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Today Congress passed a resolution (HR 951) condemning Palestinian rocket attacks that include a strident defense of recent Israeli tactics in the Gaza Strip. The resolution also condemned Iran and Syria for “sponsoring terror attacks,” and demanded that Saudi Arabia publicly condemn Palestinian actions.
The resolution was originally introduced in January, but contains new language including a passage saying that that “those responsible for launching rocket attacks against Israel routinely embed their production facilities and launch sites amongst the Palestinian civilian population, utilizing them as human shields” and “the inadvertent inflicting of civilian casualties as a result of defensive military operations aimed at military targets, while deeply regrettable, is not at all morally equivalent to the deliberate targeting of civilian populations as practiced by Hamas and other Gaza-based terrorist groups.”
Although 23 Congressman abstained or voted “present,” only one bravely voted no: Rep. Ron Paul.
What a bunch of cowards, quislings, and traitors we have representing us.
Does anyone else feel like the lobby has made absolute fools out of us all?
Answer to Madrid, me too.
Lobby controls and RUNS the new Evil Empire, every revolution or EXPERIMENT ends this way.
Only tiny minority can not and will not be BOUGHT, Dr. Paul is one of them.
I’m disappointed to see that even Paul Broun of GA voted for the resolution.
The added text says Hamas is deliberately targeting civilians. Yet the linked JTA article says: “More than 100 Palestinians and three Israelis have been killed since last Wednesday.” I can understand the high Palestinian casualties IF it’s true that they fire from civilian areas, BUT I’m always at a loss as to how Israeli casualties are so incredibly low considering Hamas is supposedly targeting civilian areas.
I remember CNN mentioning also that the three Isrealis killed with soldiers in Gaza. Taken together, it all reminds me of 2000.
*correction: “with” should be “were”.
The answer is while Hamas is using relatively primative rockets with minimal accuracy and targeting capability, thus using area targets. Israel strikes back with 4th generational (F-22 would be 5th generational) precision matched only by the United States. So why so many deaths? Well, they don’t care about collateral damage. They probably do not have any sort of go/no-go criteria for the number of exceptable civilian deaths. Yes Hamas calculates the probable counter-attack and likely casualties as part of winning in the media; there is pain in watching this unfold but both sides are getting what they want. Both enjoy the struggle and emotional roller-coaster.
I FIND YOUR USE OF THE WORD “ENJOY” TO DESCRIBE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO PALESTINIANS!! BUT I WOULD GRREATLY ENJOY SEEING YOU IN THE LINE OF RACIST/ZIONIST FIRE!
Even Keith Ellison voted for this piece of garbage.
Israel is an illegal state that was artificially created by the UN, the colonial powers and Biblical propaganda. The indigenous Palestinian population refuse to accept it and the war will go on until Israel is wiped clean off the map.
It is only then that they will come to realize that the mighty hand of imperialism is no match for the creeping sands of the desert.
Glad to know Ron Paul will be in the Congress for many years to come!
Ron Paul a True Patriot and American Congressman and working for America, Rest seems like working for Israel.
When I saw that “-1″, I was like, “Please let that be Ron Paul,” and of course it was. I’m going to write him in this November, he’s still the only one I can vote for. At least he’s in congress, and hopefully has a much higher profile now. He knows he has backing now, that there are people out there who do care that he’s fighting for us.
We need to redesign the American flag with 50 stars of David.
Well, actually there already is such a thing (sort of).
Some time ago, Bush was speaking infront of AIPAC.
Behind him was a large Star-spanlge banner, with yellow stars of David in the white stripes.
I only know of this from print reporting, not actual pics.
Has anyone ever seen and saved that picture and could repost it? It should get more publicity
I have several Jewish friends who I have discussed this with and one very close Jewish friend who is my best friend. We both agree that there is a big difference between being anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish. He, like me, does not condone the murderous regime in control of Israel at this time. He, like me, realizes that only MEANINGFUL dialogue and a chance for Palestinian autonomy will stop the bloodshed. Israel cannot continue to dictate apartheid policies while condemning like policies around the world. This hypocritical stance only portrays Israel as dishonest and shameful. It has become crystal clear that the zionist regime in Israel desires complete hegemony over the entire Middle East and is happy to have the United States as its bitch to wage war against its enemies. The sooner cooler heads in Israel prevail, and as soon as the flatulent senators and congressmen in the U.S. are replaced with real MEN of character and backbone, the better for us all.
