Comments on: China – Taiwan: trade and prosperity http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:37:10 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Gil http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-157124 Gil Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:26:09 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-157124 You seem to have no grasp of what "one-China" policy is and what it means, and your comparison of US-Taiwan and US-Israel relationships is totally ridiculous. As for China/Taiwan reunification, maybe you should read up on "the art of fighting without fighting". You seem to have no grasp of what “one-China” policy is and what it means, and your comparison of US-Taiwan and US-Israel relationships is totally ridiculous. As for China/Taiwan reunification, maybe you should read up on “the art of fighting without fighting”.

]]> By: little guy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-157113 little guy Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:53:59 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-157113 @ Gil: Taiwan has cunningly sought to position itself as a friend and ally of the US...like Israel, it's relationship to the US is one of parasite/host. This position is irreconcilable with the One-China policy...therefore Taiwan must/will be reabsorbed by force. Period! China will wait until the IsraelUS attacks Iran and is hopelessly mired in a three front conflagration...only then will it attack Taiwan. Hehe, the Chinese are not going to wait around while the US gets more and more powerful. The Chinese have been repeatedly humiliated by the ultra cozy US-Taiwan relationship...lol, Taiwan is already a "dead man walking"! I know it's hard for an american to understand but: some things in life are much more important than money! @ Gil: Taiwan has cunningly sought to position itself as a friend and ally of the US…like Israel, it’s relationship to the US is one of parasite/host. This position is irreconcilable with the One-China policy…therefore Taiwan must/will be reabsorbed by force. Period!

China will wait until the IsraelUS attacks Iran and is hopelessly mired in a three front conflagration…only then will it attack Taiwan. Hehe, the Chinese are not going to wait around while the US gets more and more powerful.

The Chinese have been repeatedly humiliated by the ultra cozy US-Taiwan relationship…lol, Taiwan is already a “dead man walking”!

I know it’s hard for an american to understand but: some things in life are much more important than money!

]]> By: Gil http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-156923 Gil Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:19:03 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-156923 @ little guy. Taiwan has been buying weapons from the US for the last 40, 50 years. China doesn't like it, but has learned to live with it. As long as Taiwan doesn't seek WMDs, China would not lose sleep over it. Sometimes Taiwan buys weapons from the US because it wants to, and sometimes it buys even when it doesn't want to. (e.g. Uncle Sam/defense contractors would pressure Taiwan into buying 5 good airplanes and 50 other crappy items that nobody wants.) The president of Taiwan(he was born in China and earned an S.J.D. degree from Harvard Law School in 1981.) has publicly stated that Taiwan would not get into an arm race with China. Taiwan is a tiny Island. It would be suicidal if Taiwan seeks WMDs, and it can't outspend China. So military confrontation with China is not the best way to go about it. I agree that Chinese leadership has a very keen interest in reunification. Their #1 priority is to prevent Taiwan from breaking away from China, and they would invade Taiwan if that happens. However, that is different than pushing reunification by force. From Deng to the current Chinese leadership, their core doctrine has been that reunification is a task that can be taken care of by the "next generation" when it can be achieved by peace and not by war. The economy between China and Taiwan is so intertwined now that they have come to mutual understanding that war is the worst solution. The relationship between the two sides is very cozy now. In the foreseeable future, Taiwan won't make a move for independent, and China won't make a move for reunification. Thus, status quo continues. And as their relationship gets closer and closer, the chance of war gets lower and lower. @ little guy. Taiwan has been buying weapons from the US for the last 40, 50 years. China doesn’t like it, but has learned to live with it. As long as Taiwan doesn’t seek WMDs, China would not lose sleep over it. Sometimes Taiwan buys weapons from the US because it wants to, and sometimes it buys even when it doesn’t want to. (e.g. Uncle Sam/defense contractors would pressure Taiwan into buying 5 good airplanes and 50 other crappy items that nobody wants.)

The president of Taiwan(he was born in China and earned an S.J.D. degree from Harvard Law School in 1981.) has publicly stated that Taiwan would not get into an arm race with China. Taiwan is a tiny Island. It would be suicidal if Taiwan seeks WMDs, and it can’t outspend China. So military confrontation with China is not the best way to go about it.

I agree that Chinese leadership has a very keen interest in reunification. Their #1 priority is to prevent Taiwan from breaking away from China, and they would invade Taiwan if that happens. However, that is different than pushing reunification by force. From Deng to the current Chinese leadership, their core doctrine has been that reunification is a task that can be taken care of by the “next generation” when it can be achieved by peace and not by war.

The economy between China and Taiwan is so intertwined now that they have come to mutual understanding that war is the worst solution. The relationship between the two sides is very cozy now. In the foreseeable future, Taiwan won’t make a move for independent, and China won’t make a move for reunification. Thus, status quo continues. And as their relationship gets closer and closer, the chance of war gets lower and lower.

