Comments on: Worst Taliban Attack or Worst NATO Blunder? http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:37:10 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Robby Daniel http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159417 Robby Daniel Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:30:02 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159417 Have you ever heard the quote that truth can-be stranger than fiction... I've been telling America these following facts since 2006 but no-one seems really interested because their so-called free media hasn't responded & given it their blessing or acknowledgement... Are you really right in being so-sure your media is still free America... Those magic bullets & mystical moon-landings damaged your third estate a whole lot more than most of you have ever realised... Anyway to find a way out of Afghanistan you must first honestly find out how you got there in the place... For the 100th time the I'm clearly telling you in simple plain English that the original Saudi-born genuine Afghany Muhahadeen who was rightly known as "OSAMA BIN-LADEN" at his birth (Peace be-upon his brave dead corpse) was quietly assassinated by your CIA on unnofficial Whitehouse orders in the mid-80's... You can close your eyes & stick your fingers in your ears & repeat the rosary or whatever it is you do to avoid having to honestly think about what I'm telling you but still it remains 100% true that he was then literally replaced with a fully compromised & controlled Australian-born swarthy lookalike born as "PETER WILLIAM VANSTONE" sometime around 1953... This was a simple partially illiterate man who had been literally blackmailed into his cooperation with CIA in this after the original had refused to cooperate in the operation to build a fully controlled Muslim Terror group by CIA... "VANSTONE" was then blackmailed through his initially unwilling participation in a pedophile snuff-movie racket that CIA has long been running down in Australia known as "THE FAMILY CULT" which succeeded in filming him copulating with a boy who was then killed on film not long after & "VANSTONE" was pretty well set-up filmed & photographed specifically to gain his cooperation... It was CIA that has been secretly running this in Australia & in many other countries under an extremely black operation that was totally created & controlled by them acting under orders of a specific & easily identifiable (****ists) group of 'WW2-FINANCIERS' who had gained control of CIA themselves using the same methods ever since the late 50's or very early-60's... Can you understand what I'm saying here or is there too much detail to confuse you...? (sic) The Saudi-man "BIN-LADEN" has been dead since the mid-80's & after "VANSTONE" was forced to fake his own death with an early morning heart attack then being buried in a closed coffin... Shortly after he-was given intense US Special Forces Aranic studies & some mild plastic surgery work to broaden his nose a little & then apart from carrying his mother's kidney in his stomach & having false teeth & being two inches taller than the deceased original he-was the perfect lookalike & CIA then used money skill & further blackmail & connections in Middle East businesses & media to create an entirely new circle of radical friends & business associates for him... None of his old Mujahadeen from the Afghanistan war would have anything to do with him... You know what that means don't you America... I-really do understand your fear & apprehension here... This means that CIA has been running "AL-QUEADA" all-along since day one & is a little like finding out your father has been sleeping with the milkman... It's just unheard of (You think) & apart from what went down in the "OSS" & was later surpressed such negligent criminality taking the systems of governance & using them for unelected people & agendas has never been heard of before... Again apart from what went down behind the scenes in the precursor "OSS" group that set the tone in the new CIA & gained the upper hand through similar techniques to what I've just detailed including snuff-movie videos involving sex with children who were then murdered on film & also plain Philby-style homosexuality too as-well... Do you have any of the revolutionary courage left America or is it all Hollywood hype... Has the battle for freedom & honesty & true public accountability been lost already because you need a testicle transplant...? This "FAMILY CULT" black-op your CIA operated down here in Australia raped a large amount of children & the number eventually killed on film to blackmail politicians into submission down here is well into the triple figures... I-wish I-was exagerating because some of them were mine... Please get your souls back before this "AL-QUEADA" hype treasonously run by CIA is used to create "WW3" & place a small group of satanically insane dinasours into power... Once again the blackmailed & controlled lookalike "VANSTONE" replaced "BIN-LADEN" in the mid-80's... Have a nice day... Have you ever heard the quote that truth can-be stranger than fiction… I’ve been telling America these following facts since 2006 but no-one seems really interested because their so-called free media hasn’t responded & given it their blessing or acknowledgement… Are you really right in being so-sure your media is still free America… Those magic bullets & mystical moon-landings damaged your third estate a whole lot more than most of you have ever realised… Anyway to find a way out of Afghanistan you must first honestly find out how you got there in the place… For the 100th time the I’m clearly telling you in simple plain English that the original Saudi-born genuine Afghany Muhahadeen who was rightly known as “OSAMA BIN-LADEN” at his birth (Peace be-upon his brave dead corpse) was quietly assassinated by your CIA on unnofficial Whitehouse orders in the mid-80’s… You can close your eyes & stick your fingers in your ears & repeat the rosary or whatever it is you do to avoid having to honestly think about what I’m telling you but still it remains 100% true that he was then literally replaced with a fully compromised & controlled Australian-born swarthy lookalike born as “PETER WILLIAM VANSTONE” sometime around 1953… This was a simple partially illiterate man who had been literally blackmailed into his cooperation with CIA in this after the original had refused to cooperate in the operation to build a fully controlled Muslim Terror group by CIA… “VANSTONE” was then blackmailed through his initially unwilling participation in a pedophile snuff-movie racket that CIA has long been running down in Australia known as “THE FAMILY CULT” which succeeded in filming him copulating with a boy who was then killed on film not long after & “VANSTONE” was pretty well set-up filmed & photographed specifically to gain his cooperation… It was CIA that has been secretly running this in Australia & in many other countries under an extremely black operation that was totally created & controlled by them acting under orders of a specific & easily identifiable (****ists) group of ‘WW2-FINANCIERS’ who had gained control of CIA themselves using the same methods ever since the late 50’s or very early-60’s… Can you understand what I’m saying here or is there too much detail to confuse you…? (sic) The Saudi-man “BIN-LADEN” has been dead since the mid-80’s & after “VANSTONE” was forced to fake his own death with an early morning heart attack then being buried in a closed coffin… Shortly after he-was given intense US Special Forces Aranic studies & some mild plastic surgery work to broaden his nose a little & then apart from carrying his mother’s kidney in his stomach & having false teeth & being two inches taller than the deceased original he-was the perfect lookalike & CIA then used money skill & further blackmail & connections in Middle East businesses & media to create an entirely new circle of radical friends & business associates for him… None of his old Mujahadeen from the Afghanistan war would have anything to do with him… You know what that means don’t you America… I-really do understand your fear & apprehension here… This means that CIA has been running “AL-QUEADA” all-along since day one & is a little like finding out your father has been sleeping with the milkman… It’s just unheard of (You think) & apart from what went down in the “OSS” & was later surpressed such negligent criminality taking the systems of governance & using them for unelected people & agendas has never been heard of before… Again apart from what went down behind the scenes in the precursor “OSS” group that set the tone in the new CIA & gained the upper hand through similar techniques to what I’ve just detailed including snuff-movie videos involving sex with children who were then murdered on film & also plain Philby-style homosexuality too as-well… Do you have any of the revolutionary courage left America or is it all Hollywood hype… Has the battle for freedom & honesty & true public accountability been lost already because you need a testicle transplant…? This “FAMILY CULT” black-op your CIA operated down here in Australia raped a large amount of children & the number eventually killed on film to blackmail politicians into submission down here is well into the triple figures… I-wish I-was exagerating because some of them were mine… Please get your souls back before this “AL-QUEADA” hype treasonously run by CIA is used to create “WW3″ & place a small group of satanically insane dinasours into power… Once again the blackmailed & controlled lookalike “VANSTONE” replaced “BIN-LADEN” in the mid-80’s… Have a nice day…

