Building a Case for Attack on Iran’s Nuclear Sites

Amid renewed speculation after President Bush’s Knesset speech last week that he may yet order an attack on Iran before he leaves office, particularly if Sen. Obama should win the November elections, it appears that the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) is preparing the case for why an attack — either by the U.S. or Israel — on Tehran’s nuclear facilities might not be as calamitous as most analysts, including top Pentagon brass, believe. WINEP, of course, was founded by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and has acted as an integral part of the so-called Israel Lobby since its launch.

The case is previewed in an article by Yossi Melman that appeared in the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz Thursday. It consists mainly of an interview of WINEP’s Patrick Clawson, co-author with another WINEP analyst, Michael Eisenstadt, of an upcoming paper entitled “The Last Resort.” Clawson concludes that fears about possible Iranian retaliation are exaggerated and that, in fact, “Iran’s options for responding are limited and weak.”

To Helena Cobban, the estimable Middle East analyst whose blog, www.justworldnews.org, is widely read here in Washington and in the region, the paper smacks of “cakewalk” all over again. Cobban, who also works with the Friends Committee on National Legislation (FCNL) and who just published a new book entitled Re-Engage! America and the World After Bush, critiques the argument here. I would note that I received alarmed e-mail messages from three experts in the region — one Israeli and two Arabs — that referred me to the Haaretz article and suggested, like Cobban, that it could mark the launch of a new propaganda effort.

Meanwhile, Gen. David Petraeus, in his confirmation hearings Thursday, offered the latest official Pentagon view of Iran, repeating Sec. Gates’ recent remarks about needing to gain “leverage” with Tehran to engage it in a serious way diplomatically. (Last year, Gates and Rice were talking about not want to engage Iran as a “supplicant;” this year, it’s all about “leverage.”)

Here’s the view of Adm. Fallon’s replacement of Centcom commander:

“Iran continues to be a destabilizing influence in the region. It persists in its non-transparent pursuit of nuclear technology and continues to fund, train and arm dangerous militia organizations.

“Iran’s activities have been particularly harmful in Iraq, Lebanon, the Palestinian territories and Afghanistan. In each location, Tehran has to varying degrees fueled proxy wars, in an effort to increase its influence and pursue its regional ambitions.

“Even as we work with leaders in the region, to help protect our partners from Iranian intimidation or coercion, however, we must also explore policies that, over the long term, offer the possibility of more constructive relations, if that is possible.

“Together with regional and global partners, we need to seek ways to encourage Iran to respect the integrity of other states, to embrace non-proliferation of nuclear weapons and to contribute to regional stability rather than regional instability.”

That’s from Petraeus’ prepared testimony which must have been cleared by Adm. Mullen and Sec. Gates. In answers to questions, he expressed doubt about the usefulness of new rounds of negotiations with Tehran under current circumstances.

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  • andy

    “Amid renewed speculation that before he leaves office President Bush may yet order an attack on Iran”,,

    Whatever happened to the idea in America that it was the Congress that was supposed to have the authority to declare war? This ‘imperial presidency’ thing where the resident White House Wacko just decides to engage in acts of war on a mere whim is appalling. What do Americans think is going to happen on ‘bomb day +1’, ‘bomb day +2’ etc; Do you think Iranians won’t mind if you bomb their country? Look how Americans rallied to Bush after 9/11. The public reaction in Iran will be the same.

  • Steve Hogan

    Can there be any doubt that the Israel lobby has completely hijacked American foreign policy? What else explains this ridiculous march to war with another militarily weak Middle Eastern country?

    • Eric

      It’s just the most astounding phenomenon. The suicidal subservience of the United States to Israel is like some kind of mass psychosis.

      The ingrained social fear of being labeled “anti-Semitic” – something essentially positive and benign in itself – has been leveraged to accomplish a complete takeover of a superpower’s foreign policy apparatus by a far smaller foreign nation, while maintaining wide acceptance of the fiction that the superpower is a self-governing republic.

      This rivals anything Hitler, Stalin, or Mao were ever able to accomplish in the way mass psychological manipulation.

      • Eric

        (By the way, in case anyone misunderstands: by the above I meant to say that the fear of being labeled anti-Semitic is “essentially positive and benign” – i.e., it’s a good thing that people don’t want to be anti-Semitic, and don’t want to be seen as anti-Semitic. I believe that meaning should be clear from what I wrote; but I hope no one misread and thought I was saying that anti-Semitism itself is “essentially positive and benign”.)

    • Bill

      Amen. This insane control of the US by Israel has to stop. We have nothing to gain by supporting Israel but ending up like them…a paranoid fortress that is constantly at war.

  • Tim R.