When has Israel criticized apartheid? When South Africa had apartheid, Israel was its most steadfast supporter.
Shema Yisrael!
Shema elhod!
God Bless Ron Paul!
404-1? Such a vote can be expected in the Duma of the USSR, but in our Congress? What the…oh yeah, it involves Israel. Never mind…
Israel is probably blackmailing all those in congress
Aid and rights groups are calling the situation in Gaza a humanitarian crisis (created by Israel) and the House of Ill Repute votes 404-1 to condemn the Palestinians.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080306/wl_nm/palestinians_israel_humanitarian_dc
Israel murders children playing soccer and kills many more Palestinians in a day than Qassam rockets have killed Israelis in history and the Parliament of Prostitutes votes 404-1 to condemn the Palestinians.
Anyone who votes for any of those 404 is a traitor.
Flatulent Senators & Congress? I never knew they had a gas problem. What I don’t understand is why congress passes or discusses at least so many resolutions that have no bearing on Americans or anything that really matters. The most successful bills it seems are ones that recognize or condemn something. I didn’t vote for my representatives to just issues statements…I’d like them to actually do something while they are in office. Of course I don’t want them taking any action on this terrible resolution.
Serious, what is congress doing? Supporting this war is no way to make peace. We need to be an honest broker, not taking sides with this kind of resolution.
The Zionist movement to reclaim the land based on early Biblical promises really caught fire with the Balfour Declaration that was favorably received by the Crown. The re-population of the land began and continued for years. Israel was then recognized by the League of Nations and subsequently by the United Nations.
The U.S. has sent foreign aid of over $100-billion to Israel since 1948. At the same time we have bought oil from and sent aid to the surrounding nations who are hell bent on destroying every one in Israel. What kind of stupid foreign policy is that?
There are irreconcilable problems on both sides. The Koran is the germ that drives the Muslims to want to rid Israel from what they consider to be their land, and of course they did occupy it for a long time. Then there is the interpretation of scripture on the part of the Zionists that make a divine claim for the same land.
In my view they are both wrong. Islam is simple idolatry and their book has no marks of authenticity. And, for the Zionists, the promises to the land were completely fulfilled over three thousand years ago. (Josh 23:14) Nothing failed thereof that God had promised.
I am not a racist as in my view there is only one race, the human race. And, in my humble opinion there will never be peace in the area unless it is through the Prince of Peace.
But, given the hardness of heart on both sides, there is little chance of that. I am a proud supporter of Dr. Paul!
DX10,
“The Zionist movement to reclaim the land based on early Biblical promises really caught fire with the Balfour Declaration that was favorably received by the Crown.”
This may be true in part, but probably more important to the Zionist movement was the change in US immigration laws in the 1920s. I won’t go into detail here, but I will refer you to Gabriel Kolko’s June 2, 2007 article “Israel: Mythologizing a 20th Century Accident.”
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/kolko.php?articleid=11058
Thanks.
DX10,
If you missed this article by Gabriel Kolko, you should find it enlightening:
Israel: Mythologizing a 20th Century Accident
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/kolko.php?articleid=11058
And, thanks.
DX10,
Please excuse the second posting. The first one evidently had to go through the bowels of the Internet before it appeared on this page. It is the first time I have experienced any delay in the posting of a comment on this site. The second comment did post immediately while the first one was still missing in action.
One detail you neglect: The mostly European Zionists who came to Palestine at the beginning of the twentieth century ‘re-populated’ Palestine while ethnically cleansing it of over a million indigenous Palestinian Arabs in the late 1940s. They then continued their policy of annihilation of the local Arab population through segregation laws and racist policies, as well as by force. When they conquered the now Occupied Territories, this scenario was replayed, all be it at a somewhat smaller scale with further ethnic cleansing and continued colonization of the newly acquired territory, along with brutal tactics such as house demolishions, assassinations, and other imaginative acts of violence.
