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		<title>By: Jessie</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-154032</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jessie...&lt;/strong&gt;

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush...</description>
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<p>A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-150595</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...You, are not only a deluded Goddamned fool that has elected to confuse Selective and Political Interpretations of the Law; but a complacent and trusting fool, that drastically underestimates the Intent and Power of the State, along with the designated authority of those the likes of John Yoo who have been charged with enhancing it further---Now, if you want to live in, or would feel more "Secure" as subject to a fuckin' Police State?---Fine---But I for one do not---Bear in mind. There is a place where the Law ends, and Aberrant Personalities Hell bent on a Dominion insured by LEGISLATED Tyranny begins. You seem to me incapable of making such crucial, if obvious distinctions---As such then, take a lesson from History even if men, i.e. men like you are always incapable meeting its demands: Left unchecked and unchallenged, such collective Pathology cum "Law" as we are now witness to, will only thrive, burgeon and prevail...You don't seem stupid, in which case I'd recommend you wise up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;You, are not only a deluded Goddamned fool that has elected to confuse Selective and Political Interpretations of the Law; but a complacent and trusting fool, that drastically underestimates the Intent and Power of the State, along with the designated authority of those the likes of John Yoo who have been charged with enhancing it further&#8212;Now, if you want to live in, or would feel more &#8220;Secure&#8221; as subject to a fuckin&#8217; Police State?&#8212;Fine&#8212;But I for one do not&#8212;Bear in mind. There is a place where the Law ends, and Aberrant Personalities Hell bent on a Dominion insured by LEGISLATED Tyranny begins. You seem to me incapable of making such crucial, if obvious distinctions&#8212;As such then, take a lesson from History even if men, i.e. men like you are always incapable meeting its demands: Left unchecked and unchallenged, such collective Pathology cum &#8220;Law&#8221; as we are now witness to, will only thrive, burgeon and prevail&#8230;You don&#8217;t seem stupid, in which case I&#8217;d recommend you wise up.</p>
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		<title>By: Weston</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-150453</link>
		<dc:creator>Weston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a scholar, he &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be operating with impunity.  As a citizen, he should be prosecuted for any crimes he has committed.  But it isn't the university's job to enforce the law, and it is the university's job to protect the free speech of its scholars.  As for Yoo's contentions becoming law?  Yoo's contention was about what the content of the law already was; I doubt very much that legal memos--or the sheer force of Yoo's will--can establish new law.  The sky may be falling, Chicken Little, but ultimately Yoo's contribution is a drop in the bucket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a scholar, he <i>should</i> be operating with impunity.  As a citizen, he should be prosecuted for any crimes he has committed.  But it isn&#8217;t the university&#8217;s job to enforce the law, and it is the university&#8217;s job to protect the free speech of its scholars.  As for Yoo&#8217;s contentions becoming law?  Yoo&#8217;s contention was about what the content of the law already was; I doubt very much that legal memos&#8211;or the sheer force of Yoo&#8217;s will&#8211;can establish new law.  The sky may be falling, Chicken Little, but ultimately Yoo&#8217;s contribution is a drop in the bucket.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-150296</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...To my mind Yoo is operating with virtual, if not utter impunity...What he contends, has become law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;To my mind Yoo is operating with virtual, if not utter impunity&#8230;What he contends, has become law.</p>
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		<title>By: Weston</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-150272</link>
		<dc:creator>Weston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone still glancing at this thread, &lt;a href="http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2008/04/once-more-int-1.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; is a link defending in detail the position I took above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone still glancing at this thread, <a href="http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2008/04/once-more-int-1.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> is a link defending in detail the position I took above.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-150032</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Hell yes, but I don't think Antonin Scalia would. In essence, the application of Law above the Division of Labor is Political, and thereby Subjective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Hell yes, but I don&#8217;t think Antonin Scalia would. In essence, the application of Law above the Division of Labor is Political, and thereby Subjective.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-149988</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yoo as war criminal prima facie a losing case--that is an interesting position.

Yoo disbarred, on the other hand, might be a no-brainer.