    So what should we do? Just sit back and let the Islamic fanatics in Iran obtain nuclear weapons? Of course we should try diplomatic and economic means first. But if that doesn’t work, then what? No one is saying to invade Iran but we could certainly do some pinpoint strikes to reduce Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons. When is America and the rest of the civilized, yes I said CIVILIZED, western nations going to stop acting like such wimps when it comes to these fanatics? Case in point, a year ago Iranians kidnap British soldiers in international waters, they parade them around Iran and make a fool out of them. Once they were back safe and sound in Britain why didn’t the Royal Navy or Air Force bomb the Iranian Defense Ministry or take some other retaliation? We need to stop acting like chumps and wimps with these people. What about a few months ago when Iranian swift boats appraoced US Navy ships and said on the radio that they had bombs. Why were they not blown out of the water immediatly? The Islamic fanatics in Iran (and elsewhere) understand one language above all: the language of force. So the Iranians want 72 virgins in Paradise? Ok. So let us help them along.

    But no, we need to sit down and talk. We’ll have tea with them. Smile for photo opportunities. Talk about the rich cultural history of Iran and by doing that the Ayottolahs and President I’m a nut job or whatever his name is will sing camp fire songs with us and roast marshmellows and there will be peace in the world and of course Mr. Obama will be the one to acheive that. Obaman will handle Iran just like Jimmy Carter, and we all know how well that worked out.

    • justaguy

      Even by your standards, that’s a doozy Timmy. We all know that Iran has no nuclear weapons program. Please go away.

    • 1984

      More laughable comments from Timmy
      1. Nuclear weapons – debunked and debunked
      2. In international waters – debunked by British own investigation
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8732
      3. Sit and talk – no need for this either since Iran is not a threat, but what we now have is phoney diplomacy which is there to give the impression that it has failed and we must act with or without international support to protect US and Israel
      4. This is nothing but selling another imperialistic PNAC war of aggression, a sort of Operation Ajax part II the ultimate comeback (this time full and permanent occupation)
      5. You post on antiwar.com blog and believe Obama is all about talking? Bah, how uninformed.
      Obama: “Now the gravest threat … to Israel today, I believe, is from Iran. There the radical regime continues to pursue its capacity to build a nuclear weapon and continues to support terrorism across the region,”…read the rest here: http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=12433
      6. Seems to me it is perfectly possible is that Timmy is one of those bloggers that the Pentagon pays to spread propaganda.
      7. Carter of course should have acted like Reagan and sold the Iranians weapons and then used the money to fund murderous contras.

  • Rest easy Jim. It’s not going to happen.

    Disregarding all the tuff talk and posturing, both the United States and Israel lack the nerve and the resources to pick a fight with Iran. Neither has the capability to invade and occupy that country so an air attack (their only option) leaves Iran free to respond whenever, wherever and however often they please. The Americans and the Israelis are quite aware of that. The Americans understand that even though their aircraft may fly away to safety after an air attack their ground forces will still be in the region and those forces will receive the punishment in response to an air attack.

    The United States administration will continue to issue not-so-veiled threats but it will not go beyond that.

    In a little-noticed comment he made during a Leon Panetta sponsored discussion last week that was televised on C-SPAN General Barry Mccaffrey stated that U.S. intelligence services have identified approximately 70 nuclear-related facilities inside Iran. The United States and Israel do not know exactly what type work is being performed at many of those sites. A mission launched to destroy that many targets in one or two raids would require significant air assets. A raid that large would likely be spotted well before arrival, in time for most key Iranian nuclear personnel to take cover. One or two raids would likely be the limit since Iranian air defences would have incoming aircraft routes tracked and other tactical details identified to the extent that subsequent missions would become increasingly hazardous for the attackers. The last thing the Americans or Israelis want to have happen is to lose pilots over Iran — not because of concern for the safety of their service members but because American or Israeli airman captured alive after an unprovoked attack on Iran would be a propaganda bonanza for the Iranians. Remember the newsreels of American pilots shot down over North Vietnam or the recent (embarrassing) coverage of the UK Marines seized off the coast of Iran to get an idea of what the Iranians could do with some captured American or Israeli airmen.

    It’s doubtful the mission could be successful to an acceptable degree even if it were attempted with a full commitment. Should the Americans or Israelis try it the result would undoubtedly be a damaged Iranian nuclear program but a program that remained essentially intact and functioning. Unless the engineers and technicians involved in the project were somehow eliminated in an attack the technical knowledge, manufacturing capability and engineering experience gained by the Iranians up to now would still be available after the dust settled. In addition, an attack would (justifiably) release Tehran from NPT obligations and permit Iran to pursue a nuclear weapon program without apology or pretence. Geopolitically Iran would be viewed as a sympathetic victim amongst much of the public and many leaders of the world.