]]> By: little guy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-156832 little guy Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:10:22 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-156832 @ Gil: If you think that China is just going to allow Taiwan to keep buying weapons from the US indefinitely you're dreaming! Chinese leadership has a very keen interest in reunification!! WTF! XD @ Gil: If you think that China is just going to allow Taiwan to keep buying weapons from the US indefinitely you’re dreaming! Chinese leadership has a very keen interest in reunification!! WTF! XD

]]> By: Gil http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-156828 Gil Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:44:55 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-156828 War is highly unlikely. Life is good for everyone -- 2 million of Taiwanese living and working, plus billions of dollars from Taiwan invested, in China. All China and Taiwan want is status quo - to make money not war. Taiwan is not pushing for independent, and China not for unification. Taiwan is a de facto independent country anyway. Besides a few ideologues, most Taiwanese are content with the current arrangement. From Chinese point of view, war is the last resort to prevent Taiwan declaring independent. Chinese leadership has no interest invading Taiwan and Taiwan leadership has no interest declaring independent. They understand that friendly relationship between China and Taiwan would benefit both sides, less chance of war and more opportunities to make money. War is highly unlikely. Life is good for everyone — 2 million of Taiwanese living and working, plus billions of dollars from Taiwan invested, in China. All China and Taiwan want is status quo – to make money not war. Taiwan is not pushing for independent, and China not for unification. Taiwan is a de facto independent country anyway. Besides a few ideologues, most Taiwanese are content with the current arrangement. From Chinese point of view, war is the last resort to prevent Taiwan declaring independent. Chinese leadership has no interest invading Taiwan and Taiwan leadership has no interest declaring independent. They understand that friendly relationship between China and Taiwan would benefit both sides, less chance of war and more opportunities to make money.

]]> By: little guy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-156599 little guy Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:02:49 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-156599 lmao! There's an article dated July 13 here on anti-war.com: Taiwanese leader says US weapons still needed in spite of "warming" relations with China! XD lmao! There’s an article dated July 13 here on anti-war.com: Taiwanese leader says US weapons still needed in spite of “warming” relations with China! XD

]]> By: Will Blalock http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-156455 Will Blalock Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:35:46 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-156455 By the way... Walmart has done more for world peace in the last 10 years than the Pentagon has done in the last 100. By the way…

Walmart has done more for world peace in the last
10 years than the Pentagon has done in the last 100.

]]> By: Will Blalock http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-156452 Will Blalock Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:00:13 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-156452 For all you warhawks that think you understand Chinese relations here's a reality check: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080708_taiwan_declares_peace_on_china/ How sad that we Americans are all prepped for a great war but then the Tai's and Chinese defuse tensions with TRADE. How disappointing. American warhawks need to pull their heads out of their butts. You want war, death and mayhem? Go buy yourself a video game you childish idiots. For all you warhawks that think you understand Chinese
relations here’s a reality check:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080708_taiwan_declares_peace_on_china/

How sad that we Americans are all prepped for a great war
but then the Tai’s and Chinese defuse tensions with TRADE.
How disappointing.
American warhawks need to pull their heads out of their butts.
You want war, death and mayhem?
Go buy yourself a video game you childish idiots.

]]> By: Readin http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-156361 Readin Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:39:29 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-156361 Hopefully support will be in a form to prevent a war - by providing weapons and training to Taiwan. Another important step would be a Free Trade Agreement with Taiwan to strengthen their economy. For those of us who love Taiwan, the question of winning a war in support of Taiwan's independence is not the question. Whether Taiwan surrenders to China (with or without a fight) or whether Taiwan wins independence through war, damage to millions of lives. We don't want war, and we don't want slavery. We want freedom and peace. We need to take action before it becomes a question of whether Americans need to die too. Hopefully support will be in a form to prevent a war – by providing weapons and training to Taiwan. Another important step would be a Free Trade Agreement with Taiwan to strengthen their economy. For those of us who love Taiwan, the question of winning a war in support of Taiwan’s independence is not the question. Whether Taiwan surrenders to China (with or without a fight) or whether Taiwan wins independence through war, damage to millions of lives. We don’t want war, and we don’t want slavery. We want freedom and peace. We need to take action before it becomes a question of whether Americans need to die too.

]]> By: Will Blalock http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-156291 Will Blalock Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:25:26 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-156291 Baloney. I work with many Tai's and Chinese. They are already at peace. Power is projected through treaty, not just presence. Baloney.
I work with many Tai’s and Chinese.
They are already at peace.
Power is projected through treaty,
not just presence.

]]> By: andy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-156288 andy Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:15:36 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-156288 But WHY should Americans die for Taiwan sir? You have never been able to give an adequate reason for this. Your comments are vague. What EXACTLY do you MEAN by "support". Should 10,000 American servicemen die in the defense of Taiwan? I don't want to see one single American soldier killed because of Taiwan. But WHY should Americans die for Taiwan sir? You have never been able to give an adequate reason for this. Your comments are vague. What EXACTLY do you MEAN by “support”. Should 10,000 American servicemen die in the defense of Taiwan? I don’t want to see one single American soldier killed because of Taiwan.

]]> By: Dan T http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/07/05/china-tawain-trade-and-prosperity/comment-page-1/#comment-156280 Dan T Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:04:39 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4390#comment-156280 Yeah, well, if we look at history.... troops and traders cross boarders at the same time. It's called colonialism, and it's alive and well in our present capitalist empire. Yeah, well, if we look at history…. troops and traders cross boarders at the same time. It’s called colonialism, and it’s alive and well in our present capitalist empire.

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