Attorneys do take various oaths, do they not?

Tenure is complex. It is always a matter of what has been contracted, but there are some obvious distinctions that one might wish to introduce between ordinary academic tenure and the special circumstances of tenure at a law school, and also between what differences there might be, if any, between tenured law professors who are lawyers and those who are not.

Your stance seems similar to that delineated by Dean of the Berkeley Law School in response to the American Freedom Campaign:

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Torture Memos and Academic Freedom&lt;/b&gt; 

Christopher Edley, Jr. 

The Honorable William H. Orrick, Jr. Distinguished Chair and Dean 

UC Berkeley Law School 

While serving in the Department of Justice, Professor John Yoo wrote memoranda that officials used as the legal basis for policies concerning detention and interrogation techniques in our efforts to combat terrorism. Both the subject and his reasoning are controversial, leading the New York Times (editorial, April 4), the National Lawyers' Guild, and hundreds of individuals from around the world to criticize or at least question Professor Yoo's continuing employment at U.C. Berkeley Law School. As dean, but speaking only for myself, I offer the following explanation, although with no expectation that it will be completely satisfying to anyone.

Professor Yoo began teaching at Berkeley Law in 1993, received tenure in 1999, and then took a leave of absence to work in the Bush Administration. He returned in 2004, and remains a very successful teacher and prolific (though often controversial) scholar. Because this is a public university, he enjoys not only security of employment and academic freedom, but also First Amendment and Due Process rights.

It seems we do need regular reminders: These protections, while not absolute, are nearly so because they are essential to the excellence of American universities and the progress of ideas. Indeed, in Berkeley's classrooms and courtyards our community argues about the legal and moral issues with the intensity and discipline these crucial issues deserve. Those who prefer to avoid these arguments - be they left or right or lazy - will not find Berkeley or any other truly great law school a wholly congenial place to study. For that we make no apology.

Did what Professor Yoo wrote while not at the University somehow place him beyond the pale of academic freedom today? Had this been merely some professor vigorously expounding controversial and even extreme views, we would be in a familiar drama with the usual stakes. Had that professor been on leave marching with Nazis in Skokie or advising communists during the McCarthy era, reasonable people would probably find that an easier case still. Here, additional things are obviously in play. Gravely so.

My sense is that the vast majority of legal academics with a view of the matter disagree with substantial portions of Professor Yoo's analyses, including a great many of his colleagues at Berkeley. If, however, this strong consensus were enough to fire or sanction someone, then academic freedom would be meaningless.

There are important questions about the content of the Yoo memoranda, about tortured definitions of "torture", about how he and his colleagues conceived their role as lawyers, and about whether and when the Commander in Chief is subject to domestic statutes and international law. We press our students to grapple with these matters, and in the legal literature Professor Yoo and his critics do battle. One can oppose and even condemn an idea, but I don't believe that in a university we can fearfully refuse to look at it. That would not be the best way to educate, nor a promising way to seek deeper understanding in a world of continual, strange revolutions.

There is more, however. Having worked in the White House under two presidents, I am exceptionally sensitive to the complex, ineffable boundary between policymaking and law-declaring. I know that Professor Yoo continues to believe his legal reasoning was sound, but I do not know whether he believes that the Department of Defense and CIA made political or moral mistakes in the way they exercised the discretion his memoranda purported to find available to them within the law. As critical as I am of his analyses, no argument about what he did or didn't facilitate, or about his special obligations as an attorney, makes his conduct morally equivalent to that of his nominal clients, Secretary Rumsfeld, et al., or comparable to the conduct of interrogators distant in time, rank and place. Yes, it does matter that Yoo was an adviser, but President Bush and his national security appointees were the deciders.