    The saber-rattling and threats will continue but an overt military attack by the United States against Iran isn’t going to happen during the w. bush administration.

    • Brad Smith

      I hope your correct but I doubt it. First off the Neo-cons couldn’t care less about the loss of life or the effect on the economy or even the military. Your ideas are based on a flawed assumption (that they care about anyone but themselves). As far as them being worried about publicity why whould they be? Their polling rates are about as low as you can get. And who cares anyway when you have the media eating out of your hand? Almost everyone on this site seems to agree that Isreal is running the show, and I will agree that they seem to be. But what if it’s really the Evanglical movement, that wants to start WWIII, who gets their way?

      A small attack on Iran could easily bring a retaliation that would justify our use of small nuclear weapons. With small nukes we would not need to hold ground. The neo-cons would then be able to declare martial law, stay in office, shut down congress and the constitution, etc. If Russia and China retaliate well that’s it game over (armagedon), if not they come out smelling like roses.

      Peace!

    • Andy Lyons

      The flaw in your argument is that you are assuming these are rational people.

    • 1984

      Don’t forget that the neocons were already back in the eighties called “the crazies”.

    • darryl

      is that what you said when they attacked iraq did you disregard all the tough talk and posturing when the invasion of iraq was launched

    • Denny

      I hope you’re correct. The neocons seem to thrive on chaos, as did the Nazis. The more destabilized the situation becomes, the more control they believe they can exert.

    • alpowolf

      You’re right to say that an attack upon Iran would have little chance of success, and that there would be serious consequences for the U.S. Unfortunately, that does not mean that Bush won’t do it. History is full of examples where national “leaders” committed such acts even when those acts were obviously detrimental to the nations the leaders were responsible for.

  • Fan of Raimondo and Garris

    If Iran’s abilities are so limited and weak, then why is Iran considered a threat?

    Iran is not a threat unless it is attacked. Then it will have great ability to punish the United States economically. That is what will end the US’s status as a “superpower” for good. However, the Zionist zealots would gladly sacrifice every non-Jewish American life for the sake of ethnically cleansing the West Bank and annexing it to Israel. But who will protect and enable Israel when the US no longer can?

  • darryl

    the united states is getting their ass kicked by a few thousand insurgents in iraq and now they want to go to war with 90 million iranians are you americans out of your minds

  • John Lowell

    Now isn’t Petrayus just the most sychophantic little weasel imaginable? I thoroughly despise the man. He’s done little else since coming to the public’s attention but parrot and showcase the Regime’s line. Military officers are expected to keep themselves out of politics, but this guy always finds a way to introject policy opinions into his miltary assessments week after week. I’d say that someone needs to call him on it but someone needs to call the Regime on a million things from war crimes to violations of privacy but no one ever manages to do so. I’m running out of strength with these outrages, frankly. We’ll be at war with Iran by year’s end and no one will have voiced opposition to it in any meaningful way. We’re on a track moving inexorably along toward the abyss and are observing the process seemingly paralysed. We’re having an election campaign with all the silly hope such exercises typically bring, and all it succeeds in doing is to operate as a kind of smokescreen disguising the continuing failure of our adventurism and sucking any expressions of genuine concern into an enormous black hole. We are about to witness an outrage that will make Japan’s invasion of Manchuria in 1931 appear feeble in comparison. The United States is about to become an aggressor nation of the type of Mussolini’s Italy. One wonders how well advised paleoconservative or libertarian opposition to the United Nations becomes at such time.

    • lera k

      “The United States is about to become an aggressor nation of the type of Mussolini’s Italy”
      The US has been an agressor nation of the Mussolini’s type for a long time.The wars of aggerssion against the waek Indians,the Philipines ,Grenada,Panama.Iraq1,2,3…are just a few.

      • John Lowell

        lera k,

        Had a feeling someone was going to say what you have. I could have been clearer, I suppose. What I had in mind was a kind of transition to rogue nation ststus with accompanying formal disapproval by a reigning international body. Mussolini’s Ethiopian adventure brought sanctions by the League. That’s the kind of thing I’d envisioned. The world has yet to cast the United States in quite those terms but its coming if we don’t make a sharp u-turn.

  • Tim R. is the ADL stooge assigned to the site. Every site that honestly discusses the middle east has at least one and usually a few. They are here to agravate and keep the neocon flag flying in unfriendly waters. I think the attack is coming. The results will be disasterous, but what is that, if dear old Israel gets what it wants.

