Comments on: State Dept: Criticism of Israel = Anti-Semitism? http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/ Tue, 13 May 2008 18:24:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: loved blueneck http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-149223 loved blueneck Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:09:10 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-149223 @brad smith.... so you are saying that Sabra and Chatilla, Der Yassin...are just figments of the imagination of antisemites.....right? stop talking about something you know nothing about. Yor ignorance is only willful. @brad smith….

so you are saying that Sabra and Chatilla, Der Yassin…are just figments of the imagination of antisemites…..right?
stop talking about something you know nothing about. Yor ignorance is only willful.

]]> By: reader http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-147426 reader Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:56:02 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-147426 State Dept: Criticism of Israel = Anti-Semitism? According to Raimondo's latest article, criticism of China is Sinophobic My god, China censors what their own citizens, who are mostly Chinese btw, can read on the Internet. They cracked down in big way on information coming in and goung out via the Internet, and removed all reporters from Tibet, and shut off the landline phones and electricity (some people still in there got info out via cellphone). How totalitarian does it get? I have nothing against the Chinese people themselves, just like I have nothing against Israelis if I criticize Israel policy. I am sorry to put this on your thread which isn't about China, I just had to get this off my chest. State Dept: Criticism of Israel = Anti-Semitism?

According to Raimondo’s latest article, criticism of China is Sinophobic

My god, China censors what their own citizens, who are mostly Chinese btw, can read on the Internet. They cracked down in big way on information coming in and goung out via the Internet, and removed all reporters from Tibet, and shut off the landline phones and electricity (some people still in there got info out via cellphone). How totalitarian does it get?

I have nothing against the Chinese people themselves, just like I have nothing against Israelis if I criticize Israel policy.

I am sorry to put this on your thread which isn’t about China, I just had to get this off my chest.

]]> By: justaguy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-144752 justaguy Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:03:06 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-144752 Many Jews were driven from their homes in majority Muslim countries by Zionist terrorism in the form of false flag attacks too Timmy. There is ample credible evidence of this, the most notable being the bombings in Baghdad. Many Jews were driven from their homes in majority Muslim countries by Zionist terrorism in the form of false flag attacks too Timmy. There is ample credible evidence of this, the most notable being the bombings in Baghdad.

]]> By: justaguy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-144748 justaguy Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:59:46 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-144748 Oh, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, you are so full of misinformation and propaganda by omission. This "tax" you continue to refer to....under Sharia, is it greater than the tithe imposed on the muslim population? I know the answer but I'd like to see how you try to spin it. Oh, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, you are so full of misinformation and propaganda by omission.

This “tax” you continue to refer to….under Sharia, is it greater than the tithe imposed on the muslim population?

I know the answer but I’d like to see how you try to spin it.

]]> By: Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-143583 Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:37:15 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-143583 ...No doubt, that what you are prescient enough to see is that we here, on this forum are present witnesses to a subversion of discourse founded on State sponsored--and worse, Legislated fear. These actions euphamistically known, and acknowledged, as Political Correctness, Hate Speech and other such subjective epithets and opinions that are in reality implements of a new tyranny. These both Partisan against, and defiant of The 1st Amendment if not freedom of thought itself. ...Coming events never fail to cast their shadows beforehand...and I for one do not like what they portend...Trust me gentlemen: You won't either. …No doubt, that what you are prescient enough to see is that we here, on this forum are present witnesses to a subversion of discourse founded on State sponsored–and worse, Legislated fear. These actions euphamistically known, and acknowledged, as Political Correctness, Hate Speech and other such subjective epithets and opinions that are in reality implements of a new tyranny. These both Partisan against, and defiant of The 1st Amendment if not freedom of thought itself.

…Coming events never fail to cast their shadows beforehand…and I for one do not like what they portend…Trust me gentlemen: You won’t either.

