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		<title>By: Lear K</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/06/02/not-the-first-time-luttwak-gets-his-factual-premises-all-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-154190</link>
		<dc:creator>Lear K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Forgotten Genocide

http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis112.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Forgotten Genocide</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis112.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis112.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lear K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lear K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JustAsking read these!

Ataturk&#039;s Turkey Overturned


http://www.nysun.com/opinion/ataturks-turkey-overturned/58997/


The Forgotten Genocide</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JustAsking read these!</p>
<p>Ataturk&#8217;s Turkey Overturned</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nysun.com/opinion/ataturks-turkey-overturned/58997/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nysun.com/opinion/ataturks-turkey-overturned/58997/</a></p>
<p>The Forgotten Genocide</p>
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		<title>By: Lear K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lear K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JustAsking read these!

Ataturk&#039;s Turkey Overturned


http://www.nysun.com/opinion/ataturks-turkey-overturned/58997/


The Forgotten Genocide

http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis112.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JustAsking read these!</p>
<p>Ataturk&#8217;s Turkey Overturned</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nysun.com/opinion/ataturks-turkey-overturned/58997/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nysun.com/opinion/ataturks-turkey-overturned/58997/</a></p>
<p>The Forgotten Genocide</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis112.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis112.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JustAsking</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustAsking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read those comments after the ABC article on Hillary telling Aipac that Obama would be good for Israel and noticed, like Richard, that just about none were actually about Aipac.  

They all seemed to be vicious comments about either Hillary or Obama, bordering on racism or sexism, but not about the really heinous fact that both candidates needed to pledge fealty to Israel.

I had never really thought about Zionism until after I found out about the Project for the New American Century, but since then I&#039;ve realized that, far from being a conspiracy theory,   aggressive Zionism is present in every aspect of our lives, from control of congress and the WH, to the media.  

As Howard Kohr, executive director of Aipac, told the New York Sun in 2003, Aipac considers as one of one of its greatest achievements that it helped convince the U.S. to use force on Iraq.

And there has been a deliberate attempt to link Christianity and Judaism in the media, while demonizing Islam.  What is this about &quot;Judeo-Christian&quot;?  All three faiths are based on the same foundation, and Jesus is revered in Islam, I would guess much more than in Judaism.

Now this might sound &quot;out there&quot; but I was watching Democracy Now yesterday and they did a really balanced hour on Robert F. Kennedy, with both fans and detractors.  The show aired footage of LBJ&#039;s speech after Kennedy&#039;s assassination in 1968.   In it LBJ talks about extremist factions.  Kennedy was shot one year to the day after the start of Israel&#039;s 1967 &quot;Six Day War&quot; -- and conveniently enough Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian, albeit a Christian.   Sorry if this sounds odd, but it clicked in my mind that Johnson was, even then, demonizing Palestinians as extremists.  

John Pilger, the journalist/ documentary filmmaker  who was also present when RFK was assassinated, said that after Sirhan was under control, there was still someone firing shots.

A video of the first interview with Sirhan Sirhan&#039;s brother was shown, and in it the brother said that to this day Sirhan Sirhan claims that he has no memory of the shooting.  Now, WIRED magazine just did a funny piece of all the spy technology that the U.S. actually used back in the &quot;Get Smart&quot; days -- some of it was pretty sophisticated.

OK, this is where I go into &quot;conspiracy theory&quot; land (and I was five when RFK was shot so don&#039;t remember much of the hoopla surrounding it) -- would it be possible that Sirhan was under some kind of Mossad mind control drug, and that he was the patsy for an attempt by the  Mossad to ensure that Palestinians were portrayed in a very unfavorable light?

It&#039;s not as if Israel has never used false flag operations before or since.  It&#039;s not as if Israeli hasbara (propaganda) is not a staple of American life, the entire media is a front for Israel. 

And Israel&#039;s Megaphone program has been unusually active lately, especially on the mainstream media message boards, where a surprising number of posters show support of all things pro-Israel, many &quot;coincidently&quot; hitting the same talking points.

