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	<title>Comments on: Justin Raimondo on Russian TV</title>
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		<title>By: MoT</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/14/justin-raimondo-on-russian-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-159197</link>
		<dc:creator>MoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I hear about &quot;unity&quot; and &quot;working&quot; together from both Dems and Repubs the more  I realize they&#039;re really two factions of a one-party state.  Seriously.  When ever one or the other starts to make their &quot;opponent&quot;  cry you begin to hear the wailing and moaning with the predictable &quot;can&#039;t we just get along&quot; mantra over and over again.  In the mean time everything else is going to hell.  This has to be deliberate.  And I was always under the assumption that &quot;nazi&quot; i.e. National Socialism was exactly what it claimed to be and not socialism-heavy as opposed to socialism-lite.  Just taking a gander at present Amerika and its ultra nationalistic/patriotic brudern und schwestern, the idolatry with flag and military, and the deafening silence from the party organs (the media) with regards to fingering Big Brother, you&#039;d be mistaken not to assume fascism or nationalism... take your pick, was a alive and well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I hear about &#8220;unity&#8221; and &#8220;working&#8221; together from both Dems and Repubs the more  I realize they&#8217;re really two factions of a one-party state.  Seriously.  When ever one or the other starts to make their &#8220;opponent&#8221;  cry you begin to hear the wailing and moaning with the predictable &#8220;can&#8217;t we just get along&#8221; mantra over and over again.  In the mean time everything else is going to hell.  This has to be deliberate.  And I was always under the assumption that &#8220;nazi&#8221; i.e. National Socialism was exactly what it claimed to be and not socialism-heavy as opposed to socialism-lite.  Just taking a gander at present Amerika and its ultra nationalistic/patriotic brudern und schwestern, the idolatry with flag and military, and the deafening silence from the party organs (the media) with regards to fingering Big Brother, you&#8217;d be mistaken not to assume fascism or nationalism&#8230; take your pick, was a alive and well.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lowell</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/14/justin-raimondo-on-russian-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-159143</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, indeedy. 

Hitler&#039;s concept of the collective was that of the German Volk, or people, taken together with their culture and history. The state was envisioned as a organizing tool around which this organic concept of the Volk could be developed, not as the vehicle for the redistribution of wealth along class lines, the sole exception being the way in which it operated in the dispossession and redistribution of Jewish wealth and property after the enactment of the Nurenberg Laws in 1935. Hitler looked to the elimination of class perspectives in service of the common purpose. I can recall years ago seeing filmed speeches that Hitler gave prior to his ascendance to power in which he pointed to the confusion of national purpose attending the existence at the time of thirty-four political parties and for the need for national &quot;unity&quot; organized around one concept. None of this had a Marxian feel. To the contrary, the uprooting of the Marxian mindset was necessary to achieve it. Such is not socialism in any classical sense, it is fascism, purely and simply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, indeedy. </p>
<p>Hitler&#8217;s concept of the collective was that of the German Volk, or people, taken together with their culture and history. The state was envisioned as a organizing tool around which this organic concept of the Volk could be developed, not as the vehicle for the redistribution of wealth along class lines, the sole exception being the way in which it operated in the dispossession and redistribution of Jewish wealth and property after the enactment of the Nurenberg Laws in 1935. Hitler looked to the elimination of class perspectives in service of the common purpose. I can recall years ago seeing filmed speeches that Hitler gave prior to his ascendance to power in which he pointed to the confusion of national purpose attending the existence at the time of thirty-four political parties and for the need for national &#8220;unity&#8221; organized around one concept. None of this had a Marxian feel. To the contrary, the uprooting of the Marxian mindset was necessary to achieve it. Such is not socialism in any classical sense, it is fascism, purely and simply.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Rood</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/14/justin-raimondo-on-russian-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-159124</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Rood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socialism is the belief that the state should own (not just &quot;control&quot;) the &quot;means of production&quot;. Which industries did the Nazi German government own? Did German corporations pay dividends to the Nazi government or to their stockholders? Saying the Nazis were socialist is no more valid than saying Justin Raimondo is a fascist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socialism is the belief that the state should own (not just &#8220;control&#8221;) the &#8220;means of production&#8221;. Which industries did the Nazi German government own? Did German corporations pay dividends to the Nazi government or to their stockholders? Saying the Nazis were socialist is no more valid than saying Justin Raimondo is a fascist.</p>
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		<title>By: the legendary Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/14/justin-raimondo-on-russian-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-159121</link>
		<dc:creator>the legendary Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The National Socialists in Germany WERE Socialists..your displeasure doesn&#039;t change the reality...They believed in total govt control of industry, culture, religion..in short, everything...If that&#039;s not Socialism then what the hell is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The National Socialists in Germany WERE Socialists..your displeasure doesn&#8217;t change the reality&#8230;They believed in total govt control of industry, culture, religion..in short, everything&#8230;If that&#8217;s not Socialism then what the hell is?</p>
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		<title>By: John Lowell</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/14/justin-raimondo-on-russian-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-159115</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Bill,