]]> By: Dave http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-143441 Dave Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:09:02 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-143441 Notice the ever so incremental increase in the control of our discourse. This is how the enslavement begins - it was similar in the Soviet Union after "the same tribe" obtained their ruthless control over their subjects which resulted in "anti-Semitic statements being a capital offense" (kinda lets you know who was in charge then). Anyway,all of us should take a solemn oath amongst one another to resist these small but noteworthy steps towards the end game that is slowly unfolding. WE MUST NEVER FORGET Notice the ever so incremental increase in the control of our discourse.
This is how the enslavement begins - it was similar in the Soviet Union after “the same tribe” obtained their ruthless control over their subjects which resulted in “anti-Semitic statements being a capital offense” (kinda lets you know who was in charge then).
Anyway,all of us should take a solemn oath amongst one another to resist these small but noteworthy steps towards the end game that is slowly unfolding.
WE MUST NEVER FORGET

]]> By: St.Jimmy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-143141 St.Jimmy Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:32:32 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-143141 Tim, please do not refer to the Qur'an as "the damned thing" do you understand? I wouldn't disrespect whatever faith you might practice like that so don't disrespect mine or anyone else's. I'm sure you're unintentionally misquoting Surah 9 which is called At-Tauba. In Arabic this means "The Repentance". I encourage you to read the whole thing and consider it as a whole. Clearly this Surah is in part about holding treaties with other tribes during that time period and it specifically orders the Muslims to not attack anyone that decides to leave them alone and have peace with them (9:5). It also orders the Muslims to grant non-Muslims, even the ones who are considered idolators protection if they sincerely ask for it (9:6). Muslims are forbidden from attacking anyone unprovoked for any reason. Also, I would like to warn you to please be careful with some translations of the Qur'an. A lot of them are inaccurate or use terminology that Muslims understand but some non-Muslims might not. As you know, the Qur'an was revealed in Arabic and you lose a lot in a translation. Be assured that I wish you peace and that I hope I have been helpful to you. Tim, please do not refer to the Qur’an as “the damned thing” do you understand? I wouldn’t disrespect whatever faith you might practice like that so don’t disrespect mine or anyone else’s. I’m sure you’re unintentionally misquoting Surah 9 which is called At-Tauba. In Arabic this means “The Repentance”. I encourage you to read the whole thing and consider it as a whole. Clearly this Surah is in part about holding treaties with other tribes during that time period and it specifically orders the Muslims to not attack anyone that decides to leave them alone and have peace with them (9:5). It also orders the Muslims to grant non-Muslims, even the ones who are considered idolators protection if they sincerely ask for it (9:6). Muslims are forbidden from attacking anyone unprovoked for any reason. Also, I would like to warn you to please be careful with some translations of the Qur’an. A lot of them are inaccurate or use terminology that Muslims understand but some non-Muslims might not. As you know, the Qur’an was revealed in Arabic and you lose a lot in a translation. Be assured that I wish you peace and that I hope I have been helpful to you.

]]> By: The Clinton-Murdoch Nexus: Target --> Barack Obama | InformationPile.com http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-142789 The Clinton-Murdoch Nexus: Target --> Barack Obama | InformationPile.com Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:11:19 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-142789 [...] As for branding critics of Israel as anti-Semites, is Kessler really maintaining that this never happens? It’s the smear-of-first-resort of the Israel-first lobby, as professors John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt have recently discovered. Everyone knows that to traduce this terrain is to walk through a political minefield, which is why most American politicians scrupulously avoid it – a testament, by the way, to the trenchancy of the Mearsheimer-Walt thesis that the Israel lobby wields an inordinate and ultimately unhealthy influence over the conduct of American foreign policy. [...] [...] As for branding critics of Israel as anti-Semites, is Kessler really maintaining that this never happens? It’s the smear-of-first-resort of the Israel-first lobby, as professors John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt have recently discovered. Everyone knows that to traduce this terrain is to walk through a political minefield, which is why most American politicians scrupulously avoid it – a testament, by the way, to the trenchancy of the Mearsheimer-Walt thesis that the Israel lobby wields an inordinate and ultimately unhealthy influence over the conduct of American foreign policy. [...]

]]> By: Just As They Smeared Ron Paul « THE “G” BLOG @WordPress.com http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-142778 Just As They Smeared Ron Paul « THE “G” BLOG @WordPress.com Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:47:02 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-142778 [...] As for branding critics of Israel as anti-Semites, is Kessler really maintaining that this never happens? It’s the smear-of-first-resort of the Israel-first lobby, as professors John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt have recently discovered. Everyone knows that to traduce this terrain is to walk through a political minefield, which is why most American politicians scrupulously avoid it – a testament, by the way, to the trenchancy of the Mearsheimer-Walt thesis that the Israel lobby wields an inordinate and ultimately unhealthy influence over the conduct of American foreign policy. [...] [...] As for branding critics of Israel as anti-Semites, is Kessler really maintaining that this never happens? It’s the smear-of-first-resort of the Israel-first lobby, as professors John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt have recently discovered. Everyone knows that to traduce this terrain is to walk through a political minefield, which is why most American politicians scrupulously avoid it – a testament, by the way, to the trenchancy of the Mearsheimer-Walt thesis that the Israel lobby wields an inordinate and ultimately unhealthy influence over the conduct of American foreign policy. [...]