    • lera k

      Something is Rotten in Sweden

      “The list of companies, as well as the death-threats against Vilks and the editor, all originate from one source: The Search for International Terrorist Entities (SITE) Institute. Founded in 2002 by Rita Katz and Josh Devon, SITE is a Zionist propaganda institute which, among other things, offers its “Monitoring Service, which provides numerous daily translations of terrorist propaganda and multimedia from primary source terrorist websites.” …

      “It makes you wonder how the SITE Institute, with a small staff of only two people (at least no other is mentioned) can find its way into “password-protected al-Qaeda linked sites” which, apparently, the FBI and the CIA, with all its resources, seem to be incapable of finding and infiltrating. What is even more noteworthy is that SITE, in its own words, works regularly with and provides important and often unique information to journalists, law firms pursuing civil litigation, major corporations, law enforcement, U.S. Congress, and numerous federal agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security, the Treasury Department, Immigration and Naturalization Services (INS), the FBI, Customs, and the Department of Justice.”

      http://www.counterpunch.org/larsson10182007.html

  • spyguy

    “Be really careful what you wish for!” I am quite sure that Bush will attack Iran. Unlike the betting web sites I give it over 50% chance (the betting sites have it less than 30%). That being said, I expect the results for the US and Israel to be vastly different and worse than the two countries believe. If I were Iran, I would strike out at the US and Israeli economic vulnerability. For some reason, most people can not seem to realize just how insanely easy it is to destroy above-ground oil infrastructure and how long and how expensive it is to replace it. All that Iran would have to do is destroy Saudi oil infrastructure and Israel oil infrastructure and both the US and Israeli economies will fold like a house of cards. Of course, the economic collapse would be long and hard in both countries. In the case of the US, I suspect that the people would take their revenge on the Republicans and diaspora Jews (yes, real antisemitism would increase). In Israel, I would suspect that there would be lots of civilian deaths. Israelis may even become suicidal and launch their nukes, which could be answered by any number of other countries, resulting in the disappearance of Israel. Basically, everything I read tells me that Iran has a wide variety of ways to retaliate against the US and Israel that would leave bot countries crippled if not totally defeated.

  • Hal Onsgard

    Tim R. does come over suspiciously like a purveyor of boilerplate “hasbara”.

    A lot of Jews who feel guilty about not going back to the Promised Land (“next year in Jerusalem… or the year after that.. or the year after that…”) think they’re doing their bit for the Entity by dishing up Zionist talking points and endlessly reiterating garbage (Iran’s going to have nukes in 12 months, lots of Israelis would like to see the West Bank settlements dismantled, Israeli Arabs are delighted with their lot, the Iraqi insurgency is all down to al-Qaeda, are current favorites).

    There are operations such as GIYUS dedicated to feeding the likes of Tim R. with instant-response material, but their success can be measured in the catastrophic decline of Israel’s image throughout the world. Even in the pussywhipped USA, with its bought-and-paid-for Congress, the Israel Lobby is becoming more discussible in polite society. Nowadays the internet makes access to other viewpoints easier to obtain.

    Sayanim like Tim R. beavering away are not as effective as they used to be when they only had to flood the MSM newsrooms.

    • Tim R.

      Um….where in my posting did I mention Israel? Regardless of Israel, even if Israel would cease to exist tomorrow, I would still believe that nuclear weapons in the hands of Islamic fantics like President I’m a Nut Job, would be a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States.

      • Andy

        Why would they be MORE of a danger to the United States then to say, Japan, Vietnam, China, Russia, various countries in Europe, Africa or say Chile? I would mention that the U.S. CREATED nuclear weapons. The USA opened Pandora’s box. America is also the only country in the world to USE nuclear weapons. Not once, but twice. Why is it “okay” for the USA to have nuclear weapons but not other countries?

      • Fan of Raimondo and Garris

        Tim R.: If Iran ever had a nuclear weapon, Iran’s president (whoever he might be at that future time) would have no control over it. Iran’s president has no control over any asset or aspect of Iran’s military. That power belongs to the Supreme Leader.

      • 1984

        Mr President of Iran who-really-doesn’t-have-a-lot-of-power-to-begin-with
        Face it, the neocons want back into Iran after being kicked out for kicking out their president back in 1953.

      • Bill

        Tim R. ADL Monkey Boy. That should be his new handle!

  • peace

    Thank you for this alert about what WINEP is up to. For weeks, it has been obvious that CNN is setting up interviews with supposedly impartial citizns who are calling for war on Iran. I wonder how long after we attack Iran that the roundup will begin?

    • FreeBird

      Speaking of roundups, it appears that the ADL (the Zionist Anti-Defamation League) is training police departments around the country on how to deal with “domestic extremists/ insurgents/ terrorists.”

