your foolish inference from the claim that "Muslims are responsible for most terrorism" to the claim that "most Muslims are violent,"  coupled with your failure to recognize other possible causes for the alleged correlation, alongside your refusal acknowledge present and historical Christian violence, indicates, among other things, that you are less interested in discovering actual correlations than you are in attacking a particular ethnic group.

Sorry if the definition of the word "bigot" hurts your feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, your &#8220;logical&#8221; inference neglects the fact that 90% of all terrorist acts being committed by Muslims is consistent the most Muslims being non-violent.  All you have to see is that all those terrorist acts might be committed by a very small group of extremists.</p>
<p>This also explains what is &#8220;politically incorrect&#8221; about your screed.  No one, at least no one here, believes that you shouldn&#8217;t &#8220;inquire&#8221; into whatever correlation you so desire.  But your foolish inference from the claim that &#8220;Muslims are responsible for most terrorism&#8221; to the claim that &#8220;most Muslims are violent,&#8221;  coupled with your failure to recognize other possible causes for the alleged correlation, alongside your refusal acknowledge present and historical Christian violence, indicates, among other things, that you are less interested in discovering actual correlations than you are in attacking a particular ethnic group.</p>
<p>Sorry if the definition of the word &#8220;bigot&#8221; hurts your feelings.</p>
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