This is not an even playing field between the Palestinians and the Israelis.
I was aware of this history. Thanks.
DX10,
I do not know of anyone who accuesed of being a racist.But your comments:”The Koran is the germ that drives the Muslims to want to rid Israel from what they consider to be their land,…”,”In my view they are both wrong. Islam is simple idolatry and their book has no marks of authenticity.”speak valumes of who you really are.
I think they are both wrong. You think, perhaps that they are both right? Whatever.
Chris,
what the Zionists did (ethnic cleansing through terror), can’t ultimately be seen as all that wrong, if one has no qualms with what happened in Europe after WWII ended.
Look at what was done with all the German civilians in the territories annexed by the USSR & Poland, as well as in Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Serbia, etc. No one feels that to be wrong.
Or look at the ethnic cleansing of Poles by the USSR from western Ukraine, Byelorussia.
Or any of the cleansings done in the Balkans in the last 15 years, the last being the ethnic cleansing of the Serbs BY THE Albanians in Kosovo under the blind eye of the UN.
And of course there is Tibet.
All are the same, so Israel has no obligation to change, so long as the West refuses to talk about the above and to condemn it.
As to the Balfour declaration, if you google it enough, you will see that the Declaration was payback for getting the US (despite overwhelming popular opposition) into WWI. GB and France were about finished in 1917, and only the US entry saved their hide. For that, for the GB to give away something they did not own in the first place (Ottoman Empire territory), was a small prive to pay.
I’m afraid that the bunch of monkeys that represent us in the Congress would not know how to determine “moral equivalence”. The end result of killing people (bad guys and good guys) is the final statistic that God will judge. The Lebanon incursion in 2006 and the current disproportionate killing of persons in Gaza can never be justified. But what can you expect from a group that has the blood of 100,000 to 1,000,000 Iraqis on their hands. So much for Christian ethics.
Less than monkeys, much more bestial, are the inhabitants of the US Congress.
Can someone please explain something to me. We keep hearing about the notion of “land for peace.” Well, Israel totally pulled out of Gaza. They forcibly and involuntarily removed about 7,000 Jews (some of whom had lived there for more than 30 years). They did what the Palestinians demanded. They “ethnically cleansed” Gaza of all Jews, made sure it was “Judenrien.”
So now what? I know your going to tell me Gaza is still under “siege” and Israel controls the border. Well, what would you like Israel to do, NOT have a border? So the story goes that Gaza is under “siege.” In fact, Israel, a nation with less than one half of one percent of the land area of the 20+ Arab Muslim nations that surround her, is laying siege to the whole Middle East, isn’t she? A tiny land of 6 million Jews, totally surrounded by over 200 million Arabs is the evil, wicked aggressor.
And so Israel gave up land, but where is the peace? They continue to fire thousands of rockets at the town of Sderot. And its the same deal in Lebannon, they fully pull out (as certified by the United Nations) and Hezbollah keeps attacking. I don’t think some of these people want peace. I think its all a game of smoke and mirrors. I watched TV on 9/11/01, these are the same people that were dancing in the streets, singing “Allah Ahkbar,” and celebrating in joyful revelry as thousands of Americans were being burned alive.
There is much you do not know. The only reasons Israel removed Jews from Gaza were to relocate them in the occupied West Bank and to turn Gaza into a concentration camp it could attack with impunity. Israel has been trying to slowly starve the residents of Gaza. It has killed hundreds of Palestinians there in the last three years before any rockets flew. Read the link I posted above about how Israel has turned Gaza into the worst humanitarian crisis in the region in 40 years. As for people dancing in the streets o 9/11/01, don’t forget about the Israeli agents who were doing that from the Meadowlands as they watched the towers burn. Read about it below:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/israelis-arrested-9-11.htm
Well, Israel totally pulled out of Gaza. They forcibly and involuntarily removed about 7,000 Jews (some of whom had lived there for more than 30 years). They did what the Palestinians demanded. They “ethnically cleansed” Gaza of all Jews, made sure it was “Judenrien.”