      While the following website is VERY anti-Zionist, it’s usually accurate. So if you want to see if the ADL is training your local police in how to roundup you and yours, here’s your link:

      http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6887

      This, combined with Christopher Ketchum’s article for Radar magazine, posted at antiwar.com, called “The Last Roundup” pretty much means those of us who question the Israel lobby / U.S. imperialism/ Bill of Rights lovers, are going to a gulag soon. Oddly enough it was Ashcroft and his second-in-command that balked on this. Maybe there is hope…

      The Last Roundup

      FROM RADAR MAGAZINE’S MAY/JUNE 2008 ISSUE

      The Last Roundup
      Is the government compiling a secret list of citizens to detain under martial law?

      In the spring of 2007, a retired senior official in the U.S. Justice Department sat before Congress and told a story so odd and ominous, it could have sprung from the pages of a pulp political thriller. It was about a principled bureaucrat struggling to protect his country from a highly classified program with sinister implications. Rife with high drama, it included a car chase through the streets of Washington, D.C., and a tense meeting at the White House, where the president’s henchmen made the bureaucrat so nervous that he demanded a neutral witness be present.

      The bureaucrat was James Comey, John Ashcroft’s second-in-command at the Department of Justice during Bush’s first term. Comey had been a loyal political foot soldier of the Republican Party for many years. Yet in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, he described how he had grown increasingly uneasy reviewing the Bush administration’s various domestic surveillance and spying programs. Much of his testimony centered on an operation so clandestine he wasn’t allowed to name it or even describe what it did. He did say, however, that he and Ashcroft had discussed the program in March 2004, trying to decide whether it was legal under federal statutes. Shortly before the certification deadline, Ashcroft fell ill with pancreatitis, making Comey acting attorney general, and Comey opted not to certify the program. When he communicated his decision to the White House, Bush’s men told him, in so many words, to take his concerns and stuff them in an undisclosed location.

      (ENTIRE ARTICLE AT LINK)

      http://tinyurl.com/4hrb7m

      • Zahrah

        THE LAST ROUNDUP

        This is not surprising at all. It seems that it is going the same way with present conservative Dictator (Stephen Harper) in Canada also.

        On Good Friday, there was a short announcement on CBC that Homeland Defence Minister Stockwell Day had been in Israel to sign an agreement to have them help Canada with the defence of the Canadian Border(s). Also they signed an agreement to work with our Communications Sector.

        A few days later sweeping new changes to the Canadian Immigration Bill was sneaked through Parliament in the BUDGET, YES, I am not joking, the budget. The change was that they need to bring in people with specific skill quickly (I wonder where from? Toronto has too many Israeli already – nearly all working in communications (or human trafficking for the sex trade).

        On the 60th Anniv. of Israel’s birth Stephen Harper made a ridiculous speech about Canada’s ally and only democracy in the ME and worse still a member of the Cabinet made a speech to BNAI BRITH a few nights ago which was televised on the Christian TC, saying that “if Canada was indeed isolated for its support of Israel then they were proud of it.” I do not think many Canadians were proud of that statement.

        So, with all the wide open spaces in Canada, and prisons being built and privatized rapidly we might be just a step behind you.

      • peace

        Thanks so much to freebird and all for addressing my selfish concerns about being one of those rounded up. Life today in the USA seems like a dream/a nightmare!

  • Greg Bacon

    “Clawson concludes that fears about possible Iranian retaliation are exaggerated and that, in fact, “Iran’s options for responding are limited and weak.”

    Duhhh, so why in the hell are we attacking Iran in the first place?

    They don’t have nukes and their leading ayatollah said it is forbidden to have or make nukes.

    Again, why attack Iran, they are NO threat to the US, nor Iraq.

    Why attack Iran?

    For the same reason we attacked Iraq….. for Israel.

    • Bill Rood

      Or, as Obermann said a couple weeks ago in reference to war profiteering, “The reason to have a war is Iraq, is to have a war in Iraq.”

  • Zahrah

    Tim, you truly are a typical syannim – spouting complete and utter nonsense about Israeli policies, history etc.

    People like you will eventually be the downfall of all Jews in the United States and the rest of the world. Unlike you, I do not regard Israel as democratic or civilized. I see it as a pathetic bully who beats up on weaker nations around it to gain more and more land, water and minerals to say nothing of tourist sites, while screaming “self-defence, we have a right to defend our borders,” while bombing northern Syria or Beiruit. Israel plans wars constantly and always has.

    What is happening now in GAZA and in the WEST BANK is nothing less than a systematic GENOCIDE.
    In the US you hear that everything is calm unless the Palestinians launch a home made katushya rocket into a small border town, usually causing little harm (this is big news in the Western Press. Yet every day, Israeli F16’s and Gunships target civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, calling them “targetted assassinations”

    They raid villages nightly, killing and arresting whomever they want, just because they can. They destroy Palestinian homes daily, again just because they can and want to make the Palestians “leave” (ethnic cleansing of a kind) They deny cancer patients permission to leave Gaza to travel abroad for treatment and just let them die (150 people, including children in the past 12 months). Every day Israelis kill Jewish civilian in the Occupied territories and deny them food, electricity, water. They destroy their farmland, trees, crops, will not let them fish, will not allow them to trade.