What troubles me substantively with the analyses in the memoranda is that they reduce the Rule of Law to the Reign of Politics. I believe there is much more to the separation of powers than the promise of ultimate remedies like the ballot box and impeachment, even in the case of a Commander in Chief during war. And I believe that the revolution in sensibilities after 9/11 demands greater, not reduced, vigilance for constitutional rights and safeguards. What of the argument made by so many critics that Professor Yoo was so wrong on these sensitive issues that it amounted to an ethical breach. It is true, I believe, that government lawyers have a larger, higher client than their political supervisors; there are circumstances when a fair reading of the law must - perhaps as an ethical matter? - provide a bulwark to political and bureaucratic discretion. And it shouldn't require a private plaintiff and a Supreme Court ruling to make it so. Few professions require an oath at entry, but law does. Oaths must mean something. 

Assuming one believes as I do that Professor Yoo offered bad ideas and even worse advice during his government service, that judgment alone would not warrant dismissal or even a potentially chilling inquiry. As a legal matter, the test here is the relevant excerpt from the "General University Policy Regarding Academic Appointees", adopted for the 10-campus University of California by both the system-wide Academic Senate and the Board of Regents:

Types of unacceptable conduct: … Commission of a criminal act which has led to conviction in a court of law and which clearly demonstrates unfitness to continue as a member of the faculty. [Academic Personnel Manual sec. 015]

This very restrictive standard is binding on me as dean, but I will put aside that shield and state my independent and personal view of the matter. I believe the crucial questions in view of our university mission are these: Was there clear professional misconduct - that is, some breach of the professional ethics applicable to a government attorney - material to Professor Yoo's academic position? Did the writing of the memoranda, and his related conduct, violate a criminal or comparable statute?

Absent very substantial evidence on these questions, no university worthy of distinction should even contemplate dismissing a faculty member. That standard has not been met.

April 10, 2008&lt;/i&gt;

The AFC is seeking Yoo's dismissal, but also a back-up position, his removal from teaching Constitutional Law.