This was a purely symbolic gesture that masked the shallowness of Israel’s supposed “commitment to peace” initiated when the Gaza settlements were no longer geopolitically remunerative. Israel still retains control of air space, territorial waters, offshore maritime access, the population registry, entry of foreigners, imports and exports as well as the tax system, so its claim of “withdrawal” is spurious, as it relegated Gaza to its subsidiary, the Palestinian Authority.
So now what? I know your going to tell me Gaza is still under “siege” and Israel controls the border. Well, what would you like Israel to do, NOT have a border? So the story goes that Gaza is under “siege.” In fact, Israel, a nation with less than one half of one percent of the land area of the 20+ Arab Muslim nations that surround her, is laying siege to the whole Middle East, isn’t she? A tiny land of 6 million Jews, totally surrounded by over 200 million Arabs is the evil, wicked aggressor.
Stop trying to confuse the issue. Israel’s laying siege to Gaza and has been since mid-2007, a tiny strip of territory containing 1.5 million people hemmed in on all sides and driven to acts of desperation by externally imposed privation. Furthermore, you seem tied to a non-sequitur: the magnitude of Israel’s assault does not determine its morality, as you implication would have it, and your counterposition of relative populations merely serves as a rhetorical false limb with which to distract.
And so Israel gave up land, but where is the peace? They continue to fire thousands of rockets at the town of Sderot. And its the same deal in Lebannon, they fully pull out (as certified by the United Nations) and Hezbollah keeps attacking. I don’t think some of these people want peace. I think its all a game of smoke and mirrors. I watched TV on 9/11/01, these are the same people that were dancing in the streets, singing “Allah Ahkbar,” and celebrating in joyful revelry as thousands of Americans were being burned alive.
It so happens that Israel began an economic boycott of Gaza back in 2006 in response to Hamas’ electoral victory, and not any act of aggression. A brief comparison would be apposite: a staggering total of thirteen Israelis have died from rocket attacks since 2000, whereas 1,259 out of 2,679 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces during the same period were civilians. Human Rights Watch determined in a 2007 report that Israel had not monitored the assault on civilian areas or launched an independent investigation thereof. For a state so heavy on humanitarian rhetoric, the distribution of deaths at Israeli hands is slightly odd, to say the least.
Oh yes, Israel pulled out of Gaza. And as you implicitly noted, Tim R., Gaza is still under siege. Imagine that you live in a city from which you cannot leave. Your water, food, medicine, electricity, in fact all necessary supplies, are stingily doled out to you or withheld completely. At any time, for any reason.
The land your father held is now squatted upon by Israeli settlers and your orchards and olive trees bulldozed. Whenever Hamas extends a ceasefire offer Israel shrugs and talks of preconditions while laughing up its sleeve about its promises to keep to the Road Map.
Apparently you think all Gazans should suffer for a few celebrating 9/11. Thus, as another poster notes, you must think all Israelis should suffer because a few here celebrated even as the towers burned, that all American blacks should suffer because some were happy to hear that Ronald Reagan was shot, in fact, that group identity means we (America and Israel) get to slaughter and bully innocent and guilty alike, even if the guilty are few.
Have you the slightest idea of how utterly immoral you sound? If you tremble in fear like this before several thousand men with ancient rifles and home-made bombs, you probably would have crapped your pants daily during WWII. America, home of the brave?
R. Nelson writes: “Oh yes, Israel pulled out of Gaza. And as you implicitly noted, Tim R., Gaza is still under siege. Imagine that you live in a city from which you cannot leave. Your water, food, medicine, electricity, in fact all necessary supplies, are stingily doled out to you or withheld completely. At any time, for any reason.”
We are very much in agreement on the humanitarian side. Food, water, medicine etc., should NEVER be withheld. In fact, Israel should do even more than that. They should do everything in their power to make sure that the civilians in Gaza have an abundance of these things and are well cared for. We are not in disagreement on that.
However, the fact of the matter is that Israel did pull out and they were promised peace. They never got peace. What did they get? The Palestinians had free and fair elections and they elected HAMAS, a group that is dedicated to the complete destruction of Israel. Israel is far from perfect, but two wrongs don’t make a right. So please stop using the plight of Palestinians as a justification or rationalization for rocket attacks and support of terrorism.