]]> By: Tom Mauel http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159388 Tom Mauel Sat, 23 Aug 2008 05:21:08 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159388 ps: I mean feet not feat. ps: I mean feet not feat.

]]> By: Tom Mauel http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159387 Tom Mauel Sat, 23 Aug 2008 05:15:17 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159387 To Jerry Sapezina, First I would like to compliment Eric Garis for a timely and effective post concerning the daily bombing of civilians in Afghanistan, (and also Pakistan). I would like to try and connect the killings in Pakistan and Afghanistan with the comments of Jerry Sapizena concerning Haiti and Cuba earlier this week on this blog site. I will attempt to do so by asking the following question. Do you(Mr. Sapienza) think the imperial destruction of both Haiti and Cuba by the United States for the last one hundred and fifty years is essentially any different than the current genocide we are practicing in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan? In addition to being racist some of your comments were outright falsehoods. Your comments were similar to the same language often used by Bush, Cheney, and the corporate media dogs when they attempt to justify our current actions in the Middle East. Before you spout off about subject you should at the very minimum know whether they are your elitist white male opinions or the truth. Unfortunately they are the same lies of Bush, Cheney, McCain, Obama, and Clinton. Who similar to you seem to believe that the impoverished people in many countries of the world should just bootstrap themselves back into the free market. But not until we have utterly destroyed them making such a feat impossible. Thomas Mauel, Menomonie, WI To Jerry Sapezina,

First I would like to compliment Eric Garis for a timely and effective post concerning the daily bombing of civilians in Afghanistan, (and also Pakistan).

