Comments on: ‘Left Behind’ and that McCain Ad http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:25:33 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Lester Ness http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-165412 Lester Ness Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:52:57 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-165412 "But of that day and hour no man knows...." -- Jesus “But of that day and hour no man knows….” — Jesus

]]> By: Lester Ness http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-165411 Lester Ness Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:51:41 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-165411 No, Christian use of Christian symbolism. Zhu Bajie No, Christian use of Christian symbolism.

Zhu Bajie

]]> By: Tim http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-158814 Tim Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:11:39 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-158814 Les, I read the Ninety-Five Theses Against Dispensationalism. This is good stuff. I highly recommend this site www.AgainstDispensationalism.com. -- Tim Les, I read the Ninety-Five Theses Against Dispensationalism. This is good stuff. I highly recommend this site http://www.AgainstDispensationalism.com. — Tim

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-158713 Rowan Berkeley Sat, 09 Aug 2008 07:57:47 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-158713 I've managed to ventilate my actual views here, if anyone wants to know what they are (in the comments): http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/hebron-settlers-pour-boiling-water-on-people-bearing-witness.html I’ve managed to ventilate my actual views here, if anyone wants to know what they are (in the comments):
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/hebron-settlers-pour-boiling-water-on-people-bearing-witness.html

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-158711 Rowan Berkeley Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:36:17 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-158711 By the way, it's distressing to find one's comments censored like this, here. By the way, it’s distressing to find one’s comments censored like this, here.

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-158708 Rowan Berkeley Sat, 09 Aug 2008 05:50:07 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-158708 I see that the comment I attempted to post arguing that the problem can legitimately be described as the result of 'Jewish influence' as a whole rather than 'Israeli nationalist influence' has not been displayed. However, my point, once again, was that the entire Jewish Left has the effect (whether intentional or not) of preventing US Christians from kicking zionists out of their churches, since to do so would bring accusations of anti-semitism even from the people who hate evangelical domination, such as e.g. the mikey weinsteins of this world (who profess to want the evangelicals stopped by a secular or center-leftist culture which in point of fact does not exist). I see that the comment I attempted to post arguing that the problem can legitimately be described as the result of ‘Jewish influence’ as a whole rather than ‘Israeli nationalist influence’ has not been displayed. However, my point, once again, was that the entire Jewish Left has the effect (whether intentional or not) of preventing US Christians from kicking zionists out of their churches, since to do so would bring accusations of anti-semitism even from the people who hate evangelical domination, such as e.g. the mikey weinsteins of this world (who profess to want the evangelicals stopped by a secular or center-leftist culture which in point of fact does not exist).

]]> By: Les http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-158703 Les Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:37:46 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-158703 Your all wrong. This is a huge fight between two different schools of conservative Christian theology on eschaltogy. The Dispensationlists have more fiscal resources than the Reformed crowd and most of the public believes that that Dispensationists represent the majority of Christians. That is wrong, wrong. In reality, almost of every Christian that I now does not believe in that. The Conservative Christians already got the internal police on these guys (http://www.againstdispensationalism.com/) The problem is that we are dealing with one part of the Church is so well-funded that it displaces about 60% of the Conservative Christianity that disagrees with it. This is to due to the marketing machine of Commerical Christianity that is based on Word of Faith and Dispensationlism and us Reformed Christianity despise it. Your all wrong. This is a huge fight between two different schools of conservative Christian theology on eschaltogy.

The Dispensationlists have more fiscal resources than the Reformed crowd and most of the public believes that that Dispensationists represent the majority of Christians.

That is wrong, wrong. In reality, almost of every Christian that I now does not believe in that.

The Conservative Christians already got the internal police on these guys
(http://www.againstdispensationalism.com/)

The problem is that we are dealing with one part of the Church is so well-funded that it displaces about 60% of the Conservative Christianity that disagrees with it. This is to due to the marketing machine of Commerical Christianity that is based on Word of Faith and Dispensationlism and us Reformed Christianity despise it.

]]> By: Strider http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-158670 Strider Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:01:36 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-158670 Hmm, I started noticing the parallels between Obama and Carpathia back in June, and composed a table document about it last month. Looks like I'll have to add a McCain column to the table -- I'd forgotten about that tumor. Thanks, Tikhon! That said, IMHO Obama still gets the edge in the Antichrist Sweepstakes. He has his own false prophet (Rev. Wright), his followers are worldwide and far more fanatical than McCain's, and while Mrs. Obama could be a credible parallel to Viv Ivins ("Ms. 666"), so far I haven't seen a convincing McCainiac version (though Ann Coulter wИould qualify if she joined his campaign). Finally, Carpathia's career progression is a much better match to Obama's than to McCain's. If McCain has a fictional counterpart, it's Palpatine. He even looks a lot like the senator-turned-emperor, at least in Episode III. And I was calling him that way back in 2000 because of their twin quests for absolute power. Of course, there's a character Obama and McCain have in common -- namely, Gollum. Both are scheming megalomaniacs whose sole purpose in life is to take the One Ring for themselves. Fast-forward to either one's victory speech in November: <b>"Yes! Yes! Yes!! Precious! Precious! Precious!!"</b> There's never a volcano around when you need one! :-o Hmm, I started noticing the parallels between Obama and Carpathia back in June, and composed a table document about it last month. Looks like I’ll have to add a McCain column to the table — I’d forgotten about that tumor. Thanks, Tikhon! That said, IMHO Obama still gets the edge in the Antichrist Sweepstakes. He has his own false prophet (Rev. Wright), his followers are worldwide and far more fanatical than McCain’s, and while Mrs. Obama could be a credible parallel to Viv Ivins (”Ms. 666″), so far I haven’t seen a convincing McCainiac version (though Ann Coulter wИould qualify if she joined his campaign). Finally, Carpathia’s career progression is a much better match to Obama’s than to McCain’s.

