Comments on: Hamdan Given 66 Months, Less Time Served, Plus Life

By: The best libertarian reading on the web « Anti-war Libertarian

The best libertarian reading on the web « Anti-war Libertarian — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:36:14 +0000

[...] has been perpetrated on Hamdan, an American military detainee. What is this injustice? Check out Scott Horton’s post for the [...]

By: MoT

MoT — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:21:34 +0000

You need to forget about the “leading to fascism” bit. Its been a part of America for quite some time and not simply because Junior chose to exercise its tentacles more than his predecessors. It should be self evident that regardless of party the fascist machine moves of its own accord. All the noise generated by the political panderers is simply there to distract you from your velvet covered chains.

By: Pablo Escobar

Pablo Escobar — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:21:15 +0000

There is no such thing as hyperbole when it comes to criticising government officials. They wield power over our lives and deserve nothing more than to be treated as the scum of the Earth (while they remain in office, once they resign or retire they can be treated with respect again).

By the way, it’s very clear that terrorists hate America the most. Australia is still a safe place to live – 0 fatalities from domestic terrorism.

Don’t forget to vote for Bob Barr (most viable third party candidate). I guarantee Barack won’t withdraw troops from Iraq. The Democrats were elected in 2006 to cut off funding and they probably tripled the funding for the war.

By: Johanna Swaag

Johanna Swaag — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:24:34 +0000

See the movie “The road to Guantanamo” about the Tipton four.

By: Brad Smith

Brad Smith — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:37:43 +0000

“Several disturbing analogies exist between George W. Bush and history’s most infamous fascist, Adolph Hitler: Both men assumed power in defiance of the will of the majority; both men used “great lies” to pursue their warmongering agendas; both men preyed upon humanity’s basest instincts to disseminate those “great lies”; both men were appeased by the British government, Hitler through Neville Chamberlain and Bush through Tony Blair; both men were willing to use national tragedies to justify the destruction of civil liberties, Hitler through the burning of the Reichstag and Bush through the September 11th terrorist attacks; both men were/are suspected of either participating in, or ignoring warnings about the imminence of, these tragedies in order to enhance their political stature and power; both men demonstrated no compunction about exploiting a culture of death for political self-aggrandizement, Hitler through his well-publicized genocide campaigns, and Bush who, while governor of Texas, routinely denied DNA tests to death row inmates, even though such tests could prevent wrongful executions; both men were willing to appeal to racism, Hitler through his quest for a “master race,” and Bush through his condemnation of affirmative action policies, which primarily benefit racial minorities. While denouncing such policies as “preferential treatment,” Bush predictably displayed no such aversion to the preferential treatment enjoyed by wealthy white people, like himself, through a system of nepotism and cronyism; both men reveled in war and exploited the military to satiate their personal ambitions and vendettas; both men used war to enrich their political cronies; both men demonstrated contempt for international law and the concerns of the world community; and both men believed they were/are on some holy crusade inspired by a “divine province” that placed them into power.

Of course some may argue that Hitler clearly was compelled by evil motives, while Bush was compelled by “benevolent” ones. But this ignores the reality that the primary difference between Bush and Hitler may simply be milieu, not mind-set. In fact, actor/activist Harry Belafonte once courageously asserted that the Bush administration is “possessed of evil.” These words should not be dismissed as hyperbole. Hitler, after all, did not begin his campaign for world domination until fascism was deeply entrenched in Germany. The Bush dictatorship is still manufacturing this entrenchment. Given the analogies above, one must wonder if history would have been so radically different if George W. Bush and his
war-crazed cronies were in power in 1938 Berlin instead of 2004 America”. (David R. Hoffman, 2004)

Tim you ask ” So again, how does Bush compare to Hitler? Please explain and use specific facts, figures, numbers, etc.”

Basically your arguemnet it that Bush hasn’t killed enough people yet. If he manages to kill more people then you would agree with me?

As for hating Bush I did not say that, So don’t put words in my mouth. I don’t even say that I hate Hitler, just what he did.

As for the German people I don’t believe they where any more “evil” than the People of the US who voted for Bush. They where as big of dupes as are the current crop of sheeple who are helping to lead our great nation into fascism and the death and destruction that comes with it.