    TIM YOUR CIVILIZED ISRAEL IS DOING ALL THIS TO A CIVILIAN POPULATION AND THE CIVILIZED UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN WHICH YOU HIDE, PAYS WITH IT HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS FOR THE WEAPONS USED TO KILL AND MAIM THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE AND FOR THE WAR ISRAEL PUSHED AMERICA INTO WITH IRAQ AND IS TRYING TO PUSH AMERICA INTO WITH IRAN.
    TIM ONE MORE THING MY PERFECT SYANIM, DO YOU KNOW THAT AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS PAY FOR EVERY ISRAELI CIVILIAN (JEW) TO HAVE HEALTH CARE) BUT AMERICANS DO NOT GET THAT HELP THEMSELVES?

    If Israel attacks Iran it will be a grave mistake, even though Israel’s Mossad has been busy stirring up trouble amongst the Kurds in Northern Iraq/Iran for many years it reslly will not matter because beyond those borders are ethnic Persians, Azerbajanis and other tribals who are just itching to get their hands on your people for past crimes in the Old Soviet Union. You can bet that Iran will not fight on its own and Iranians are very, very intelligent people, who are more likely to fight for their IRAN than for Islam.

    America has people in its country who could give good clean beneficial advice to the government about how people think and behave in these countries but we always end up having to listen to some Jewish expert on Syria, Iran, Iraq or Islamist Fascism (whatever that is).
    It is time to start utilizing the people who care about America not Israel. Israel does not give a damn about anyone but itself.

  • richard vajs

    I don’t object to Tim R’s postings. His sources of material are rather juvenile and transparent, and all he can offer is silly good arguments which are easy to demolish. And he keeps coming back for more, no matter how hard he gets slammed. I can only guess that he is desperate to believe that Arabs are a threat to Western culture, because he has to know that Israel is an abusive, racist, criminal culture and the only way to live with that (as a Jew) is to pretend that the Arabs deserve Israeli abuse.
    This is more than the general American can offer – why is that America as a whole is not deeply ashamed of what we have done to Iraq? And what we allow Israel to pull? Jacob Hornberger of FFF, seems to believe that somehow America has lost its conscience. People who can no longer reconcile what we do with what we say, so we quit looking at what we do. At least Tim R tries to justify it – most Americans avoid all discussion except to yammer about flag pins, etc.

    • Tim R.

      Thanks Richard…I think :)

  • lera k

    FBI Turns to Monitoring Grocery Purchases While LAPD Maps Muslim Neithborhoods:

    “…the FBI had mined data from San Francisco grocery stores to look for spikes in sales of Middle Eastern food that, together with other data, might imply the presence of extremist”

    Be carful If you like Hamous!

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/11/14/121112/89

    • R. Nelson

      Go ahead and eat your pita
      And tell the feds where they can go.
      But you won’t be living la dolce vita
      Down in Guantanamo.

    • FreeBird

      I bought a lot of hummus and pita bread yesterday for a Memorial Day BBQ (along with hot dogs, PORK sausage pizza, tequila and beer — you know – standard jihadi food ;-)

      Wonder if this lapsed Catholic/ atheist is on some kind of list now…

      Seriously, let’s all go buy hummus, falafels, kababs, and also type “Jihad” into the subject line of every email.

      In fact, I’m going to order lunch from my local Persian restaurant, even though I don’t particularly like their food.

      Let’s drive the Department of “Homeland Security”, run by alleged Israeli citizen, Michael Chertoff, crazy.

      By the way, it was Michael’s cousin, Benjamin Chertoff, who was the “reseacher” at Popular Mechanics who wrote the infamous article endorsing the official narrative of 9/11.

      Small Mossad-run world, isn’t it?

      I say we map all Zionist-dominated areas of this country — fair is fair right? Israel’s fan club lied us into Iraq and now its fan club wants to lie us into Iran. AND Israel’s fan club has endless access to nukes plus delivery systems. So that makes Israel’s fan club infinitely more dangerous than any other group of terrorists in the world.

      OK, so, mapping the Zionists, let’s start with Washington, move onto Hollywood, with stop-overs at every “news” outlet in this country. Lest we forget, we need to map the congregation of every “rapture” “Christian” church too.

      This will take a heck of a lot of time, so, in memory of all our soldiers and all the Iraqis / Lebanese/ Palestinians/ Syrians who have died because of Zionism, let’s start mapping Zionist-occupied territory this Memorial Day weekend.