Israel has created a ghetto for the Palestinians in Gaza. Gaza is cut off from Israel and from the surrounding arab countries by land and by sea, they rely on Israel for their barest needs in food, water, electricity, and employment. If Israel decides to cut off fuel, then the Palestinians do without. If they cut off electricity, then they sit in the dark. If Israel shuts the border, then the Palestinians don’t go to work.
Gaza is a prison. And you wonder why the Palestinians are restless?
Ron, Israel did not “give up” any land. The ILLEGAL settlers were taking land within the boundaries of the Palestinian territory.
The “rockets” being launched at Sderot are vintage, unlike the bombs dropped from IAF helicopters on unsuspecting civilians, IDF snippers indescriminately killing women, children, the elderly, IDF bulldozers knocking down homes WITHOUT notice and WITH people inside (just ask Rachael Correy).
Israel has made Gaza a huge prison and is not allowing medical treatment, food, or other basic human necessities into the territory. It is obvious Israel doesn’t want peace. With all their grand “intelligence”, they haven’t located and taken out those rocket launchers? Give me a break.
Were they really dancing on 9/11? You mean, like the Israeli’s in New Jersey that were celebrating and filming the “event”? Hmmmm, I smell “false flag” here. Yes, I remember the Lavon Affair and I also think the bombing of the U.S.S. Liberty was deliberate.
If you think the Zionists are so just, go live there.
I remember that footage of people “dancing in the streets” on 9/11. It was the same ten seconds and the same tight shot of about seven people, shown over and over again.
The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David). Furthermore it states that we are forbidden to rebel against the nations and that we should remain loyal citizens and we shall not attempt to leave the exile which G-d sent us into, ahead of time.
The government in Israel is no more representative of the Jewish faith than the government in the US is representative of the Christian faith.
But what about the Holocaust?
Yet some Americans still ask that stupid question, “Why do they hate us?”
You sure you weren’t watching the dancing Israelis In New Jersey? And those horrible rockets have killed how many women & children as compared to Israeli attacks? Remain in Zion, brother.
The body count was 33.3 Palestinians for every Israeli killed. Most of the Palestinian victims were civilians,and many children died. The dimwitted 404-1 Congressional vote in support of this massacre (save Ron Paul) is precisely why we have problems in the Arab and Muslim world.
The gang in Israel is worse than Hitler prior to WW2.Hitler had his worse prewar pogram on Kristalknacht 1938,about a hundred Jews died.The Israeli murderers and thieves have been averaging at least 100 a month for the last 8 years.Tim R. quit justfing the crimes of the Zionazi terrorists.
Please Tim R, do not justify what is going on in Gaza.If you won’t let the Palistinans go, give them full civil rights and reparations for the stolen land and all the murders with the right to return.
I stand with Ron Paul. Who are these cowardly Americans that stand with foreign governments and send our troops to die in foreign deserts? We have cowards for leaders paid off and bribe by foreign countries. When is the revolution? Let’s get in on!
And we’re meant to expect “change” with a Congress like this?
At least the good part is the jewish news isn’t slandering Ron for his vote.
“The sole vote against was U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) who preaches the reduction of U.S. involvement in overseas conflicts.”
How is it that so many people who never had a ‘real’ job, after
just a few terms in congress, become millionaires?
Is congressional pay that good? Just does not add up, does it?
Something smells fishy there. Where are they getting all that
money from, or, who? Keep electing the same crooks and liars
and you expect change? We need 427 Ron Pauls in Congress. He
alone stands for ‘America’. The rest are traitors.
Re-Elect No One! Except Ron Paul!
Christian Meier, Res Publica Amissa. Eine Studie zu Verfassung und Geschichte der späten römischen Republik (Frankfurt 1997).
A criteria to apply for and becoming member-state of the European Union is to have abolished the death penalty. And yet you don’t hear one peep from the EU concerning the almost daily undiscriminate killing of Palestinians that have not been charged, tried or convicted of anything. They get killed for being Palestinians. Or militant Palestinians. Or possibly members of a terrorist organization. As if that should matter. They end up dead anyway. Shame on the EU. And shame on the US Congress. Actually, shame on us all.