I would like to try and connect the killings in Pakistan and Afghanistan with the comments of Jerry Sapizena concerning Haiti and Cuba earlier this week on this blog site.

I will attempt to do so by asking the following question. Do you(Mr. Sapienza) think the imperial destruction of both Haiti and Cuba by the United States for the last one hundred and fifty years is essentially any different than the current genocide we are practicing in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan?

In addition to being racist some of your comments were outright falsehoods. Your comments were similar to the same language often used by Bush, Cheney, and the corporate media dogs when they attempt to justify our current actions in the Middle East.

Before you spout off about subject you should at the very minimum know whether they are your elitist white male opinions or the truth. Unfortunately they are the same lies of Bush, Cheney, McCain, Obama, and Clinton. Who similar to you seem to believe that the impoverished people in many countries of the world should just bootstrap themselves back into the free market. But not until we have utterly destroyed them making such a feat impossible.

Thomas Mauel, Menomonie, WI

]]> By: andy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159381 andy Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:30:22 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159381 All wars make us less free because they increase the power of the federal government. All wars make us less free because they increase the power of the federal government.

]]> By: andy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159380 andy Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:27:32 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159380 They also sabotaged Ron Paul's campaign, leaving us with "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran" McCain. They also sabotaged Ron Paul’s campaign, leaving us with “bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran” McCain.

]]> By: Bill Rood http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159377 Bill Rood Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:14:53 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159377 I said long ago that Obama was an establishment candidate. He, Clinton and Edwards were annointed as the only "viable" candidates by the MSM, which did its best to sabotage all other candidates and convince people who agreed with Kucinich or Gravel on the issues that a vote for either would be wasted. If people want real change they have to reject the establishment candidates in the primaries. The vast majority of grass-roots Democrats agree with Kucinich and Gravel on the issues, but were convinced by the media that they weren't "viable." If people had simply voted their conscience rather than the "lesser of 3 evils", we'd have a real opportunity for change. I said long ago that Obama was an establishment candidate. He, Clinton and Edwards were annointed as the only “viable” candidates by the MSM, which did its best to sabotage all other candidates and convince people who agreed with Kucinich or Gravel on the issues that a vote for either would be wasted. If people want real change they have to reject the establishment candidates in the primaries. The vast majority of grass-roots Democrats agree with Kucinich and Gravel on the issues, but were convinced by the media that they weren’t “viable.” If people had simply voted their conscience rather than the “lesser of 3 evils”, we’d have a real opportunity for change.

]]> By: Lear k http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159373 Lear k Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:49:34 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159373 Interior Ministry: US Airstrikes Kill 76 Afghan Civilians "Just one day after US airstrikes in Laghman province were reported to have killed at least 20 civilians, a much larger incident has occurred on the opposite side of the country in Herat Province. As with yesterday’s story, the initial US report claimed that 30 militants were killed, including an al-Qaeda commander. Though the Afghan Defense Ministry reported several homes were destroyed and that civilians were among the dead, US officials denied that there were any civilians killed. Shortly later, Afghanistan’s Interior Ministry released a statement regarding the incident. In it they announced that 76 people, all civilians, had actually been killed in the strike. Among those killed were seven men, 19 women, and 50 children under the age of 15. The Ministry expressed “profound regret” for the killings, which they described as accidental, and promised to dispatch a delegation to conduct a full investigation." http://news.antiwar.com/2008/08/interior-ministry-us-airstrikes-kill-76-afghan-civilians/ Talk about compassion! Interior Ministry: US Airstrikes Kill 76 Afghan Civilians

“Just one day after US airstrikes in Laghman province were reported to have killed at least 20 civilians, a much larger incident has occurred on the opposite side of the country in Herat Province.

