Comments on: I Overestimated Palin http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:28:29 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Brad Smith http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-162003 Brad Smith Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:28:25 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-162003 Darren, you haven't offended me. In fact I think your points are valid. I was just pointing out that it's not so much lack of intelligence as a broken and corrupt system, that has led to the problems we have. My talking points were not meant for you entirely but also for the others on this site who point out the anti-intellectual bent without ever refering to the bias that is held against the uneducated. I have met enough educated idiots and intelligent illiterates to know that true wisdom comes in many forms and from all classes and ethnic groups. Peace! Darren, you haven’t offended me. In fact I think your points are valid. I was just pointing out that it’s not so much lack of intelligence as a broken and corrupt system, that has led to the problems we have. My talking points were not meant for you entirely but also for the others on this site who point out the anti-intellectual bent without ever refering to the bias that is held against the uneducated. I have met enough educated idiots and intelligent illiterates to know that true wisdom comes in many forms and from all classes and ethnic groups.

Peace!

]]> By: Darren http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-161998 Darren Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:57:52 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-161998 Its been over 200 years since the United States broke away from the corrupt over taxing British. But the United States still holds onto the same style of system they once fought against. You still have the British class system as we have in Australia and the UK.You still measure things in inches,feet and yards. Thats very British Our countries run a two party system and a rich and poor class system. We look at America from our part of the world and wonder how on earth you guys run things by having the crazy gun laws and high crime rates. Having a complete moron as your leader never speaks well for the US population. Having stated though i do not regard a lot of Australians as intelligent so if i've offended you i apologise. We had a leader in Australia called John Howard and he idolised Ol dubya. He used fear tactics on things like national security and the race issue to hoodwinked our redneck conservative hill billy population into re-voting them. Sound familiar (i.e Republicans) Our neocons in Australia call themselves the "Liberal party" enough said. Its been over 200 years since the United States broke away from the corrupt over taxing British.
But the United States still holds onto the same style of system they once fought against. You still have the British class system as we have in Australia and the UK.You still measure things in inches,feet and yards. Thats very British
Our countries run a two party system and a rich and poor class system. We look at America from our part of the world and wonder how on earth you guys run things by having the crazy gun laws and high crime rates. Having a complete moron as your leader never speaks well for the US population. Having stated though i do not regard a lot of Australians as intelligent so if i’ve offended you i apologise. We had a leader in Australia called John Howard and he idolised Ol dubya. He used fear tactics on things like national security and the race issue to hoodwinked our redneck conservative hill billy population into re-voting them. Sound familiar (i.e Republicans)
Our neocons in Australia call themselves the “Liberal party” enough said.

]]> By: Brad Smith http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-161997 Brad Smith Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:28:32 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-161997 "Americans lack the intelligence to vote for a reasonable sane option". I don't think it's so much the lack of intelligence as the lack of awareness. The American people need to wake up to the reality that our two party system is a farse. It's a one party system and it's not a party of the people but a party of the rich people. The propoganda machine in this country works equally as well on the educated as on the uneducated. Many itelligent people in the country simply refuse to vote at all. It's always said that they are apathetic, no one ever seems to say that they are simply fed up with not having a choice. Just think about the great "choice" we had in the Kerry/Bush election. Two frat brothers from Yale running against each other is not a choice. I don't know what the education system is like in Australia but I can tell you how it works in the US. You sit in class spending tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands only to recieve the same degree as the clueless person who sits next to you. They hand out degrees to anyone who has the money and time to buy one. Case in point George Bush. All it takes is the ability to stroke the ego of your Professor and pay big bucks with your government subsidized student loans and you too can become the next graduate. Heaven forbid but if you can stomach it for long enough you can become a politicain or even a Professor. The media loves to portray the average uneducated US citizen as some hillbilly with a dip in his cheek and his nocked up cousin cooking in the kitchen. Movies abound where some poor helpless city folk venture out into the backwoods only to be attacked by some redneck. That is not how it is in reality. Are there idiots living in the country yes. Are there idiots living in the cities, yes. Are there idiots teaching in our Universities, yes. Serving in our armed forces, government, local counsels, YES. However,the majority of US citizens are intelligent, hardworking good people. The divide between Rich and Poor, educated and noneducated, city and country, is simply class warfare meant to keep us from coming together as a whole. It's a Brave New World and I'm so glad to be a Beta. "Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly color. I'm so glad I'm a Beta." Peace! “Americans lack the intelligence to vote for a reasonable sane option”. I don’t think it’s so much the lack of intelligence as the lack of awareness. The American people need to wake up to the reality that our two party system is a farse. It’s a one party system and it’s not a party of the people but a party of the rich people. The propoganda machine in this country works equally as well on the educated as on the uneducated. Many itelligent people in the country simply refuse to vote at all. It’s always said that they are apathetic, no one ever seems to say that they are simply fed up with not having a choice.
Just think about the great “choice” we had in the Kerry/Bush election. Two frat brothers from Yale running against each other is not a choice.

I don’t know what the education system is like in Australia but I can tell you how it works in the US. You sit in class spending tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands only to recieve the same degree as the clueless person who sits next to you. They hand out degrees to anyone who has the money and time to buy one. Case in point George Bush. All it takes is the ability to stroke the ego of your Professor and pay big bucks with your government subsidized student loans and you too can become the next graduate. Heaven forbid but if you can stomach it for long enough you can become a politicain or even a Professor.