You say:

&quot;Especially bearing in mind that fascism grew out of the Leftist socialist campâ€¦It was basically the gentile socialist reaction to Judeo-Bolshevism in Europe&quot;

I believe this statement to be a bit facile, actually. Certainly, Mussolini had a socialist identity during the early years of WWI but had concluded by its end that socialism was an utter failure. Early fascism was nationalistic, and egalitarian, opposing the notion of class war. Hitler was always a product of the forces of German nationalism. The choice of the name, National Socialist German Workers Party, was made to give his movement mass appeal, and even though there were those in his entourage that took the &quot;socialist&quot; claim seriously, Strasser notably, its expression always identified the common national reality, not narrow class interests. In any case, Stasser was suppressed as was Roehm and the SA where certain, more purely class related sentiments were more likely to be harbored.

You also make an unfortunate and highly dubious identification of Judaism and Bolshevism here as though the two were linked as a kind of unit. And later you speak of an &quot;anti-Christian talmudic Zionism&quot; as though such a phemomemon, if ever it existed, were a foredrawn conclusion. Again, a bit facile, I&#039;m afraid. While I understand that this blog is hardly the place for scholarly writing, I don&#039;t think it benefits from loose, undisciplined observations either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Bill,</p>
<p>You say:</p>
<p>&#8220;Especially bearing in mind that fascism grew out of the Leftist socialist campâ€¦It was basically the gentile socialist reaction to Judeo-Bolshevism in Europe&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe this statement to be a bit facile, actually. Certainly, Mussolini had a socialist identity during the early years of WWI but had concluded by its end that socialism was an utter failure. Early fascism was nationalistic, and egalitarian, opposing the notion of class war. Hitler was always a product of the forces of German nationalism. The choice of the name, National Socialist German Workers Party, was made to give his movement mass appeal, and even though there were those in his entourage that took the &#8220;socialist&#8221; claim seriously, Strasser notably, its expression always identified the common national reality, not narrow class interests. In any case, Stasser was suppressed as was Roehm and the SA where certain, more purely class related sentiments were more likely to be harbored.</p>
<p>You also make an unfortunate and highly dubious identification of Judaism and Bolshevism here as though the two were linked as a kind of unit. And later you speak of an &#8220;anti-Christian talmudic Zionism&#8221; as though such a phemomemon, if ever it existed, were a foredrawn conclusion. Again, a bit facile, I&#8217;m afraid. While I understand that this blog is hardly the place for scholarly writing, I don&#8217;t think it benefits from loose, undisciplined observations either.</p>
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		<title>By: the legendary Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/14/justin-raimondo-on-russian-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-159094</link>
		<dc:creator>the legendary Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, how could one easily show that Patrick J. Buchanan is a &quot;fascist&quot;? Especially bearing in mind that fascism grew out of the Leftist socialist camp...It was basically the gentile socialist reaction to Judeo-Bolshevism in Europe..In Germany it was particularly odious since it was based on the alleged superiority of the Germanic people..Actually, long term, this made it weaker than Soviet bolshevism since it alienated the other people ( Slavic and Latin ) that border Germany...In Italy it was based on culture and nostalgia for the ancient Empire so it wasn&#039;t as bad...In Spain? That can&#039;t be called fascism at all since it was linked to the Church and Gen Franco and the Royalists only wanted to save spain fm the communists and save the throne for Juan Carlos..Hitler always regretted lending his air power to Franco&#039;s cause..Why? Because, in his words, &quot; the Church would have been wiped out of Spain&quot; if he hadn&#039;t intervened and because Franco never allowed German troops to cross Spain and take the British base at Gibraltar which may have changed the war in N. Africa if they had..This was acknowledged by Churchill after the war...Of course given the way the war ended: 1. the Soviets holding onto 1/2 of Europe for 45 yrs..2. the Communists taking control of China and 3. the anti-Christian talmudic Zionists taking control of the Holy Land..One has to wonder..But I guess that makes me a &quot;fascist&quot; too..