You can keep your head in the sand or wake up to the facts it’s up to you. The Facts are that Bush is leading us ever closer to fascism and destruction (implossion). He is at least partially responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not a million plus people. So yes I see a correlation between Hitler and Bush, there are also many other parralles however, I simply don’t have the time to get into it. Do some research on your own, with actual open eyes. You just might realize the danger we are now in. I for one am much more afraid of the Bush administration and what it is doing to our country than the limited threat posed by a group of fanatical Islamic people who have very limited means even though we have given them a growing motivation.

Peace!

By: Tim R.

Tim R. — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:45:37 +0000

Brad, I appreciate your points but I don’t understand your hyperbole. You wrote
“I do believe that the people who voted for Bush the second time are at least the moral equivalent of the Germans who supported Hitler. ”

When people lash out against President Bush and vociferously disagree with his conduct and policies, I have no problem with that. It is perfectly legitmate. But to compare the President of the United States to Adolph Hitler? That is totally beyond the pale. It is an outrage and a calumny. I really would like someone who hates President Bush to logically explain to me how they are similar. Hitler deliberatly murdered 6,000,000 Jews. He also deliberaty murdered millions of others, including gays, Poles, the mentally retarded, the mentally ill, etc etc. He invaded France, Poland, Austria, Russia (over 10 MILLION Russians killed), Belgium, Holland, Denmark, etc. He killed anyone who disagreed with him. He signed a pact with a fascist in Italy and with imperial Japan who invaded China, the Philipines and other sovereign nations. Hitler is regarded as the most evil man of the 20th century(although it certainly is a close call when you think about Stalin and Mao) So again, how does Bush compare to Hitler? Please explain and use specific facts, figures, numbers, etc.

By: Kenneth

Kenneth — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 03:21:20 +0000

Home of the knave and land of the enslaved.

By: anti-neocon/anti-neolib

anti-neocon/anti-neolib — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:24:01 +0000

Thanks for this report, and for all the comments above, except for those from AIPAC “Tim”.

By: Brad Smith

Brad Smith — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:41:52 +0000

Should 59 millions who voted for Bush twice be prosecuted for the crimes of one million plus Iraqis? Apparently Yes! I do believe that the people who voted for Bush the second time are at least the moral equivalent of the Germans who supported Hitler. I don’t feel they should be prosecuted as I don’t feel simple ignorance is a crime. However, anyone who believes the persecution of German Soldiers was correct should also support the persecution of U.S. soldiers in Iraq. What exactly is the difference?

By: Phonk

Phonk — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:35:44 +0000

It seems the Green card is a more interesting topic than an innocent man given a life sentence for no crime he was aware of a the time.

By: Phonk

Phonk — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:32:19 +0000

New America new rules to hell with Geneva convention UN protocols, Vienna morality, International Court of Justice laws, and finally the Nuremberg basics.
Afghanistan is a stricken poor country if Hamdan wasn’t driving OBL he would’ve been cultivating poppies or begging on the street, if it wasn’t Hamdan it would’ve been someone else driving OBL, he considered himself at the time of 2001 lucky to have a job to feed himself and family. As far as any Afghani he was doing a decent job and hurting no one from close or afar.
How would he know he was doing something illegal according to new US laws,no one told him his job would be punishable in 2008.
Even though his 66 months punishment is futile because he will spend the rest of his life in prison for driving a car.
If Bush is found guilty of the mass murder of Afghanis and Iraqis would the air force one pilot be prosecuted would the driver of the US prez be prosecuted.
US Justice has long been a laughing stoke of the universe.
AN innocent man got 66 months plus life imprisonment for the most common job on the planet.
there are many mass criminal and most of them used cabby’s and never heard of one prosecuted because he drove a criminal to a town where the crime occurred.
Anything is possible under an idiot watch
Should 59 millions who voted for Bush twice be prosecuted for the crimes of one million plus Iraqis.

By: Sean

Sean — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:47:53 +0000

I am not sure what your point is. Does this mean that we ignore all injustices other than the one that we consider the worst? Do we ignore rape because it isn’t, perhaps, quite as bad as murder? Do we clear up all of the murder cases and once no more of those happen, move on to rape, and so on, until we get to shoplifting? Besides, the injustice begins when people are held against there will without having been justly committed of a crime, whether the alleged crime is murder or shoplifting.