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By: Kenneth

Kenneth — Sun, 18 May 2008 06:08:18 +0000

Don’t be so coy, Tim. You’ve made a great many statements to the effect that all or most Muslims are barbarians, primitives, and abetters of terror. If you don’t believe this to be racist or discriminatory, mentally substitute “Jew” or “Black” or what have you for “Muslim” and, mutatis muntandis, see what manner of “enlightened” polemeic emerges from the process. Apart from this, your chief error consists of viewing Islam in a totally ahistorical light. Islam is an entirely fluid concept whose content depends on what the Muslims happen to be thinking at the time- it “isn’t” anything, and to impute whatever depredations in the Islamic world happen to be current to it is reductive, essentialist, racist, and above all, empirically false- the kind of mindless faux-anthropology that would be quite at home in colonial propaganda. Don’t act so surprised when someone calls you out on this- you can’t possibly be as stupid as you appear.

By: Edalat

Edalat — Fri, 16 May 2008 07:28:55 +0000

Tim, all Muslims should believe that the Quran is the exact word of God. Your next three sentences (re: stoning, gay, virgins) may be true regarding “radicals” (as we are broadly agreeing on the use of the term here) but not for Islam in general. You will not find those topics covered in the Quran (universal suffrage in the 7th century?). However, these “rules” or guides are covered in various Hadith. Hadith are not the word of God, merely stories about Muhammed or his followers and traditions which have been passed down over the centuries, and are seen as clarifications or guides with which to live your life by (but in my opinion, and I may differ from many Muslims here, they are not compulsory). Also, some of them are more reliable than others (e.g. ones which have several sources).

Some Hadith are labelled Gharib or Weak. These ones may have dubious or weak sources (such as the 72 Virgins Hadith) or may contradict other, more reliable, Hadith. However, some of these Gharib Hadith are used as hard and fast rules by certain Islamic leaders and/or groups and enforced upon people who may not agree with them or (through a lack of education) may not realise they are Gharib or even Hadith (as opposed to from the Quran).

Sorry but the rest of your post I simply do not agree with.

Thanks for the chance to help explain my religion though :)

By: lear k

lear k — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:16:56 +0000

a very revealing response!

By: Tim R.

Tim R. — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:49:26 +0000

Lear K,

Radicals are those who believe that the Quran is the exact word of God and are willing to strictly follow it. They are willing for subjugate women and not allow them the right to vote or any basic human rights. They are willing and happy to stone people to death for “fornication” or for the high crime of being gay. They believe terrorism is justified and that those suicide bombers who kill women and children are “martyrs’ and go straight to paradise where 72 virgins await them.

You asked how many are radical? That is very hard to say. According to the Pew Research Center it really varies depending on the country, but based on the studies, it is a very substantial number, perhaps 30 to 40 percent in some countries.

What to do abou it? Hold the governments directly responsible. Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc. Have the CIA jam their television and radio signals and pump in western media with western ideals so these people can start to be de-programmed. Isolate the countries with a strict policy of containment similar to what Harry S. Truman advocated with Communism. And,if all else fails, as a last resort, if the governments continue to foment Islamic radicalism, hold the leaders (not the people) directly responsible. A couple dozen Tomahawk Cruise missiles landing in their palaces would get their attention I think.

By: lear k

lear k — Thu, 15 May 2008 00:08:54 +0000

“… I believe that the number of radicals (or those who sympathize with them) is quite large. I hope you and your fellow moderate Muslims will speak up and be more vocal.”

Would care to explain what you mean by radicals ?!
What number is that?

Let say they are 99.99% are raducals ,what would you suggest to do about them?or to them?

By: Tim R.

Tim R. — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:52:19 +0000

Oh come on Kenneth, are we back to calling me a racist? There are many people on here who forcefully condemn the violent things in the Old Testament and some of the immoral things in the Talmud. Are they racist too? I don’t think so. I actually agree with them. So just because I think Islam is not nearly as peaceful or tolerant as some say it is, that does not mean I am a racist or hate all Muslims. Can you see the distinction here?

By: Tim R.

Tim R. — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:47:16 +0000

Edalat,

You sound like a very decent person and very reasonable. I wish your fellow Muslims felt the same way as you! But sadly, I believe that the number of radicals (or those who sympathize with them) is quite large. I hope you and your fellow moderate Muslims will speak up and be more vocal.