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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161985</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon: I missed--I meant to post that under your Washington Monument post below, richard vajs.</description>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161984</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Likewise, the financial institutions, if the bailout chance fades, will have to get the “rubes’” attention. All of a sudden, the ATM machines will spit out only a fraction of the funds requested, credit card limits will be lowered overnight. No more 300 point jumps higher in the Dow Indus; lots of downward movement, stirring visions of rapidly melting 401Ks - a future retirement spent handing out carts at Wal-Mart. A couple of weeks of that and the hoi polloi will be begging Congress to vote for the bailout....&lt;/i&gt;

Confirmation almost point by point of your Plan B prediction: &quot;The Washington Monument Gambit&quot;, richard vajs--here in the US News And World Report Version, under the heading &quot;Take II&quot;:

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Another try at a big bailout plan&lt;/b&gt;. A lot of those constituents who have been calling Congress to complain about rescuing fat cats are going to rethink their indignation as they watch the stock markets--and their own portfolios--sink. Lawmakers who voted against the bailout plan are going to have to explain why they&#039;re letting the markets collapse. The more uncomfortable voters get, the more likely Congress will be to pass some kind of sweeping relief plan. This is far from over.&lt;/i&gt;

[Richard Newman]

http://biz.yahoo.com/usnews/080929/29_bailout_take_ii_what_the_feds_do_next.html?.&amp;.pf=banking-budgeting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Likewise, the financial institutions, if the bailout chance fades, will have to get the “rubes’” attention. All of a sudden, the ATM machines will spit out only a fraction of the funds requested, credit card limits will be lowered overnight. No more 300 point jumps higher in the Dow Indus; lots of downward movement, stirring visions of rapidly melting 401Ks &#8211; a future retirement spent handing out carts at Wal-Mart. A couple of weeks of that and the hoi polloi will be begging Congress to vote for the bailout&#8230;.</i></p>
<p>Confirmation almost point by point of your Plan B prediction: &#8220;The Washington Monument Gambit&#8221;, richard vajs&#8211;here in the US News And World Report Version, under the heading &#8220;Take II&#8221;:</p>
<p><i><b>Another try at a big bailout plan</b>. A lot of those constituents who have been calling Congress to complain about rescuing fat cats are going to rethink their indignation as they watch the stock markets&#8211;and their own portfolios&#8211;sink. Lawmakers who voted against the bailout plan are going to have to explain why they&#8217;re letting the markets collapse. The more uncomfortable voters get, the more likely Congress will be to pass some kind of sweeping relief plan. This is far from over.</i></p>
<p>[Richard Newman]</p>
<p><a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/usnews/080929/29_bailout_take_ii_what_the_feds_do_next.html?.&amp;.pf=banking-budgeting" rel="nofollow">http://biz.yahoo.com/usnews/080929/29_bailout_take_ii_what_the_feds_do_next.html?.&amp;.pf=banking-budgeting</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161981</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MetaCynic, you seem to be learning the ropes of &quot;structural voting&quot;.

That is the gist of Paul Craig Roberts&#039; position, as I follow it.

I claim nothing but understanding it perhaps and giving it a name.

Since the overwhelming majority of American politicos are liars, frauds, and thieves--with a few naifs and terminally stupid idealists thrown in for good measure--voting for any positive program is vain, and the main value of any vote is negative and impersonal, to wit: ousting an incumbent or holding a party or a group accountable.

If that is not what Roberts is getting at, I will gladly stand corrected.

I do consider Kucinich somewhat of an exception, mainly for his position on impeachment, and his economic and financial understanding.

It may not be intuitive in the Protestant subculture of a Doctor Slop like Congressman Paul, but of the three possibilities (1) no government support for higher education; (2) privately financed student loans guaranteed by government; and (3) free government subsidized  higher education, (2) is of the three the most economically counterproductive.

Kucinich seemingly understands this.

