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	<title>Comments on: Ledeen and Chinese &#8216;Fascism&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/05/31/ledeen-and-chinese-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-158790</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no Ledeen fan, but if one can get over an ad hominem view of who&#039;s saying the patent truth, It seems beyond debate that China is clearly now a classic fascist country -- its dictatorship having &quot;gracefully&quot; moved from a badly botched experiment called communism to a very promising blend of rampant capitalism-plus-absolute dictatorship -- a not-unique marriage of convenience long known as &quot;fascism&quot;.

Of course, we persist in being utterly blind to (or in total denial of) what we are doing -- effectively totally funding this new fascist enterprise (and its ever-more-massive military) -- our gigantic trade deficit with China single-handedly wiping out China&#039;s deficit with virtually all other &quot;democracies&quot;.

Anyone puzzled by the &quot;news&quot; that &quot;our trade partner&quot; China is in fact a classic example of fascism need not listen to Ledeen.  Just do a little homework of your own, probing the definition and description of fascism.  You will find that indeed China is fascism&#039;s &quot;new poster child&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no Ledeen fan, but if one can get over an ad hominem view of who&#8217;s saying the patent truth, It seems beyond debate that China is clearly now a classic fascist country &#8212; its dictatorship having &#8220;gracefully&#8221; moved from a badly botched experiment called communism to a very promising blend of rampant capitalism-plus-absolute dictatorship &#8212; a not-unique marriage of convenience long known as &#8220;fascism&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course, we persist in being utterly blind to (or in total denial of) what we are doing &#8212; effectively totally funding this new fascist enterprise (and its ever-more-massive military) &#8212; our gigantic trade deficit with China single-handedly wiping out China&#8217;s deficit with virtually all other &#8220;democracies&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anyone puzzled by the &#8220;news&#8221; that &#8220;our trade partner&#8221; China is in fact a classic example of fascism need not listen to Ledeen.  Just do a little homework of your own, probing the definition and description of fascism.  You will find that indeed China is fascism&#8217;s &#8220;new poster child&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: guns tech 9</title>
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		<dc:creator>guns tech 9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;guns tech 9...&lt;/strong&gt;

You must put a lot of work into blogging this much!...</description>
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<p>You must put a lot of work into blogging this much!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TK</title>
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		<dc:creator>TK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was the &quot;war&quot; with India over border disputes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was the &#8220;war&#8221; with India over border disputes.</p>
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		<title>By: John Maszka</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/05/31/ledeen-and-chinese-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-154622</link>
		<dc:creator>John Maszka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In October 2003, China became the first non-ASEAN country to sign the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation. China’s “strategic partnership for peace and prosperity” with the ASEAN member states promised “economic, social and security cooperation.” The tables appear to be turned. China has adopted a cooperative security-based, multilateral, rules-based collective action, positive-sum, international institution building position. Meanwhile the Bush administration has adopted an absolute security, unilateral, preventive war, zero-sum, disdain for international law, treaties and institutions position. Just before the 2004 election, China’s former vice premier and foreign minister, Qian Qichen, published at article attacking the Bush Doctrine stating that President Bush wanted to “rule over the whole world with overwhelming force, military force in particular...The troubles and disasters the United States has met do not stem from threats by others, but from its own cocksureness and arrogance.”
	In its December 2003 White Paper on Non-proliferation Policy and Measures, China states that “China stands for the attainment of the non-proliferation goal through peaceful means... proliferation issues must be settled through dialogue and international cooperation...unilateralism and double standards must be abandoned, and great importance should be attached and full play given to the role of the United Nations” (Liu, 2006:10).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In October 2003, China became the first non-ASEAN country to sign the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation. China’s “strategic partnership for peace and prosperity” with the ASEAN member states promised “economic, social and security cooperation.” The tables appear to be turned. China has adopted a cooperative security-based, multilateral, rules-based collective action, positive-sum, international institution building position. Meanwhile the Bush administration has adopted an absolute security, unilateral, preventive war, zero-sum, disdain for international law, treaties and institutions position. Just before the 2004 election, China’s former vice premier and foreign minister, Qian Qichen, published at article attacking the Bush Doctrine stating that President Bush wanted to “rule over the whole world with overwhelming force, military force in particular&#8230;The troubles and disasters the United States has met do not stem from threats by others, but from its own cocksureness and arrogance.”<br />
	In its December 2003 White Paper on Non-proliferation Policy and Measures, China states that “China stands for the attainment of the non-proliferation goal through peaceful means&#8230; proliferation issues must be settled through dialogue and international cooperation&#8230;unilateralism and double standards must be abandoned, and great importance should be attached and full play given to the role of the United Nations” (Liu, 2006:10).</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/05/31/ledeen-and-chinese-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-154147</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s rich, the USA calling another country a &quot;bully&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s rich, the USA calling another country a &#8220;bully&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The parasite can always find a new host, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The parasite can always find a new host, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Lester Ness</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/05/31/ledeen-and-chinese-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-154118</link>
		<dc:creator>Lester Ness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Israel&#039;s biggest achievement is to prove that Jews don&#039;t know more about finance than anyone else.