      By the way, Bobby Jindal, token brown person, is spending the weekend with McInsane, so McPain can feel him out about being Veep. Jindal is the tool behind the whole purple finger = Iraqi democracy propaganda ploy that our Zionist media foisted on a vastly under-educated U.S. public. Hey, Jindal, how’s that Iraqi democracy going pal?

    • Cous Cous

      This manages to be simultaneously stupid and evil.

      It’s stupid because Mediterranean Arabs eat food (onions, olives, lemons, tomatoes, ad infinitum) that is identical to what other Mediterranean ethnic groups eat. This won’t catch ‘terrorists’ without annoying everyone who likes Spanish, Italian, or Provençal cuisine.

      It’s evil because I suspect frequently visiting a Moroccan restaurant or Lebanese deli could lead to you being added to the ‘No Fly List’ or getting an all expense paid trip to Cuba.

      • Bill K.

        I guess if you pay cash they can’t really know what you bought and where you bought it, unless they start hanging government controlled CCTV cameras all over the place like in some twisted Orwellian society.

  • Ali

    It is past time that articles by any newspaper or “think tank” on the payroll of the Israeli lobby could start wars. What is truly disgusting and worrying is that the American military brass are learning how to be perfect liars. When the top brass of a military gives up the essential dignity required to be a comrade in arms to anyone in any armed outfit and puts politics before its duties and mandate as an armed force, then everybody has to worry. Petraues tells more and more lies with each passing day. He has learned the neocon art of committing a crime and putting the blame for it on others. That is truly dangerous, if not a testimony to how fraudulent the claims of American democracy and freedom have been all along. Gates, supposedly from the realist camp of the republican party is not what he was billed as either. While increasingly mixing lies with truths, his true mission it seems is to facilitate the path to the lies that the collective Pentagon brass is determined to tell. Yes, Pentagon is taking it back. The last time around some lied on behalf of Pentagon, sometimes without its knowledge and approval. This time the brave gallants (read commissioned ass lickers) are taking the lead and doing the job themselves. I knew that power, in time, makes people stupid, but suckers? Must be another great American adventure. LOL!

  • lear k

    “Those who,’Americans’, cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”!!Santayana, George.
    The lies will be swallowed by the masses once again!

  • Peter

    Everybody likes to blame Israel. Ultimately it is America who pulls the trigger. Sure, there appears to be an almost surreal level of pro-Israeli influence in American Foreign Policy, media, business etc. etc. But none of you can surely be arguing that America’s actions are the responsibility of anyone but Americans. It is your country afterall. This is your American President. This political system, rotten to the core, is America’s. These are your American patriots small in mind, numbed by Hollywood and delusional about the ‘good baby Jesus’. The internet has become the buffer zone for those who want war. Arguments like all of these above now play out on PCs across the globe rather than in the street. As a nation America has allowed itself to become nothing more than an instrument of others. Only the American people, through grass roots peaceful protest on the streets will bring about the change you all appear to want. Begin to make links beyond your keyboards. Meet, discuss, plan and action. Or, continue to type and submit your comments and watch it unfold with that tiny speck of knowledge in the recess of your mind: those who delight in the death of others will feel the eternal embrace of the devil. Maybe that will be comfort enough for you?

    • Feral

      “Only the American people, through grass roots peaceful protest on the streets will bring about the change you all appear to want. Begin to make links beyond your keyboards.”

      What will peaceful protests in the street do? Nada. What Americans should do is form their own pro-U.S. foreign policy political action committee. Peaceful street protests will do nothing. “Begin to make links beyond your keyboards. Meet, discuss, plan and action.” Sounds good. If you use your time and effort to build a PAC that will influence our congress for a pro-American foreign policy rather than one for Israel. Currently, we do not even have a viable PAC to counter the pro israel lobbies that create our wars.

      • Feral

        Help fix CNIfoundation*org. Or help to build a new PAC.

  • Fan of Raimondo and Garris

    I want to correct a comment I made earlier in the thread. I said the Zionist zealots would gladly sacrifice every non-Jewish American life for the sake of annexing the West Bank. However, there is no reason to limit the sacrifice to non-Jews.

    The perversion of the Zionists is that they already sacrifice Israeli Jews for the cause of expanding the state. To them, Israel does not exist to serve Jews. Jews exist to serve Israel. Human lives mean less than an abstraction. The Israeli and Palestinian peoples share the same set of enemies. In order of their magnitude they are: the Israeli government, the American Israel lobby, the American government.

    • Tim R.