The latter is also an interesting proposal--in the sense that Yoo has surely shown himself Constitutionally incompetent, don't you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoo as war criminal prima facie a losing case&#8211;that is an interesting position.</p>
<p>Yoo disbarred, on the other hand, might be a no-brainer.</p>
<p>Attorneys do take various oaths, do they not?</p>
<p>Tenure is complex. It is always a matter of what has been contracted, but there are some obvious distinctions that one might wish to introduce between ordinary academic tenure and the special circumstances of tenure at a law school, and also between what differences there might be, if any, between tenured law professors who are lawyers and those who are not.</p>
<p>Your stance seems similar to that delineated by Dean of the Berkeley Law School in response to the American Freedom Campaign:</p>
<p><i><b>The Torture Memos and Academic Freedom</b> </p>
<p>Christopher Edley, Jr. </p>
<p>The Honorable William H. Orrick, Jr. Distinguished Chair and Dean </p>
<p>UC Berkeley Law School </p>
<p>While serving in the Department of Justice, Professor John Yoo wrote memoranda that officials used as the legal basis for policies concerning detention and interrogation techniques in our efforts to combat terrorism. Both the subject and his reasoning are controversial, leading the New York Times (editorial, April 4), the National Lawyers&#8217; Guild, and hundreds of individuals from around the world to criticize or at least question Professor Yoo&#8217;s continuing employment at U.C. Berkeley Law School. As dean, but speaking only for myself, I offer the following explanation, although with no expectation that it will be completely satisfying to anyone.</p>
<p>Professor Yoo began teaching at Berkeley Law in 1993, received tenure in 1999, and then took a leave of absence to work in the Bush Administration. He returned in 2004, and remains a very successful teacher and prolific (though often controversial) scholar. Because this is a public university, he enjoys not only security of employment and academic freedom, but also First Amendment and Due Process rights.</p>
<p>It seems we do need regular reminders: These protections, while not absolute, are nearly so because they are essential to the excellence of American universities and the progress of ideas. Indeed, in Berkeley&#8217;s classrooms and courtyards our community argues about the legal and moral issues with the intensity and discipline these crucial issues deserve. Those who prefer to avoid these arguments - be they left or right or lazy - will not find Berkeley or any other truly great law school a wholly congenial place to study. For that we make no apology.</p>
<p>Did what Professor Yoo wrote while not at the University somehow place him beyond the pale of academic freedom today? Had this been merely some professor vigorously expounding controversial and even extreme views, we would be in a familiar drama with the usual stakes. Had that professor been on leave marching with Nazis in Skokie or advising communists during the McCarthy era, reasonable people would probably find that an easier case still. Here, additional things are obviously in play. Gravely so.</p>
<p>My sense is that the vast majority of legal academics with a view of the matter disagree with substantial portions of Professor Yoo&#8217;s analyses, including a great many of his colleagues at Berkeley. If, however, this strong consensus were enough to fire or sanction someone, then academic freedom would be meaningless.</p>
<p>There are important questions about the content of the Yoo memoranda, about tortured definitions of &#8220;torture&#8221;, about how he and his colleagues conceived their role as lawyers, and about whether and when the Commander in Chief is subject to domestic statutes and international law. We press our students to grapple with these matters, and in the legal literature Professor Yoo and his critics do battle. One can oppose and even condemn an idea, but I don&#8217;t believe that in a university we can fearfully refuse to look at it. That would not be the best way to educate, nor a promising way to seek deeper understanding in a world of continual, strange revolutions.</p>
<p>There is more, however. Having worked in the White House under two presidents, I am exceptionally sensitive to the complex, ineffable boundary between policymaking and law-declaring. I know that Professor Yoo continues to believe his legal reasoning was sound, but I do not know whether he believes that the Department of Defense and CIA made political or moral mistakes in the way they exercised the discretion his memoranda purported to find available to them within the law. As critical as I am of his analyses, no argument about what he did or didn&#8217;t facilitate, or about his special obligations as an attorney, makes his conduct morally equivalent to that of his nominal clients, Secretary Rumsfeld, et al., or comparable to the conduct of interrogators distant in time, rank and place. Yes, it does matter that Yoo was an adviser, but President Bush and his national security appointees were the deciders.</p>
<p>What troubles me substantively with the analyses in the memoranda is that they reduce the Rule of Law to the Reign of Politics. I believe there is much more to the separation of powers than the promise of ultimate remedies like the ballot box and impeachment, even in the case of a Commander in Chief during war. And I believe that the revolution in sensibilities after 9/11 demands greater, not reduced, vigilance for constitutional rights and safeguards. What of the argument made by so many critics that Professor Yoo was so wrong on these sensitive issues that it amounted to an ethical breach. It is true, I believe, that government lawyers have a larger, higher client than their political supervisors; there are circumstances when a fair reading of the law must - perhaps as an ethical matter? - provide a bulwark to political and bureaucratic discretion. And it shouldn&#8217;t require a private plaintiff and a Supreme Court ruling to make it so. Few professions require an oath at entry, but law does. Oaths must mean something. </p>
<p>Assuming one believes as I do that Professor Yoo offered bad ideas and even worse advice during his government service, that judgment alone would not warrant dismissal or even a potentially chilling inquiry. As a legal matter, the test here is the relevant excerpt from the &#8220;General University Policy Regarding Academic Appointees&#8221;, adopted for the 10-campus University of California by both the system-wide Academic Senate and the Board of Regents:</p>
<p>Types of unacceptable conduct: … Commission of a criminal act which has led to conviction in a court of law and which clearly demonstrates unfitness to continue as a member of the faculty. [Academic Personnel Manual sec. 015]</p>
<p>This very restrictive standard is binding on me as dean, but I will put aside that shield and state my independent and personal view of the matter. I believe the crucial questions in view of our university mission are these: Was there clear professional misconduct - that is, some breach of the professional ethics applicable to a government attorney - material to Professor Yoo&#8217;s academic position? Did the writing of the memoranda, and his related conduct, violate a criminal or comparable statute?</p>
<p>Absent very substantial evidence on these questions, no university worthy of distinction should even contemplate dismissing a faculty member. That standard has not been met.</p>
<p>April 10, 2008</i></p>
<p>The AFC is seeking Yoo&#8217;s dismissal, but also a back-up position, his removal from teaching Constitutional Law.</p>
<p>The latter is also an interesting proposal&#8211;in the sense that Yoo has surely shown himself Constitutionally incompetent, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Stapler</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-149968</link>
		<dc:creator>Stapler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support prosecution of those who violated our laws and agreements by allowing torture.