If McCain has a fictional counterpart, it’s Palpatine. He even looks a lot like the senator-turned-emperor, at least in Episode III. And I was calling him that way back in 2000 because of their twin quests for absolute power.

Of course, there’s a character Obama and McCain have in common — namely, Gollum. Both are scheming megalomaniacs whose sole purpose in life is to take the One Ring for themselves. Fast-forward to either one’s victory speech in November: “Yes! Yes! Yes!! Precious! Precious! Precious!!” There’s never a volcano around when you need one! :-o

]]> By: Eric http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-158650 Eric Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:26:18 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-158650 Oh, dear lord, we have let stupidity get way out of control in this country. How can you fight the passionately intense delusions of millions of people? I should know how hard it is to get through to such people: my sister is one of them. I just don't understand why these people want so much to believe this depressing and irrational garbage. It's like, they need to believe these really awful, scary, magical things to offset the magic, deliriously total happiness which they strenuously insist Jesus gives them every waking moment of their lives. They wortk so hard at being preposterously, aggressively, overbearingly brimming with love and good cheer, every single goddam second, lest somebody doubt their righteousness in the lord. The only relief from this exhausting, constantly willed super-happiness is the fearful contemplation of the devils all around them. There is the one place in their psychic landscape where they are allowed to rest from their laborious affectation of continuous ecstasy. Maybe after furiously smiling your face off all day, from time to time you really just need to hate and fear something with equal fervor. Oh, dear lord, we have let stupidity get way out of control in this country. How can you fight the passionately intense delusions of millions of people? I should know how hard it is to get through to such people: my sister is one of them.

I just don’t understand why these people want so much to believe this depressing and irrational garbage. It’s like, they need to believe these really awful, scary, magical things to offset the magic, deliriously total happiness which they strenuously insist Jesus gives them every waking moment of their lives.

They wortk so hard at being preposterously, aggressively, overbearingly brimming with love and good cheer, every single goddam second, lest somebody doubt their righteousness in the lord. The only relief from this exhausting, constantly willed super-happiness is the fearful contemplation of the devils all around them. There is the one place in their psychic landscape where they are allowed to rest from their laborious affectation of continuous ecstasy. Maybe after furiously smiling your face off all day, from time to time you really just need to hate and fear something with equal fervor.

]]> By: Tikhon Gilson http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-158649 Tikhon Gilson Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:19:15 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-158649 If anybody is Antichrist here, it is McCain. He's even survived a head wound (tumor removed). More importantly, he presents himself and the US military as saviors of the world. Antichrist always imitates the real thing. His false prophet is the borderline-psychotic John Hagee. He wants all Jews to return to Israel--so they can be blown up in the great Battle of Armageddon. With friends like these, Israel does not need enemies. If anybody is Antichrist here, it is McCain. He’s even survived a head wound (tumor removed). More importantly, he presents himself and the US military as saviors of the world. Antichrist always imitates the real thing.

His false prophet is the borderline-psychotic John Hagee. He wants all Jews to return to Israel–so they can be blown up in the great Battle of Armageddon. With friends like these, Israel does not need enemies.

]]> By: John Lowell http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-158644 John Lowell Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:57:33 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-158644 Not at all comfortable with this remark, I'm afraid. Too much in common with the picture of Jews emerging in such filth as the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion, Jews drinking the blood of Christian children and the like. A far better and more truthful choice would have been "Likudist use of Premillenial Dispensational eschatological imagery". Beside the anti-semitic thrust, the remark also identifies Christian belief in a way that is quite wide of the mark. Not at all comfortable with this remark, I’m afraid. Too much in common with the picture of Jews emerging in such filth as the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion, Jews drinking the blood of Christian children and the like. A far better and more truthful choice would have been “Likudist use of Premillenial Dispensational eschatological imagery”. Beside the anti-semitic thrust, the remark also identifies Christian belief in a way that is quite wide of the mark.

]]> By: hjmaiere http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/06/left-behind-and-that-mccain-ad/comment-page-1/#comment-158643 hjmaiere Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:30:09 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4504#comment-158643 Not "Jewish." Israeli nationalist. There's a difference. Not “Jewish.” Israeli nationalist. There’s a difference.

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