As with yesterday’s story, the initial US report claimed that 30 militants were killed, including an al-Qaeda commander. Though the Afghan Defense Ministry reported several homes were destroyed and that civilians were among the dead, US officials denied that there were any civilians killed.

Shortly later, Afghanistan’s Interior Ministry released a statement regarding the incident. In it they announced that 76 people, all civilians, had actually been killed in the strike. Among those killed were seven men, 19 women, and 50 children under the age of 15. The Ministry expressed “profound regret” for the killings, which they described as accidental, and promised to dispatch a delegation to conduct a full investigation.”

http://news.antiwar.com/2008/08/interior-ministry-us-airstrikes-kill-76-afghan-civilians/

Talk about compassion!

]]> By: Eugene Costa http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159363 Eugene Costa Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:42:17 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159363 The story at the link above has since been updated extensively. A fuller quotation from Lavrov is available in a story by the Thaindian Times: http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/russia-has-no-plans-to-slam-door-on-nato-lavrov_10087107.html Lavrov as quoted: ”Russia, no less than NATO, relies on this mutual cooperation...NATO is much more in need of Russia’s support of its military actions in Afghanistan, where NATO’s fate appears to be in the balance....We are not going to slam the door on NATO....Everything depends on NATO priorities: i[f] the priority is for unconditional support of (Georgian President Mikh[a]il Saakashvili), then we won’t be to blame for the bankrupting of the alliance’s relations with Russia." As chess games go, this is win-win for the Russian Federation The wry will recognize a sly undertone that "not slamming the door on NATO" supplying its forces in Afghanistan through Russian airspace may be quite as deleterious to NATO as cutting such flights off abruptly. The story at the link above has since been updated extensively. A fuller quotation from Lavrov is available in a story by the Thaindian Times:

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/russia-has-no-plans-to-slam-door-on-nato-lavrov_10087107.html

Lavrov as quoted: ”Russia, no less than NATO, relies on this mutual cooperation…NATO is much more in need of Russia’s support of its military actions in Afghanistan, where NATO’s fate appears to be in the balance….We are not going to slam the door on NATO….Everything depends on NATO priorities: i[f] the priority is for unconditional support of (Georgian President Mikh[a]il Saakashvili), then we won’t be to blame for the bankrupting of the alliance’s relations with Russia.”

As chess games go, this is win-win for the Russian Federation

The wry will recognize a sly undertone that “not slamming the door on NATO” supplying its forces in Afghanistan through Russian airspace may be quite as deleterious to NATO as cutting such flights off abruptly.

]]> By: MetaCynic http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159361 MetaCynic Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:05:21 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159361 The last time that a war was fought for our liberties was in 1776. The last time that a war was fought for our liberties was in 1776.

]]> By: MetaCynic http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159360 MetaCynic Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:00:20 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159360 It's not the money promised Poland that we need worry about. Should Poland tweak the Bear's nose and get clawed, the US and most of Europe will be suckered into fulfilling a promise to defend a fellow NATO member. The world will then, for the 3rd time in a century, get embroiled in a War To End All Wars. It’s not the money promised Poland that we need worry about. Should Poland tweak the Bear’s nose and get clawed, the US and most of Europe will be suckered into fulfilling a promise to defend a fellow NATO member. The world will then, for the 3rd time in a century, get embroiled in a War To End All Wars.

]]> By: Lear k http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159359 Lear k Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:29:43 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159359 Thank Charlie, They did not want to make a deal with the Taliban because of the followings: They did not have any evidence! They needed war to serve the military-industrial complex. The rites of passage for every American president is to have a war or two to prove himself ,call it self-esteem booster. American nationalistic ego. Thank Charlie,

They did not want to make a deal with the Taliban because of the followings:

They did not have any evidence!

They needed war to serve the military-industrial complex.

The rites of passage for every American president is to have a war or two to prove himself ,call it self-esteem booster.

American nationalistic ego.

]]> By: Eugene Costa http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/08/20/worst-taliban-attack-or-worst-nato-blunder/comment-page-1/#comment-159354 Eugene Costa Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:30:16 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4581#comment-159354 Up to now the Russian Federation has allowed NATO overflights of its territory in support of the forces in Afghanistan. Compare Lavrov's remarks in a Reuters story today: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL768040420080822?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews Up to now the Russian Federation has allowed NATO overflights of its territory in support of the forces in Afghanistan.

Compare Lavrov’s remarks in a Reuters story today:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL768040420080822?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

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