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, how could one easily show that Patrick J. Buchanan is a &#8220;fascist&#8221;? Especially bearing in mind that fascism grew out of the Leftist socialist camp&#8230;It was basically the gentile socialist reaction to Judeo-Bolshevism in Europe..In Germany it was particularly odious since it was based on the alleged superiority of the Germanic people..Actually, long term, this made it weaker than Soviet bolshevism since it alienated the other people ( Slavic and Latin ) that border Germany&#8230;In Italy it was based on culture and nostalgia for the ancient Empire so it wasn&#8217;t as bad&#8230;In Spain? That can&#8217;t be called fascism at all since it was linked to the Church and Gen Franco and the Royalists only wanted to save spain fm the communists and save the throne for Juan Carlos..Hitler always regretted lending his air power to Franco&#8217;s cause..Why? Because, in his words, &#8221; the Church would have been wiped out of Spain&#8221; if he hadn&#8217;t intervened and because Franco never allowed German troops to cross Spain and take the British base at Gibraltar which may have changed the war in N. Africa if they had..This was acknowledged by Churchill after the war&#8230;Of course given the way the war ended: 1. the Soviets holding onto 1/2 of Europe for 45 yrs..2. the Communists taking control of China and 3. the anti-Christian talmudic Zionists taking control of the Holy Land..One has to wonder..But I guess that makes me a &#8220;fascist&#8221; too..</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
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		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dn&#039;t agree with all of pat&#039;s ideas either but imagine the mainstream media without him.  there would be no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dn&#8217;t agree with all of pat&#8217;s ideas either but imagine the mainstream media without him.  there would be no one.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/14/justin-raimondo-on-russian-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-159056</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One could very easily show that Pat Buchanan is a &#039;fascist,&#039; though for practical reasons a tastefully subdued one. Personally, I wouldn&#039;t start a crusade against Buchanan just because of that, but I damn well will not accept that he should write out of one side of his face here, and out of the other side of his face at WorldNetDaily. Buchanan, I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One could very easily show that Pat Buchanan is a &#8216;fascist,&#8217; though for practical reasons a tastefully subdued one. Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t start a crusade against Buchanan just because of that, but I damn well will not accept that he should write out of one side of his face here, and out of the other side of his face at WorldNetDaily. Buchanan, I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even at 68 there was an appropriate recognition in her case. :-)

But what&#039;s wrong with the area just below Raimondo&#039;s left eye? Almost looks as though a bee stung him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even at 68 there was an appropriate recognition in her case. :-)</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s wrong with the area just below Raimondo&#8217;s left eye? Almost looks as though a bee stung him.</p>
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		<title>By: goldhorder</title>
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		<dc:creator>goldhorder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes...that Russian reporter was smoking hot. Call me babe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes&#8230;that Russian reporter was smoking hot. Call me babe!</p>
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