Anyway, if someone knows more about the RFK assassination and would like to enlighten me as to if I&#039;m way out there, or plausible, I would be grateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read those comments after the ABC article on Hillary telling Aipac that Obama would be good for Israel and noticed, like Richard, that just about none were actually about Aipac.  </p>
<p>They all seemed to be vicious comments about either Hillary or Obama, bordering on racism or sexism, but not about the really heinous fact that both candidates needed to pledge fealty to Israel.</p>
<p>I had never really thought about Zionism until after I found out about the Project for the New American Century, but since then I&#8217;ve realized that, far from being a conspiracy theory,   aggressive Zionism is present in every aspect of our lives, from control of congress and the WH, to the media.  </p>
<p>As Howard Kohr, executive director of Aipac, told the New York Sun in 2003, Aipac considers as one of one of its greatest achievements that it helped convince the U.S. to use force on Iraq.</p>
<p>And there has been a deliberate attempt to link Christianity and Judaism in the media, while demonizing Islam.  What is this about &#8220;Judeo-Christian&#8221;?  All three faiths are based on the same foundation, and Jesus is revered in Islam, I would guess much more than in Judaism.</p>
<p>Now this might sound &#8220;out there&#8221; but I was watching Democracy Now yesterday and they did a really balanced hour on Robert F. Kennedy, with both fans and detractors.  The show aired footage of LBJ&#8217;s speech after Kennedy&#8217;s assassination in 1968.   In it LBJ talks about extremist factions.  Kennedy was shot one year to the day after the start of Israel&#8217;s 1967 &#8220;Six Day War&#8221; &#8212; and conveniently enough Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian, albeit a Christian.   Sorry if this sounds odd, but it clicked in my mind that Johnson was, even then, demonizing Palestinians as extremists.  </p>
<p>John Pilger, the journalist/ documentary filmmaker  who was also present when RFK was assassinated, said that after Sirhan was under control, there was still someone firing shots.</p>
<p>A video of the first interview with Sirhan Sirhan&#8217;s brother was shown, and in it the brother said that to this day Sirhan Sirhan claims that he has no memory of the shooting.  Now, WIRED magazine just did a funny piece of all the spy technology that the U.S. actually used back in the &#8220;Get Smart&#8221; days &#8212; some of it was pretty sophisticated.</p>
<p>OK, this is where I go into &#8220;conspiracy theory&#8221; land (and I was five when RFK was shot so don&#8217;t remember much of the hoopla surrounding it) &#8212; would it be possible that Sirhan was under some kind of Mossad mind control drug, and that he was the patsy for an attempt by the  Mossad to ensure that Palestinians were portrayed in a very unfavorable light?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if Israel has never used false flag operations before or since.  It&#8217;s not as if Israeli hasbara (propaganda) is not a staple of American life, the entire media is a front for Israel. </p>
<p>And Israel&#8217;s Megaphone program has been unusually active lately, especially on the mainstream media message boards, where a surprising number of posters show support of all things pro-Israel, many &#8220;coincidently&#8221; hitting the same talking points.</p>
<p>Anyway, if someone knows more about the RFK assassination and would like to enlighten me as to if I&#8217;m way out there, or plausible, I would be grateful.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The first-known uses of the terms &quot;Judeo-Christian&quot; and &#039;Judeo-Christianity&#039;, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, are 1899 and 1910 respectively....&quot;

[wikipedia]

Track that down thoroughly, think about it, and you have part of the answer. One might also want to uncover the first uses of &quot;Anti-Semitic&quot;.

But again that is just part of the story.

As for the Born Again contribution, from Reagan onward, the history of Prohibition.

