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	<title>Comments on: Dennis Kucinich Winning for Congress</title>
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		<title>By: Gearges Fair</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/04/dennis-kucinich-winning-for-congress/#comment-137836</link>
		<dc:creator>Gearges Fair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad  the governement of any Country elected or not REFLECTS the people of that country  and what thery or we actually are! A SELFISH PEOPLE  IT"S ALWAYS ABOUT WHAT"S  GOOD FOR THE " ME" INSTEAD OF THE "WE"! WE ONLY CARE ABOUT OURSELVES WITH THE NARROW MINDED VIEW LIKE " I HAVE MY HEALTH INSURANCE" WHO CARE ABOUT THE OTHERS   UNTIL CATASTROPHY STRIKE  WHERE WE LOSE OUR COVERAGE OR GO BANKRUPT UNDER PILES OF MEDICAL BILLS&#62;&#62;&#62;&#62; THEN WE WONDER HOW COME NOBODY DID ANYTHING ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE!

STUPID: YES. LIKE THIS COMMENT FROM A LADY FROM OHIO&#62;&#62; SHE WAS NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR KUCINICH BECAUSE SHE WAS GETTING TIRED OF THE "JOKES ABOUT HIM ON THE LATE NIGHT SHOW!
THAT WAS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO HER THAN THE ISSUES SHE PROBABLY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND OR GRAB.

THE RISE OF OBAMA HAS MORE TO DO BECAUSE HE IS CHARISMATIC THAN ANYTHING ELSE&#62;&#62;CERTAINLY THIS NOT ABOT CHANGE&#62;&#62;WHAT CHANGES???&#62; HE SPEAKS VERY WELL BUT IN CIRCLE OFFERING NO SUBSTANCE ABOUT WHAT CHANGES HE IS GOING TO BRING&#62;&#62;&#62; THAT"S WHAT ATTRACT PEOPLE!
WE DESEVE THE GOVERNEMENT WE GET! IT"S A REFLECTION OF US!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad  the governement of any Country elected or not REFLECTS the people of that country  and what thery or we actually are! A SELFISH PEOPLE  IT&#8221;S ALWAYS ABOUT WHAT&#8221;S  GOOD FOR THE &#8221; ME&#8221; INSTEAD OF THE &#8220;WE&#8221;! WE ONLY CARE ABOUT OURSELVES WITH THE NARROW MINDED VIEW LIKE &#8221; I HAVE MY HEALTH INSURANCE&#8221; WHO CARE ABOUT THE OTHERS   UNTIL CATASTROPHY STRIKE  WHERE WE LOSE OUR COVERAGE OR GO BANKRUPT UNDER PILES OF MEDICAL BILLS&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; THEN WE WONDER HOW COME NOBODY DID ANYTHING ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE!</p>
<p>STUPID: YES. LIKE THIS COMMENT FROM A LADY FROM OHIO&gt;&gt; SHE WAS NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR KUCINICH BECAUSE SHE WAS GETTING TIRED OF THE &#8220;JOKES ABOUT HIM ON THE LATE NIGHT SHOW!<br />
THAT WAS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO HER THAN THE ISSUES SHE PROBABLY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND OR GRAB.</p>
<p>THE RISE OF OBAMA HAS MORE TO DO BECAUSE HE IS CHARISMATIC THAN ANYTHING ELSE&gt;&gt;CERTAINLY THIS NOT ABOT CHANGE&gt;&gt;WHAT CHANGES???&gt; HE SPEAKS VERY WELL BUT IN CIRCLE OFFERING NO SUBSTANCE ABOUT WHAT CHANGES HE IS GOING TO BRING&gt;&gt;&gt; THAT&#8221;S WHAT ATTRACT PEOPLE!<br />
WE DESEVE THE GOVERNEMENT WE GET! IT&#8221;S A REFLECTION OF US!</p>
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		<title>By: Gearges Fair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gearges Fair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad I understood very well what you were saying ...but that's not how the real world work! I do not mind paying taxes when it goes to a worthy project or cause. I am paying property taxes for public school even though I do not have children....like I would not mind paying your health care (through taxes or payroll taxex) if you really are in need! It can work both way! I would not mind paying more than you through a payroll tax for health care if I make more money than you...that's  called solidatity or better "Patriotism"....
The reality is that hospitals will have to take care of you  even if you cannot pay if you get an infectious disease for example than can spread all over if not treated etc and in a matter of life and death...someone has to pay!..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad I understood very well what you were saying &#8230;but that&#8217;s not how the real world work! I do not mind paying taxes when it goes to a worthy project or cause. I am paying property taxes for public school even though I do not have children&#8230;.like I would not mind paying your health care (through taxes or payroll taxex) if you really are in need! It can work both way! I would not mind paying more than you through a payroll tax for health care if I make more money than you&#8230;that&#8217;s  called solidatity or better &#8220;Patriotism&#8221;&#8230;.<br />
The reality is that hospitals will have to take care of you  even if you cannot pay if you get an infectious disease for example than can spread all over if not treated etc and in a matter of life and death&#8230;someone has to pay!..</p>
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		<title>By: Tim R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Dr. Salem S for that erudite explication of my obsessive compulsive disorder concerning Islam. Tell me Doctor, when I worry about the destruction that fossil fuels and global warming are doing to planet earth is that a disorder too? When I worry about and am angered that some people are locked up for years at a time on petty drug charges, is that a disorder too? When I worry about the plight of people in Darfur, is that too an obsessive disorder? Or is it only a "disorder" when my thoughts happen to focus on the link between Islam and violence or something you happen to disagree with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dr. Salem S for that erudite explication of my obsessive compulsive disorder concerning Islam. Tell me Doctor, when I worry about the destruction that fossil fuels and global warming are doing to planet earth is that a disorder too? When I worry about and am angered that some people are locked up for years at a time on petty drug charges, is that a disorder too? When I worry about the plight of people in Darfur, is that too an obsessive disorder? Or is it only a &#8220;disorder&#8221; when my thoughts happen to focus on the link between Islam and violence or something you happen to disagree with?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Vajs, I don't know about your area in West Virginia, but here in New York City ( and other large cities) many hospital emergency rooms are overcrowded with illegal immigrants. Our tax dollars have to go to treat these people and to hire translators so the doctors know what is wrong with them.