I don't support the prosecution (or even dismissal) of Yoo. First, tenure is tenure: it's there to protect unpopular views, period: hands off. Second, he has a right to his views, however distasteful; this is supposed to be a free country. 

I mean, who do we go for next, the writing staff of the TV show 24? Probably did more to make torture seem OK to people than any old JD memo.

Mind you, if we have to go through Yoo (in what I’m certain is a losing case; speaking about the prosecution-as-war-criminal angle) to get at big names in the White House and the Pentagon (and for that matter Congress) who are the real perpetrators here, then I suppose the fuss at Yoo is acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support prosecution of those who violated our laws and agreements by allowing torture.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t support the prosecution (or even dismissal) of Yoo. First, tenure is tenure: it&#8217;s there to protect unpopular views, period: hands off. Second, he has a right to his views, however distasteful; this is supposed to be a free country. </p>
<p>I mean, who do we go for next, the writing staff of the TV show 24? Probably did more to make torture seem OK to people than any old JD memo.</p>
<p>Mind you, if we have to go through Yoo (in what I’m certain is a losing case; speaking about the prosecution-as-war-criminal angle) to get at big names in the White House and the Pentagon (and for that matter Congress) who are the real perpetrators here, then I suppose the fuss at Yoo is acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-149952</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a conundrum for you: how might someone who calls himself a solipsist be racist?

100 words or less. Do not write on both sides of the paper at the same time.</description>
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<p>100 words or less. Do not write on both sides of the paper at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-149929</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I refer Mr. Yoo to the joint wisdom of The Honorable Confucius and 5000 years of Chinese Culture. This just in case some fool wants to make the Subjective Judgement that I'm some kind of "Racist."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I refer Mr. Yoo to the joint wisdom of The Honorable Confucius and 5000 years of Chinese Culture. This just in case some fool wants to make the Subjective Judgement that I&#8217;m some kind of &#8220;Racist.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-149924</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...If good men were to rule a Country for a hundred years, they could overcome cruelty and do away with killing."
                      ---The Analects of Confucius, 635 b.c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;If good men were to rule a Country for a hundred years, they could overcome cruelty and do away with killing.&#8221;<br />
                      &#8212;The Analects of Confucius, 635 b.c.</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/04/10/4276/#comment-149854</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price: The Despised Redneck of Barstow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Sometimes, I swear, it's hard for me to conceive that I'm sitting here in The United States of America...Sen. Dick Durban was right...If I didn't know better I'd think such nightmarish things only occurred elsewhere in the world...Yet, I suppose that to a certain extent as Death is to a Man, Tyranny is to a Nation; i.e., both seem an impossibility, that becomes a Vicious Reality...Just how much are you prepared to stand? Because I guarantee you, that when a Misfit, Ne'er do well, irresponsible Solipsist like me, begins to consider organizing against such un-Constitutional and Draconian State impositions...That it is become far more serious, than most are willing to think...A state of affairs that cannot be tolerated by a nominally free people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Sometimes, I swear, it&#8217;s hard for me to conceive that I&#8217;m sitting here in The United States of America&#8230;Sen. Dick Durban was right&#8230;If I didn&#8217;t know better I&#8217;d think such nightmarish things only occurred elsewhere in the world&#8230;Yet, I suppose that to a certain extent as Death is to a Man, Tyranny is to a Nation; i.e., both seem an impossibility, that becomes a Vicious Reality&#8230;Just how much are you prepared to stand? Because I guarantee you, that when a Misfit, Ne&#8217;er do well, irresponsible Solipsist like me, begins to consider organizing against such un-Constitutional and Draconian State impositions&#8230;That it is become far more serious, than most are willing to think&#8230;A state of affairs that cannot be tolerated by a nominally free people.</p>
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