But even with Kucinich, I get a bit queasy when he has a good word for the Fascist Delano Roosevelt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MetaCynic, you seem to be learning the ropes of &#8220;structural voting&#8221;.</p>
<p>That is the gist of Paul Craig Roberts&#8217; position, as I follow it.</p>
<p>I claim nothing but understanding it perhaps and giving it a name.</p>
<p>Since the overwhelming majority of American politicos are liars, frauds, and thieves&#8211;with a few naifs and terminally stupid idealists thrown in for good measure&#8211;voting for any positive program is vain, and the main value of any vote is negative and impersonal, to wit: ousting an incumbent or holding a party or a group accountable.</p>
<p>If that is not what Roberts is getting at, I will gladly stand corrected.</p>
<p>I do consider Kucinich somewhat of an exception, mainly for his position on impeachment, and his economic and financial understanding.</p>
<p>It may not be intuitive in the Protestant subculture of a Doctor Slop like Congressman Paul, but of the three possibilities (1) no government support for higher education; (2) privately financed student loans guaranteed by government; and (3) free government subsidized  higher education, (2) is of the three the most economically counterproductive.</p>
<p>Kucinich seemingly understands this.</p>
<p>But even with Kucinich, I get a bit queasy when he has a good word for the Fascist Delano Roosevelt.</p>
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		<title>By: MetaCynic</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161980</link>
		<dc:creator>MetaCynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am unhappy that my Congresswoman, Jan Schakowsy, has compelled me to vote in November.  Her web site has posted a message stating her opposition to the Billionaires&#039; Bailout.  She also pointed out that her constituents&#039; are overwhelmingly opposed to the Bailout.  Good I thought.  Despite her opposition to the bill, I decided to pile on anyway and let her know that I would vote against her if she changed her mind.  Well guess what?  She voted in favor of the bill and now I am obliged to go to all the trouble of voting against her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am unhappy that my Congresswoman, Jan Schakowsy, has compelled me to vote in November.  Her web site has posted a message stating her opposition to the Billionaires&#8217; Bailout.  She also pointed out that her constituents&#8217; are overwhelmingly opposed to the Bailout.  Good I thought.  Despite her opposition to the bill, I decided to pile on anyway and let her know that I would vote against her if she changed her mind.  Well guess what?  She voted in favor of the bill and now I am obliged to go to all the trouble of voting against her.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161979</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Treasury would have been permitted to spend $250 billion to buy banks&#039; risky assets, giving them a much-needed cash infusion. There also would be another $100 billion for use at the president&#039;s discretion and a final $350 billion if Congress signs off....&lt;/i&gt;

AP September 29, 2008

Is this a bit of reality setting in after all?

It is to be noted that thief Paulson was yesterday pegged at a personal fortune of $700 million.

I wonder what it is today.

Or did he and some of his pals go short?

In any instance, Kucinich&#039;s rough sketch of a bailout, including the establishment of a US citizen Mutual Fund, obtaining equity, and refusing to pay anything but fire sale prices, may have gained a bit of traction.

Like most of Kucinich&#039;s proposals, it might actually make money for the taxpayer for a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Treasury would have been permitted to spend $250 billion to buy banks&#8217; risky assets, giving them a much-needed cash infusion. There also would be another $100 billion for use at the president&#8217;s discretion and a final $350 billion if Congress signs off&#8230;.</i></p>
<p>AP September 29, 2008</p>
<p>Is this a bit of reality setting in after all?</p>
<p>It is to be noted that thief Paulson was yesterday pegged at a personal fortune of $700 million.</p>
<p>I wonder what it is today.</p>
<p>Or did he and some of his pals go short?</p>
<p>In any instance, Kucinich&#8217;s rough sketch of a bailout, including the establishment of a US citizen Mutual Fund, obtaining equity, and refusing to pay anything but fire sale prices, may have gained a bit of traction.</p>
<p>Like most of Kucinich&#8217;s proposals, it might actually make money for the taxpayer for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161961</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders whether antiwar would be interested in a weekly &quot;Get To Know Your Thief&quot; feature:

&lt;i&gt;Born in Palm Beach, Florida, to Marianna Gallaeur and Henry Merritt Paulson, a wholesale jeweler, he was raised in Barrington Hills, Illinois. He was raised as a Christian Scientist. Paulson attained the rank of Eagle Scout in the Boy Scouts of America.[3][4]

A star athlete at Barrington High School, Paulson was a champion wrestler and stand out football player, graduating in 1964. Paulson received his Bachelor of Arts in English from Dartmouth College in 1968; at Dartmouth he was a member of Phi Beta Kappa and was an All Ivy, All East, and honorable mention All American as an offensive lineman.

He met his wife Wendy during his senior year. The couple has two adult children, Henry Merritt III and Amanda Clark, and became grandparents in June 2007. They maintain homes in Washington, DC and Barrington Hills, Illinois.