Now don't get me wrong, I think anyone who is seriously ill, regardless of immigration status, should recieve prompt medical care--that is the humane and decent thing to do. However, in order to put a stop to this we need to fully secure our borders once and for all and deport many of the illegal aliens, especially the ones that have committed crimes while here. Many say that America can't be the world's policeman. Well, we certainly can't be the world's emergency room either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Vajs, I don&#8217;t know about your area in West Virginia, but here in New York City ( and other large cities) many hospital emergency rooms are overcrowded with illegal immigrants. Our tax dollars have to go to treat these people and to hire translators so the doctors know what is wrong with them.</p>
<p>Now don&#8217;t get me wrong, I think anyone who is seriously ill, regardless of immigration status, should recieve prompt medical care&#8211;that is the humane and decent thing to do. However, in order to put a stop to this we need to fully secure our borders once and for all and deport many of the illegal aliens, especially the ones that have committed crimes while here. Many say that America can&#8217;t be the world&#8217;s policeman. Well, we certainly can&#8217;t be the world&#8217;s emergency room either!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gearges Fair I really don't know what you are trying to say. but it must be mutual because you don't seem to have understood a thing I was saying either. I will make my point as simple as possible.

I don't want to pay taxes for ANYONE! Not congress not you not the poor not the rich not the smart or the stupid or the lame or the purple pink green or grey. 

When the government forces me to pay for someone else it is theft. Or more correctly extortion. If I don't pay they will use force or the threat of force to make me. 

I agree that a not for profit single pay system could work but it should not be forced on anyone at the point of a gun, and that is what happens if you refuse to pay your taxes.

Of course hospitals should be allowed to accept only the patients that can pay. Otherwise they go bankrupt like the one I worked for. They were mainly taking medicaid and medicare which was underpaying. they should have been allowed to kick them out too. 

Yes the insurance companies are a scam. However, they are a scam made possible by the goverment through a host of regulations.

Less Government = More Liberty.

Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gearges Fair I really don&#8217;t know what you are trying to say. but it must be mutual because you don&#8217;t seem to have understood a thing I was saying either. I will make my point as simple as possible.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to pay taxes for ANYONE! Not congress not you not the poor not the rich not the smart or the stupid or the lame or the purple pink green or grey. </p>
<p>When the government forces me to pay for someone else it is theft. Or more correctly extortion. If I don&#8217;t pay they will use force or the threat of force to make me. </p>
<p>I agree that a not for profit single pay system could work but it should not be forced on anyone at the point of a gun, and that is what happens if you refuse to pay your taxes.</p>
<p>Of course hospitals should be allowed to accept only the patients that can pay. Otherwise they go bankrupt like the one I worked for. They were mainly taking medicaid and medicare which was underpaying. they should have been allowed to kick them out too. </p>
<p>Yes the insurance companies are a scam. However, they are a scam made possible by the goverment through a host of regulations.</p>
<p>Less Government = More Liberty.</p>
<p>Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Gearges Fair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gearges Fair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BRAD: you are already paying members of Congress with you tax dollars like mine with the socialized health Insurance  they get from us taxpayers and you and I are not getting it.
You do not trust the governement handling a Single payer. The governement works very well ..it depends for whom.. It works very well for the Defense Contractors, The Drugs industries etc.. etc  you know what I mean!The IRS collect your money and refund what's due to you! Have they ever missed getting you your refund&#62; The Seniors love their Medicare health plan..unfortunately it has been taken over gradullay by the for profit system!
The single payer run by the governement and/or any other agency set up for exemple like a Public Utility company Entity will collect the premium and pay out the medical claims and set the limit of health care benefit!No different that My blue Cross PPO except it will be not for profit That's all! 
Someone has to pay for it..either thru our tax dollars (meaning you will be paying  with higher tax for it regardless if you want it or not...or thru a payroll tax system (like Fica Emplyoyee+employer Share)... and you will still be paying for it! What's the difference! Thru income tax or Payroll tax!

You do not want to pay! Again fine! Then you have to accept that a hospital should have the right NOT to treat you if you do not have the money and/or you do not want to pay a payroll tax for that insurance.

I am against a free health care system(Paid thru income taxes) because you have to make people contribute directly thru premium (or Payroll Tax)  with a co=pay to make people more responsible ..otherwiise it is like at a wedding. If the drink are free you consume more than  if you had to pay for them.

You are not a Republican but you sure talk like one.. where they have no problem with socializing the costs (or risks) with taxpayers money but they want the profits to be privatized.

You have to force everybody to pay into it , because we know the free loaders are going to want to be treated and not pay for it, if we let them decide if they want or not participate with the costs. You knw what the answer wiil be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BRAD: you are already paying members of Congress with you tax dollars like mine with the socialized health Insurance  they get from us taxpayers and you and I are not getting it.<br />
You do not trust the governement handling a Single payer. The governement works very well ..it depends for whom.. It works very well for the Defense Contractors, The Drugs industries etc.. etc  you know what I mean!The IRS collect your money and refund what&#8217;s due to you! Have they ever missed getting you your refund&gt; The Seniors love their Medicare health plan..unfortunately it has been taken over gradullay by the for profit system!<br />
The single payer run by the governement and/or any other agency set up for exemple like a Public Utility company Entity will collect the premium and pay out the medical claims and set the limit of health care benefit!No different that My blue Cross PPO except it will be not for profit That&#8217;s all!<br />
Someone has to pay for it..either thru our tax dollars (meaning you will be paying  with higher tax for it regardless if you want it or not&#8230;or thru a payroll tax system (like Fica Emplyoyee+employer Share)&#8230; and you will still be paying for it! What&#8217;s the difference! Thru income tax or Payroll tax!</p>
<p>You do not want to pay! Again fine! Then you have to accept that a hospital should have the right NOT to treat you if you do not have the money and/or you do not want to pay a payroll tax for that insurance.</p>
<p>I am against a free health care system(Paid thru income taxes) because you have to make people contribute directly thru premium (or Payroll Tax)  with a co=pay to make people more responsible ..otherwiise it is like at a wedding. If the drink are free you consume more than  if you had to pay for them.</p>
<p>You are not a Republican but you sure talk like one.. where they have no problem with socializing the costs (or risks) with taxpayers money but they want the profits to be privatized.</p>
<p>You have to force everybody to pay into it , because we know the free loaders are going to want to be treated and not pay for it, if we let them decide if they want or not participate with the costs. You knw what the answer wiil be!</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The easier question is: what is not wrong with the United States, which will take a lot less time to delineate.

Systematic incompetence is part of the problem. But it cannot be grasped in a few sentences.

As a young academic I spent many long years in the Late Roman Empire, among other places, and I remember during those years one of the questions that kept recurring--how could a whole society somehow miss a simple and obvious solution to this or that problem, and opt for the worst choice in every gambit?

I am no longer that young, and by choice no longer an academic, and I will not say I have a clear answer yet, but I suspect I am considerably closer to it, I think, than I was then.