]]> By: Tim R. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-142659 Tim R. Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:57:45 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-142659 Dhimmi means they are "protected guests?" That's a creative way of putting it! You must be joking. Read the Quran, Surah 9 verse 29. When I have guests at my home I don't fight against them nor do I force them to pay a specical tax. Read the damn thing for yourself and maybe you will not be so ignorant. Dhimmi means they are “protected guests?” That’s a creative way of putting it! You must be joking. Read the Quran, Surah 9 verse 29. When I have guests at my home I don’t fight against them nor do I force them to pay a specical tax. Read the damn thing for yourself and maybe you will not be so ignorant.

]]> By: Tim R. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-142652 Tim R. Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:45:25 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-142652 Yes, Jack, and during WWII over 6 million Jews were killed. That was one third of the entire Jewish population of the world. That would be the equivalent of 100 million Americans being killed. What is your point anyway? As for the Palestinians, yes, some of them were driven from their homes and expelled. But so too were thousands of Jews expelled from Arab lands. Yes, Jack, and during WWII over 6 million Jews were killed. That was one third of the entire Jewish population of the world. That would be the equivalent of 100 million Americans being killed. What is your point anyway?

As for the Palestinians, yes, some of them were driven from their homes and expelled. But so too were thousands of Jews expelled from Arab lands.

]]> By: redman http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-142394 redman Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:24:08 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/03/14/state-dept-criticism-of-israel-anti-semitism/#comment-142394 I highly recommend the film "Battle of Algiers" to those who reactively assume that the targeted killing of civilians automatically marks the killers as less moral than the enemy they seek to depose. Killing of any kind is something we should all avoid if possible. But the unmistakable sympathy created for the film's protagonists (Algerian terrorists seeking to defeat an occupying imperial power)raises the question of the relativism (i.e. self-serving quality) of the west's current "moral" argument against the use of such tactics. You rarely hear today aspersions of moral inferiority cast against the American Indians who fought the "white man," often by attacking civilians. On the contrary, today it is more acceptable to say that the U.S. settlers were the immoral ones for taking the land in the first place, and that the Indians only responded as they could to defend their land. In addition, it has been documented that the Israelis targeted civilians (the Stern gang) in their early fight for a Zionist state. Like many of today's Americans, many of today's supporters of Israel would prefer to use the "morality" card to defend their hegemony; and both would be in the category of "do as I say NOT as I did, when I was as weak as you are today." The message taken is, "arm yourself with nuclear weapons, because only then you will able to fight on a FAIR playing field with civilized people like us." At least that is what it appears Iran has taken away from the west's pronouncements. Food for thought. I highly recommend the film “Battle of Algiers” to those who reactively assume that the targeted killing of civilians automatically marks the killers as less moral than the enemy they seek to depose.

Killing of any kind is something we should all avoid if possible. But the unmistakable sympathy created for the film’s protagonists (Algerian terrorists seeking to defeat an occupying imperial power)raises the question of the relativism (i.e. self-serving quality) of the west’s current “moral” argument against the use of such tactics.

You rarely hear today aspersions of moral inferiority cast against the American Indians who fought the “white man,” often by attacking civilians. On the contrary, today it is more acceptable to say that the U.S. settlers were the immoral ones for taking the land in the first place, and that the Indians only responded as they could to defend their land.

In addition, it has been documented that the Israelis targeted civilians (the Stern gang) in their early fight for a Zionist state. Like many of today’s Americans, many of today’s supporters of Israel would prefer to use the “morality” card to defend their hegemony; and both would be in the category of “do as I say NOT as I did, when I was as weak as you are today.” The message taken is, “arm yourself with nuclear weapons, because only then you will able to fight on a FAIR playing field with civilized people like us.” At least that is what it appears Iran has taken away from the west’s pronouncements.

Food for thought.

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