Comments on: McCain as Neo-Con, Obama as Neo-Con

By: Gracie

Gracie — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:31:54 +0000

“Just one more note here: I’m getting a bit sick of hearing Americans dissed as uncaring and hypnotized by their moronic TV shows.” Ditto. Let’s face issue seriously in this thread, please.

By: Dissident Voice : Why Not Simply Abolish NATO?

Dissident Voice : Why Not Simply Abolish NATO? — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:01:46 +0000

[...] interventionists, and this is essentially because both rely on advisers originating from the same neocon [...]

By: Corporatism, Collectivism & The Battle Between Human Interests vs. Non-Human Interests « Wake Me Now

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:37:52 +0000

[...] a tad more than the other guy, but only because he’s so damned savvy and charismatic though NOT a ‘true’ Democrat. Not in the sense the people take him for. His conservative corporatist leaning worry me mostly, [...]

By: John Lowell

John Lowell — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:27:57 +0000

Nike,

Yes, there is a very curious resemblance of American public attitudes these days regarding torture, privacy and the like to majority attitudes concerning the most questionable behaviors of the National Socialists in Germany in the period, say, 1945-1950. The coming of the Cold War disguised much of German resistance to the agreed upon de-Nazification programs, particularly in the Western Zones, primarily because it came to be accepted simply out of self interest on the part of the American and British conquerors. Much of the same tone suffuses majority American views today. It is as if there is even a certain willingness to excuse our own Hitlers and Goerings. Much to regret and actively oppose here.

By: Mark Eichenlaub

Mark Eichenlaub — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:13:13 +0000

Why would it be bad to have the Baath fight their former ally al Qaeda? Who of course you antiwar folks said would “never” cooperate.

By: Nike

Nike — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:44:53 +0000

ktrout, the fact is that the American people KNEW - every single one of them - that Chimp was running torture chambers BEFORE Americans rewarded The Torturer with a second term in power, back in 2004. Family values at their best.
All Americans aren’t scumbags, true - just the majority.
God Bless America.

By: ktrout

ktrout — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:33:03 +0000

Just one more note here: I’m getting a bit sick of hearing Americans dissed as uncaring and hypnotized by their moronic TV shows. The runup to the Iraq war saw some of the largest protests in history, with the net result of zero. If you think protesting will effect change now, then who’s playing the fool here? (I protest because I have to do something, but I have no illusions about its being efficacious) Every national poll shows the overwhelming majority of Americans see what’s going on, think it is wrong and are very concerned about how to stop it. What do you do when your government representatives no longer listen to you and block every attempt to force them to see what they are doing, and the parties with a lock on power bar the door for anyone else? Dump your job and your family and take up arms? Turn your back on your own future and that of your family for the sake of (at this time) a hopeless quest against your government? That is essentially the choice we have quite pointedly faced for the past seven years. I don’t have the answers, but I know, in my experience anyway, beating people about the head and shoulders over how bad (stupid, uninformed, useless, “sheeple”, whatever) they are has changed no one and nothing; more often than not it’s an ego exercise for the writer (as in “I am so much better than these fools!”) than an actual constructive approach to solving a problem.

By: ktrout

ktrout — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:59:34 +0000

I can only sit here and be astounded at seeing even Jim Lobe put “realist” and “war on terrorism” in the same sentence. How can ANYONE realistically pursue a completely mad goal - one that is essentially a fool’s errand with its only guarantee being to end in bankruptcy (in every sense) for the United States. How far the madness does creep in!

By: John Kurius

John Kurius — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:52:42 +0000

Jim Lobe, an execellent journalist, was of course quoting from two pundits–Lake and Judis. Most political pundits still get hung up on these silly ideological distinctions. They do have a place in the dialogue but in the present circumstance they really are insignifcant. I do not believe the candidates know the difference between liberal or conservative, or for that matter care. They only do what they believe will get them elected. And that is called pragmatism. The zionists of American have at their disposal great heaps of money, and that can buy the loyalty of anyone with supreme ambition. If you really think of it–which most people have not–Obama is a manchurian creation. He is there at the behest of/and to service one wing of the zionist entity. whenever they beckon Whatever views he has–if he has any–is not important. If elected his handlers will trot him out with a script, which he will read to the American people. The gentile elite has made common cause with the Obama Jewish wing in their desperate hope for salvation. But if they are too take a retrospective study of their new allies they would realize that that is not going to happen. Yet hope is all that is left. John Kurius

By: andy

andy — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:34:06 +0000

It really doesn’t matter which party is in power, American foreign policy basically remains the same. Both parties are essentially committed to America as ‘the world’s policeman’. Both parties favour an interventionist foreign policy. Neither party talks about ending outdated alliances like Nato, or with South Korea. Remarkably little really changes whichever party is in power. Did the election of the Democrats in 2006 end the war in Iraq? If Bush was wrong to attack Iraq, wasn’t Clinton wrong to attack Serbia? The truth is U.S. foreign policy basically exists independent of whoever is in power in Washington. American “elites” simply take as a given that the world “needs” American leadership, that they “know” whats best for us and they basically treat the U.S. military the way a spoiled kid treats a shiny new toy. Remember what Albright said about what’s the point in having this neat military if you can’t use it? Barring massive protest from the American people (which without a draft seems improbable, isn’t it more fun to just watch American idol?) only a total economic collapse will cause any real change in America’s disastrous foreign polices.

By: richard vajs

richard vajs — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:01:11 +0000

I gave up on Obama as soon as he disowned his own pastor. I never gave him much slack to begin with; my first impression of the guy was - “black Nixon”( from the measured cadence of his speaking).

By: Give Peas A Chance

Give Peas A Chance — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:02:00 +0000

I think that the reason Lake didn’t mention Israel is that the neo-cons have already become so closely affiliated with Israel in the “thinking” public’s (all ten of us) mind, that when that inevitable Israeli false-flag attack occurs, blamed on Iran, many people who know of Israel’s ties to the neo-cons will immediately point the finger at Israel.

Lake is just using that old Mossad tactic “By way of deception…”

People call us peaceniks traitors, but that isn’t the case — we love our country so much that we don’t want it to err, and certainly not march all over the world killing innocents willy-nilly while draining what’s left of our coffers.

The real traitors are the Israel-firsters and the Congress that aids and abets them. Can’t we get some kind of alien and sedition act going for them? Well, I guess I can dream…