Part of the answer hinges on accountability, not as punishment or revenge, but simply as a matter of necessary social and economic feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The easier question is: what is not wrong with the United States, which will take a lot less time to delineate.</p>
<p>Systematic incompetence is part of the problem. But it cannot be grasped in a few sentences.</p>
<p>As a young academic I spent many long years in the Late Roman Empire, among other places, and I remember during those years one of the questions that kept recurring&#8211;how could a whole society somehow miss a simple and obvious solution to this or that problem, and opt for the worst choice in every gambit?</p>
<p>I am no longer that young, and by choice no longer an academic, and I will not say I have a clear answer yet, but I suspect I am considerably closer to it, I think, than I was then.</p>
<p>Part of the answer hinges on accountability, not as punishment or revenge, but simply as a matter of necessary social and economic feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, we seem to be on the same page. Much of my thinking, partly by training perhaps, is conditional and contingent, and that may apply to what you see as differences in regard to "implementation".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, we seem to be on the same page. Much of my thinking, partly by training perhaps, is conditional and contingent, and that may apply to what you see as differences in regard to &#8220;implementation&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last rant.

 What is wrong with the US?  The Dems had a chance to actually vote in a great man and they blew it, same for the Republicans. What is wrong with us, are we stupid or just that easily led?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last rant.</p>
<p> What is wrong with the US?  The Dems had a chance to actually vote in a great man and they blew it, same for the Republicans. What is wrong with us, are we stupid or just that easily led?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems we have similar ideas with differing points on implemantation. I think we both get that we live under an increasingly fascist system. In that coporations have highjacked the government for the benifit of corporations. It is no longer of the people by the people for the people but of the corporation by the corporation for the corporation. Dennis Kucinich is very strong on anti-corporatism which is great. Ron Paul is strong on anti-government which is great. The problem is that without getting rid of both how will it get any better?

I know it's a differnt topic but I just couldn't help myself.

Of course there a about a million definitions of Fascism. but for me it's easy enough to understand (if not define) the current fascism we live under.

Corporations use undue influence to influence our government who uses nationalism and religion to wage wars both internal and external for the benifit of the cororations without regard for the people.

In other words, wave the flag bring up God and the sheep will follow. The corporations get rich the people die and who cares as long as it's all done in the name of God and Country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems we have similar ideas with differing points on implemantation. I think we both get that we live under an increasingly fascist system. In that coporations have highjacked the government for the benifit of corporations. It is no longer of the people by the people for the people but of the corporation by the corporation for the corporation. Dennis Kucinich is very strong on anti-corporatism which is great. Ron Paul is strong on anti-government which is great. The problem is that without getting rid of both how will it get any better?</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s a differnt topic but I just couldn&#8217;t help myself.</p>
<p>Of course there a about a million definitions of Fascism. but for me it&#8217;s easy enough to understand (if not define) the current fascism we live under.</p>
<p>Corporations use undue influence to influence our government who uses nationalism and religion to wage wars both internal and external for the benifit of the cororations without regard for the people.</p>
<p>In other words, wave the flag bring up God and the sheep will follow. The corporations get rich the people die and who cares as long as it&#8217;s all done in the name of God and Country?</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>corr: "not that much different"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>corr: &#8220;not that much different&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I agree with the underlying point--given my druthers, I would get both employers and employees out of all insurance benefits too, and make them strictly individual and voluntary.

That probably cannot be done consitutionally, however, since employment is voluntary.

I say here only that what the employers offer, required or gratuitious, and also including Labor unions, in the way of "Health Benefits" is mostly another version of the same old corporate frauds, in which the private insurers, and after them the employers and union leadership, are the main beneficiaries, not the insured.

I have a rather drawn out set of reasons why, Libertarian in thrust, but it is in concept that much different from what Kucinich is getting at, which seems closer to the present German system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I agree with the underlying point&#8211;given my druthers, I would get both employers and employees out of all insurance benefits too, and make them strictly individual and voluntary.</p>
<p>That probably cannot be done consitutionally, however, since employment is voluntary.</p>
<p>I say here only that what the employers offer, required or gratuitious, and also including Labor unions, in the way of &#8220;Health Benefits&#8221; is mostly another version of the same old corporate frauds, in which the private insurers, and after them the employers and union leadership, are the main beneficiaries, not the insured.</p>
<p>I have a rather drawn out set of reasons why, Libertarian in thrust, but it is in concept that much different from what Kucinich is getting at, which seems closer to the present German system.</p>
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