In 1970 Paulson received a Master of Business Administration degree from Harvard Business School...&quot;?&lt;/i&gt;

[wikipedia]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders whether antiwar would be interested in a weekly &#8220;Get To Know Your Thief&#8221; feature:</p>
<p><i>Born in Palm Beach, Florida, to Marianna Gallaeur and Henry Merritt Paulson, a wholesale jeweler, he was raised in Barrington Hills, Illinois. He was raised as a Christian Scientist. Paulson attained the rank of Eagle Scout in the Boy Scouts of America.[3][4]</p>
<p>A star athlete at Barrington High School, Paulson was a champion wrestler and stand out football player, graduating in 1964. Paulson received his Bachelor of Arts in English from Dartmouth College in 1968; at Dartmouth he was a member of Phi Beta Kappa and was an All Ivy, All East, and honorable mention All American as an offensive lineman.</p>
<p>He met his wife Wendy during his senior year. The couple has two adult children, Henry Merritt III and Amanda Clark, and became grandparents in June 2007. They maintain homes in Washington, DC and Barrington Hills, Illinois.</p>
<p>In 1970 Paulson received a Master of Business Administration degree from Harvard Business School&#8230;&#8221;?</i></p>
<p>[wikipedia]</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161908</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot; Now Brussels has found a new explanation as to why Ireland voted down the European Union treaty in June - a CIA and Pentagon-backed plot, devised by American neoconservatives to weaken the EU.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Sunday Times (article on antiwar front page)

Some time ago in a blurb on the antiwar blog, I suggested that, given the collapse of USD in relation to oil and the Euro, one of the obvious courses as a response might be an attempt by the US to attack and depreciate the Euro. 

Whatever the truth of the above story, it seems to fall under the heading of what such an attack might look like.

The article, read closely, also suggests that the motive force is the Neo-Cons.

Someone like Giraldi surely can do a much better job than myself of delineating the changes in the Central Intelligence Agency since the advent of Bush and Cheney to the US executive branch, and whether Neo-Con and CIA are now coterminous terms.

Obviously part of the context of the above might also be trying to set the EU and NATO at odds as two distinct and conflicting versions of &quot;Europe&quot; in the 21st Century.

The main problem here, one suspects, is that the US policy seemingly pursued in Georgia, like most of the hare-brained schemes thought up by the Neo-Cons, will almost certainly produce exactly the opposite of the effect intended as far as US interests are concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8221; Now Brussels has found a new explanation as to why Ireland voted down the European Union treaty in June &#8211; a CIA and Pentagon-backed plot, devised by American neoconservatives to weaken the EU.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Sunday Times (article on antiwar front page)</p>
<p>Some time ago in a blurb on the antiwar blog, I suggested that, given the collapse of USD in relation to oil and the Euro, one of the obvious courses as a response might be an attempt by the US to attack and depreciate the Euro. </p>
<p>Whatever the truth of the above story, it seems to fall under the heading of what such an attack might look like.</p>
<p>The article, read closely, also suggests that the motive force is the Neo-Cons.</p>
<p>Someone like Giraldi surely can do a much better job than myself of delineating the changes in the Central Intelligence Agency since the advent of Bush and Cheney to the US executive branch, and whether Neo-Con and CIA are now coterminous terms.</p>
<p>Obviously part of the context of the above might also be trying to set the EU and NATO at odds as two distinct and conflicting versions of &#8220;Europe&#8221; in the 21st Century.</p>
<p>The main problem here, one suspects, is that the US policy seemingly pursued in Georgia, like most of the hare-brained schemes thought up by the Neo-Cons, will almost certainly produce exactly the opposite of the effect intended as far as US interests are concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161905</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Benefitting the most&quot; is open to many interpretations.

And even if you interpret it mainly as a matter of, say, money, that involves specifying a  point in time.

For example, the day after the &quot;money&quot; is appropriated, it may be X and Y that are the only beneficiaries monetarily.

Ten years down the line, however, and according to trickle down theory, it may well be the  manufacturers of assemble-it-yourself mail order guillotines kits.

What I call the &quot;One Bastiat In Every Socialist Cell&quot; School is one of the schools that acknowledge such trickle down theory.