Leo Strauss and the old Trotskyites who transformed into &quot;Neo-Conservatives&quot; are the another piece of the puzzle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The first-known uses of the terms &#8220;Judeo-Christian&#8221; and &#8216;Judeo-Christianity&#8217;, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, are 1899 and 1910 respectively&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>[wikipedia]</p>
<p>Track that down thoroughly, think about it, and you have part of the answer. One might also want to uncover the first uses of &#8220;Anti-Semitic&#8221;.</p>
<p>But again that is just part of the story.</p>
<p>As for the Born Again contribution, from Reagan onward, the history of Prohibition.</p>
<p>Leo Strauss and the old Trotskyites who transformed into &#8220;Neo-Conservatives&#8221; are the another piece of the puzzle.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Tim. I think there&#039;s a lot of good in what you say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tim. I think there&#8217;s a lot of good in what you say.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 04:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me but did I ever say &quot;ALL&quot; Muslims? Stop twisting my words. You are correct that it is only a minority of Muslims that feel this way. However, I do believe it to be a rather large and substantial minority. Also, as I have said many times before, when you have over a billion Muslims in the world, even a small percentage that are radicalized presents a huge problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me but did I ever say &#8220;ALL&#8221; Muslims? Stop twisting my words. You are correct that it is only a minority of Muslims that feel this way. However, I do believe it to be a rather large and substantial minority. Also, as I have said many times before, when you have over a billion Muslims in the world, even a small percentage that are radicalized presents a huge problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Rood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Rood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim R, you do not just believe that &quot;radical Islam&quot; is dangerous. In your past posts you have labeled all Islamic society as backward. You paint with a broad brush indeed. Yet you seem not to care a whit about elements of Christian or Western society that are every bit as barbaric as what you claim is endemic to the Muslim world. You are indeed an Islamophobe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim R, you do not just believe that &#8220;radical Islam&#8221; is dangerous. In your past posts you have labeled all Islamic society as backward. You paint with a broad brush indeed. Yet you seem not to care a whit about elements of Christian or Western society that are every bit as barbaric as what you claim is endemic to the Muslim world. You are indeed an Islamophobe.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Rood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Rood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim R, we have an administration that not only condoned torture, but insisted on it.  Our military tribunals are admitting as evidence confessions obtained through torture. Many detainees have died during interrogation, and please don&#039;t answer with the bullshit that they&#039;re all terrorists and deserve it. It&#039;s well documented that the vast majority of original Guantanamo detainees were completely innocent and were simply rounded up in Pakistan or elsewhere and sold to US authorities. Many have already been released; in some cases there&#039;s documentary evidence that they were never at a training camp or anywhere near any fighting. All were uniformly tortured. Many Americans actually support the torture and renditions. 

In 2001, when Northern Alliance commanders wanted to accept conditional surrender of Taliban troops in order to save the lives of their own and Taliban fighters, US advisors insisted they demand unconditional surrender instead. The Muslim Afghans negotiated anyway and saved thousands of lives.

Yet you claim Western moral superiority over Muslims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim R, we have an administration that not only condoned torture, but insisted on it.  Our military tribunals are admitting as evidence confessions obtained through torture. Many detainees have died during interrogation, and please don&#8217;t answer with the bullshit that they&#8217;re all terrorists and deserve it. It&#8217;s well documented that the vast majority of original Guantanamo detainees were completely innocent and were simply rounded up in Pakistan or elsewhere and sold to US authorities. Many have already been released; in some cases there&#8217;s documentary evidence that they were never at a training camp or anywhere near any fighting. All were uniformly tortured. Many Americans actually support the torture and renditions. </p>
<p>In 2001, when Northern Alliance commanders wanted to accept conditional surrender of Taliban troops in order to save the lives of their own and Taliban fighters, US advisors insisted they demand unconditional surrender instead. The Muslim Afghans negotiated anyway and saved thousands of lives.</p>
<p>Yet you claim Western moral superiority over Muslims?</p>
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		<title>By: anti-neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anti-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One needs to look at the identity of who owns/heads each of the networks or newspapers and/or heads the corporations that run them to know why the Americans are not being told the truth about the Israeli connection.  My favorite finanial advisor informed me yesterday that both of the political parties are owned by Israel and that that is not good for America.  Besides, look at the vicious Israel Firsters who head Homeland Insecurity and the Department of Injustice who can rush you to perpetual prison and torture if you tell the truth about the plan, the design.  Look it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One needs to look at the identity of who owns/heads each of the networks or newspapers and/or heads the corporations that run them to know why the Americans are not being told the truth about the Israeli connection.  My favorite finanial advisor informed me yesterday that both of the political parties are owned by Israel and that that is not good for America.  Besides, look at the vicious Israel Firsters who head Homeland Insecurity and the Department of Injustice who can rush you to perpetual prison and torture if you tell the truth about the plan, the design.  Look it up.</p>
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