The media loves to portray the average uneducated US citizen as some hillbilly with a dip in his cheek and his nocked up cousin cooking in the kitchen. Movies abound where some poor helpless city folk venture out into the backwoods only to be attacked by some redneck. That is not how it is in reality. Are there idiots living in the country yes. Are there idiots living in the cities, yes. Are there idiots teaching in our Universities, yes. Serving in our armed forces, government, local counsels, YES. However,the majority of US citizens are intelligent, hardworking good people. The divide between Rich and Poor, educated and noneducated, city and country, is simply class warfare meant to keep us from coming together as a whole. It’s a Brave New World and I’m so glad to be a Beta.

“Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they’re so frightfully clever. I’m awfully glad I’m a Beta, because I don’t work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don’t want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They’re too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly color. I’m so glad I’m a Beta.”

Peace!

]]> By: Darren http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-161988 Darren Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:50:56 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-161988 Americans lack the intelligence to vote for a reasonable sane option. Sarah Palin will be Vice President as most Americans lack the intelligence to see through her ways.Working and middle class Americans can relate to this woman better than any other candidate because of her grassroots apperance.This is why a moron like George W Bush has been president of US for 8 years. I'm ashamed as an Australian that our government in Australia follows Washington D.C on nearly everything it does.America is falling apart like the old roman empire and its satellite states like Australia are doomed to follow. Americans lack the intelligence to vote for a reasonable sane option.
Sarah Palin will be Vice President as most Americans lack the intelligence to see through her ways.Working and middle class Americans can relate to this woman better than any other candidate because of her grassroots apperance.This is why a moron like George W Bush has been president of US for 8 years. I’m ashamed as an Australian that our government in Australia follows Washington D.C on nearly everything it does.America is falling apart like the old roman empire and its satellite states like Australia are doomed to follow.

]]> By: Eugene Costa http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-161956 Eugene Costa Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:59:37 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-161956 Bullseye. Bullseye.

]]> By: MetaCynic http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-161947 MetaCynic Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:35:03 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-161947 Q: What's splashier than lipstick on a pitbull? A: Lipstick on a SEAL Q: What’s splashier than lipstick on a pitbull?
A: Lipstick on a SEAL

]]> By: Eugene Costa http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-161941 Eugene Costa Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:42:00 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-161941 corr: "one size fits all". corr: “one size fits all”.

]]> By: Eugene Costa http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-161939 Eugene Costa Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:35:19 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-161939 At Athens most magistrates and assemblies were chosen by lot (from a preselected pool). Two major offices were elected--general and architect. This at least partly, as most Americans are now constitutionally unable to grasp, because election by majority vote was considered "undemocratic." The "power" of the American presidency as a military command is more closely modeled on the Roman concept of imperium, though the judicial and military power were split. With the veto power, the presidency also has an element of what the Romans called potestas. The American political system, on the other hand, is very short of auctoritas, another sort of "power" in the Roman res publica. Not that any of this is of any interest whatever to Joe Six-Pack, is it? The English-speaking world is, therefore, at least partly as a matter of language, as deprived and unsophisticated in the matter of "power" as it is in the matter of "love", which is also size fits all in gist. "Love"? Philia, eros, or agape? At Athens most magistrates and assemblies were chosen by lot (from a preselected pool). Two major offices were elected–general and architect. This at least partly, as most Americans are now constitutionally unable to grasp, because election by majority vote was considered “undemocratic.”

The “power” of the American presidency as a military command is more closely modeled on the Roman concept of imperium, though the judicial and military power were split.

With the veto power, the presidency also has an element of what the Romans called potestas.

The American political system, on the other hand, is very short of auctoritas, another sort of “power” in the Roman res publica.

Not that any of this is of any interest whatever to Joe Six-Pack, is it?

The English-speaking world is, therefore, at least partly as a matter of language, as deprived and unsophisticated in the matter of “power” as it is in the matter of “love”, which is also size fits all in gist.

“Love”? Philia, eros, or agape?

]]> By: kacenka http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-161936 kacenka Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:12:03 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-161936 Well all of the above may be true when it comes to domestic politics, economy and even international politics. BUT! There is one thing that the U.S. president does uniquely in comparison to the rest of the world. He (she) is a true commander in chief. Though that title is true about other heads of states neither of them has the true power of US president when it comes to a conflict. A though of this woman with her finger on a nuclear button makes me sweat. Well all of the above may be true when it comes to domestic politics, economy and even international politics. BUT! There is one thing that the U.S. president does uniquely in comparison to the rest of the world. He (she) is a true commander in chief. Though that title is true about other heads of states neither of them has the true power of US president when it comes to a conflict. A though of this woman with her finger on a nuclear button makes me sweat.

]]> By: kacenka http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-161935 kacenka Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:06:40 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-161935 She may have spoken well at the convention but do not forget that was a speech. I could have read that and do a great job! Very few, if any, politicians write their own speeches. Some chip in more, some none at all. An interview or a debate tells much more about the true ability of a candidate. She may have spoken well at the convention but do not forget that was a speech. I could have read that and do a great job! Very few, if any, politicians write their own speeches. Some chip in more, some none at all. An interview or a debate tells much more about the true ability of a candidate.

]]> By: Vassili http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-161899 Vassili Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:51:31 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-161899 Don't mix up Abramovich and Khodarkovskij. Don’t mix up Abramovich and Khodarkovskij.

]]> By: Baron of Grey Matter http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/09/26/i-overestimated-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-161892 Baron of Grey Matter Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:28:33 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4703#comment-161892 I really resent you saying that JDonald about us Americans. I totally agree with you but I really resent you saying it. I really resent you saying that JDonald about us Americans. I totally agree with you but I really resent you saying it.

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