According the &quot;Firing Squad School&quot;, on the other hand, which deals with longer term &quot;analysis spans&quot;--if I may coin a useful term--the main beneficiaries in, say, thirty years, may well be the first generation serfs and wage-slaves produced by the bailout in the first place.

This is another hidden recursion not generally known to American or western economists.

An even more sophisticated analysis allows the possibility that no one benefits or that everyone is harmed, which are not the same logically, depending on whether one sees economics and finance, again just for example, as a zero-sum game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Benefitting the most&#8221; is open to many interpretations.</p>
<p>And even if you interpret it mainly as a matter of, say, money, that involves specifying a  point in time.</p>
<p>For example, the day after the &#8220;money&#8221; is appropriated, it may be X and Y that are the only beneficiaries monetarily.</p>
<p>Ten years down the line, however, and according to trickle down theory, it may well be the  manufacturers of assemble-it-yourself mail order guillotines kits.</p>
<p>What I call the &#8220;One Bastiat In Every Socialist Cell&#8221; School is one of the schools that acknowledge such trickle down theory.</p>
<p>According the &#8220;Firing Squad School&#8221;, on the other hand, which deals with longer term &#8220;analysis spans&#8221;&#8211;if I may coin a useful term&#8211;the main beneficiaries in, say, thirty years, may well be the first generation serfs and wage-slaves produced by the bailout in the first place.</p>
<p>This is another hidden recursion not generally known to American or western economists.</p>
<p>An even more sophisticated analysis allows the possibility that no one benefits or that everyone is harmed, which are not the same logically, depending on whether one sees economics and finance, again just for example, as a zero-sum game.</p>
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		<title>By: liberranter</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161896</link>
		<dc:creator>liberranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that even an election year will have no effect whatsoever on their decision to proceed with the bailout proves, like nothing else will, that voting is complete waste of time and serves only to legitimize these criminal rogues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that even an election year will have no effect whatsoever on their decision to proceed with the bailout proves, like nothing else will, that voting is complete waste of time and serves only to legitimize these criminal rogues.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161866</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt; The Steer&lt;/b&gt;

In the sand of an afternoon twixt dilemma&#039;s long horns

wisp-waisted maid somersaults the bum&#039;s rush.

Manolete
dividending
all gall.

Marvellous to watch.

[copyright EAC]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> The Steer</b></p>
<p>In the sand of an afternoon twixt dilemma&#8217;s long horns</p>
<p>wisp-waisted maid somersaults the bum&#8217;s rush.</p>
<p>Manolete<br />
dividending<br />
all gall.</p>
<p>Marvellous to watch.</p>
<p>[copyright EAC]</p>
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		<title>By: Ira Epstein</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161834</link>
		<dc:creator>Ira Epstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am familiar with the writings of Ludwig Von Mises, and have nothing against wealthy individuals so long as thier wealth is honestly aquired.


END THE FED! END THE FED! END THE FED! END THE FED!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am familiar with the writings of Ludwig Von Mises, and have nothing against wealthy individuals so long as thier wealth is honestly aquired.</p>
<p>END THE FED! END THE FED! END THE FED! END THE FED!</p>
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		<title>By: Ira Epstein</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/24/the-highway-robber-state/comment-page-1/#comment-161833</link>
		<dc:creator>Ira Epstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just E-Mailed my Congressman today to express my displeasure with the bailout of the billionare banksters.  I got the reply when I returned home from work and, of course, he is going to vote for the bailout.  I do not know why I was so stupid as to take the suggestion that my Congressman (His name is Jim Cooper to reveal the guilty) would really care what I think.  These people will do anything they want, and they do not give a damn about you or me or what we think.  Voting or writing to your congressman is strictly for suckers and I will never do either again.   The United States government is the greatest democracy in the world.  Yeah, I believe that!  And I also believe my own @%*# does not stink!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just E-Mailed my Congressman today to express my displeasure with the bailout of the billionare banksters.  I got the reply when I returned home from work and, of course, he is going to vote for the bailout.  I do not know why I was so stupid as to take the suggestion that my Congressman (His name is Jim Cooper to reveal the guilty) would really care what I think.  These people will do anything they want, and they do not give a damn about you or me or what we think.  Voting or writing to your congressman is strictly for suckers and I will never do either again.   The United States government is the greatest democracy in the world.  Yeah, I believe that!  And I also believe my own @%*# does not stink!</p>
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