I think it’s my childhood fascinations with Greek mythology and science fiction that causes me to cringe at vote tallies like this one. From my vantage, 404-1 makes Dr Paul look more like a Cassandra than a patriot.
“A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated. But an authentic soothsayer should be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved.”
~Robert Heinlein
Cassandra was a Trojan patriot, one of a very few. Why would truthtelling exclude both courage and honesty?
As far as I can tell, not having read Heinlein’s work which contains the above quote, it could have well been uttered by a vile tyrant upset by someone who injures his reign with truth.
one has only to study the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising to understand what is happening in Gaza.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
In 1940, the Nazis began concentrating Poland’s population of over 3 million Jews into a number of extremely crowded ghettos located in various Polish cities. The largest of these, the Warsaw Ghetto, concentrated approximately 400,000 people into a densely packed central area of Warsaw. Thousands of Jews died due to rampant disease and starvation, even before the Nazis began their massive deportations from the ghetto to the Treblinka extermination camp
The Quiet Occupation :
http://antiwar.com/hacohen/?articleid=7762
The situation this vote underscores is sickening but Members of Congress are trapped in it as much as the rest of us. Why would they be expected to commit political suicide for the sake of a meaningless resolution? The mystery is how Ron Paul gets away with ti.
An invention called ‘the Jewish people’
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/959229.html
Wasn’t Gaza controlled by Egypt prior to 1967?
I’m curious, can anyone on here find old newspaper articles or any evidence that the Palestinians were fighting for their land at that time? Ostensibly, there should have been a great outcry against Eygpt at that time, correct? Egypt was surely blamed for the suffering of the Palestinains and the Palestinians were demanding their independence, correct? They probably launched terrorist attacks against their Egyption oppressors, correct?
Same deal with Jordan, prior to the 1967 war all of West Bank and East Jeruslem was controlled by the Kingdom of Jordan. There must have been a great outcry at the time, correct? The Palestinians must have demanded a state of their own and they probably had radical groups carrying out terrorist attacks against the Jordanian soldiers that were oppressing them and stealing their land, correct?
And what is your point of all of that?What are you trying to prove?
Speaking of Terrorism and Gaza here is some late breaking news off CNN and MSNBC. So
JERUSALEM (CNN)
…Video from the scene showed a frantic crowd of rescue workers carrying bloodied victims into ambulances. Dozens of police officers were scouring the campus and surrounding streets.
Police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld said: “They opened fire on innocent youngsters studying. A number of students have been killed.”
And MEANWHILE…..what was happening when the good, peaceful citizens of Gaza heard about this?
“CNN’s Ben Wedeman in Gaza reported celebratory shooting shortly after the attack”
And how abut those peaceful, kind, and gentle HAMAS activists?
MSNBC reports: “Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said the group “blesses the heroic operation in Jerusalem, which was a natural reaction to the Zionist massacre.”
So they bless people and call them heroic when they kill innocent people? What if Israe intentionally killed 7 innocent students today and then an Israeli spokesperson called it “heroic” and “blessed” the people that carried it out? The outrage and condemnation would be heard around the world! But for HAMAS and people in Gaza to celebrate, that’s ok right? I mean, come on people, and I the only one that sees the hypocracy in this?
The Palestinians answer murder with murder. Is this praiseworthy? Of course not. Is it predictable? Absolutely, given human nature. Who would know more about glorifying slaughter than we Americans, who think nothing of directly and indirectly killing hundreds of thousands of people of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, while singing the praises of our leaders who are responsible?
So, Tim R., after your wife dies in childbirth at an Israeli checkpoint, your father’s land is taken, your children are hungry, your cousin is killed while playing soccer, and you are given less freedom than a laboratory rat, what might be your natural reaction even to so heinous a crime as the yeshiva shooting? I mourn for the slain of both sides, while recognizing that one side is more sinned against than sinning.
Tim R - “What if Israel intentionally killed 7 innocent students today and then an Israeli spokesperson called it “heroic” and “blessed” the people that carried it out?”
Well, that pretty much happened last week with 120 or so dead Palestinians, so what’s your point?