Lester Ness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Israel&#8217;s biggest achievement is to prove that Jews don&#8217;t know more about finance than anyone else.</p>
<p>Lester Ness</p>
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		<title>By: Lester Ness</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/05/31/ledeen-and-chinese-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-154115</link>
		<dc:creator>Lester Ness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you enjoy the fantasies the Armeggedonites, one is that China&#039;s hordes of Mongols are preparing to gallop across the frozen Bering Strait and invade Alaska!

Lester Ness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you enjoy the fantasies the Armeggedonites, one is that China&#8217;s hordes of Mongols are preparing to gallop across the frozen Bering Strait and invade Alaska!</p>
<p>Lester Ness</p>
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		<title>By: Lester Ness</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/05/31/ledeen-and-chinese-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-154113</link>
		<dc:creator>Lester Ness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to live in Changchun, not far from Harbin.  A lot of Harbiners ended up in Australia, as well.  The Jewish cemetary is still intact, unlike Shanghai&#039;s.

Lester</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to live in Changchun, not far from Harbin.  A lot of Harbiners ended up in Australia, as well.  The Jewish cemetary is still intact, unlike Shanghai&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Lester</p>
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		<title>By: Lester Ness</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/05/31/ledeen-and-chinese-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-154112</link>
		<dc:creator>Lester Ness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In his excellent essay, &quot;Politics and the English Language,&quot; Orwell advised never using any phrase commonly used in the media. That would definitely eliminate &quot;neo-con&quot;, probably &quot;fascist&quot; too.  I think of them as messianic nationalists, and as no more important than what Justin Raimondo calls &quot;Armeggedonites&quot; (a great name!).

Lester Ness
Kunming
China</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his excellent essay, &#8220;Politics and the English Language,&#8221; Orwell advised never using any phrase commonly used in the media. That would definitely eliminate &#8220;neo-con&#8221;, probably &#8220;fascist&#8221; too.  I think of them as messianic nationalists, and as no more important than what Justin Raimondo calls &#8220;Armeggedonites&#8221; (a great name!).</p>
<p>Lester Ness<br />
Kunming<br />
China</p>
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		<title>By: ss</title>
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		<dc:creator>ss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great  China</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great  China</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/05/31/ledeen-and-chinese-fascism/comment-page-1/#comment-154102</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mainland China is a becoming a big consumer of Iranian oil. Also opposes any attack on Iran. Israel is also now trying to peddle more nuclear technology and other arms to Taiwan.  Get a little cold  war going in that direction, and Israeli arms dealers make out.

Course they also sell to the mainland, including technology got from the US.

Meanwhile as the dollar collapses Israel builds up foreign exchange reserves in Euros.

If the US collapses economically from fighting unnecessary wars in the Near East for Israel--what of it? Didn&#039;t Olmert fly to Moscow right after Putin went to Iran?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mainland China is a becoming a big consumer of Iranian oil. Also opposes any attack on Iran. Israel is also now trying to peddle more nuclear technology and other arms to Taiwan.  Get a little cold  war going in that direction, and Israeli arms dealers make out.</p>
<p>Course they also sell to the mainland, including technology got from the US.</p>
<p>Meanwhile as the dollar collapses Israel builds up foreign exchange reserves in Euros.</p>
<p>If the US collapses economically from fighting unnecessary wars in the Near East for Israel&#8211;what of it? Didn&#8217;t Olmert fly to Moscow right after Putin went to Iran?</p>
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