      I’ve actually spoken to some prominent Rabbbis who are not particularly Zionistic and they said that under Jewish Law peace is more important than land and it would be perfectly acceptable to give up some of the land if it would bring about peace. However, the problem I have is that HAMAS and the Islamic fanatics don’t want peace. The West Bank is not enough for them. They want to destroy all of Israel. Prior to 1967 they had the West Bank but that was not enough for them. You can ask HAMAS (or any of the other Islamic fanatics) and they will tell you that their goal in the long run is the complete and utter destruction of the Jewish nation.

      Two state solution? Guess what? That was proposed and voted on by the United Nations in 1947 and the Arabs would have gotton their own state ( a very large onr by the way with contiguous borders and all that) but the Arabs rejected the UN plan and instead attacked in May of 1948 and have been attacking ever since.

      • Bill

        Israel was established via zionist terrorism. Fact.

  • Greg Bacon

    Tim, you commented that “So what should we do? Just sit back and let the Islamic fanatics in Iran obtain nuclear weapons?”

    If, it’s as you claim that Iran is run by Islamic fanatics who are just itching to get the “bomb” and use it on our “interests”–Israel–then how can these same fanatics, who are religious fanatics, as you claim, ignore their head Ayatollah, who has decreed that it’s against their beliefs to have or even develop a nuke?

    Which one is it, Tim?

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  • U.S. military leadership said to oppose Iran strike as ineffective

    May 28, 2008

    ABU DHABI — Andrew Terrill, a professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Army War College, said the United States would not launch air strikes against Iran. Terrill, who teaches at the Strategic Studies Institute, said Teheran did not have the capability to develop nuclear warheads. “A bombing raid would not knock them out forever,” Terrill said in an address to the Bahrain Center of Studies and Research on May 15. “They will rise again.” Terrill has been regarded as a leading U.S. military analyst. His opposition to a U.S. war with Iran was said to reflect the feeling of most of the military brass.

    http://www.geostrategy-direct.com/geostrategy-direct/

  • Even though it’s not going to happen there is at least one person in Iran who would welcome an American or Israeli (or other) attack. Ahmadi Nezhad is rapidly losing popularity inside the country. An attack on Iran by foreign forces would lead to a rally-round-the-flag spirit amongst the public and would solidify Ahmadi Nezhad’s political position.

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    Are Ahmadinejad’s Days Numbered?

    By SCOTT MACLEOD/CAIRO
    Thurs, 29 May 2008

    Ali Larijani projected a presidential bearing as he accepted his election as speaker of Iran’s parliament on Wednesday — a vote that boded ill for President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Larijani, a high-profile arch-rival of the president, addressed global themes in his address to the opening session of the Majlis, dressing down the International Atomic Energy Agency and praising Hizballah. Despite the tough talk that was welcomed by some of the legislators with shouts of “God is Great!” and “Death to America!” Larijani received a congratulatory call from European Union Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana — an old negotiating partner. While Iran’s insistence on its right to enrich uranium unites all major factions in the country, Larijani represents a more pragmatic approach to handling the issue, aimed at finding agreement with the West and avoiding confrontation.

    Larijani’s stunning return to center stage in Iranian politics makes two things clear: President Ahmadinejad’s hold on power is slipping badly, and next year’s Iranian presidential election race is now wide open. Winning 232 votes after persuading an Ahmadinejad ally, former Speaker Gholamali Haddad-Adel, to step aside, Larijani is poised to make the position a dynamic power center in Iranian politics, and perhaps even a personal launch pad for challenging Ahmadinejad’s bid for a second term of office.

    “You’re going to see Larijani as a very active and confident speaker,” a Tehran analyst told TIME. His comeback has underscored the increasing fragility of Ahmadinejad’s authority in the country; less than a year ago, the president had effectively forced Larijani out of his senior post as secretary of the Supreme National Security Council and Iran’s top nuclear negotiator.

    Ahmadinejad’s defeat in the Majlis is the latest sign of the ferment within Iran’s ruling conservative coalition, which dominates the legislature. Larijani engineered two impressive political victories, first to win a seat in the 290-member assembly, and then to oust a sitting speaker. Prominent politicians and clerical figures have begun distancing themselves from Ahmadinejad and rallying around Larijani. The shift reflects the fact that Ahmadinejad has alienated many in his own conservative camp with an arrogant personal style and erratic economic and foreign policies. While he still enjoys solid popular support, many Iranians bitterly complain that inflation and unemployment have left the economy in a shambles despite record oil revenues. Says commentator Azar Mansuri: “The gap between rich and poor has become wider. Criticism of the government is growing by the day.”

    Full piece Here.

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  • An Iranian fellow of this very think-tank (WINEP), Mehdi Khalaji, has taken an Iranian blogger to court over calling him a traitor to Iran because of his service for the enemies of humanity at the WINEP. Why are you guys all silent about this?

    http://hoder.com/weblog/archives/016557.shtml

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