Comments on: @Bin Laden sez OMG! Jihad! http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/26/bin-laden-sez-omg-jihad/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:41:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lear K http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/26/bin-laden-sez-omg-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-163018 Lear K Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:51:27 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4829#comment-163018 Tim R, "Why must you interrupt a polite and intelligent conversation with your silly accusations and hatred?" Would care to explain?! Tim R,

“Why must you interrupt a polite and intelligent conversation with your silly accusations and hatred?”

Would care to explain?!

]]> By: Strider http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/26/bin-laden-sez-omg-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-162980 Strider Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:10:13 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4829#comment-162980 The "must find a mission" mentality is certainly a part of the problem, but IMO the main culprit is the entire military-industrial-govt. complex. It was Congress that ordered the military to get involved in the War on (Some) Drugs -- in clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, BTW. (And IIRC that started before the Berlin Wall fell.) Why wasn't NATO dissolved when the USSR & Warsaw Pact folded? Because 1) thousands of colonels & generals would have been forced into retirement, and 2) Europe would have been forced to defend itself instead of relying on Uncle Sucker. So having a draft wouldn't have really changed anything. Besides, we already have a "back-door draft", a.k.a stop-loss. As we speak, thousands of soldiers who want to "get out of uniform" are forced to keep wearing them. The “must find a mission” mentality is certainly a part of the problem, but IMO the main culprit is the entire military-industrial-govt. complex. It was Congress that ordered the military to get involved in the War on (Some) Drugs — in clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, BTW. (And IIRC that started before the Berlin Wall fell.) Why wasn’t NATO dissolved when the USSR & Warsaw Pact folded? Because 1) thousands of colonels & generals would have been forced into retirement, and 2) Europe would have been forced to defend itself instead of relying on Uncle Sucker. So having a draft wouldn’t have really changed anything.

Besides, we already have a “back-door draft”, a.k.a stop-loss. As we speak, thousands of soldiers who want to “get out of uniform” are forced to keep wearing them.

]]> By: Lear K http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/26/bin-laden-sez-omg-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-162946 Lear K Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:30:35 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4829#comment-162946 "they hate us because of our value systems"?!This could be throwen back at you.For a long time "you" have been attemting to change the value system of others,specifically Muslim countries because "you" happen not to like their values.By teh same token ,others have the rights to change your value system."you" told to use democracy and election process to change things but when the results were not to "your" likinings "you" made sure that the results be derailed ,and not take hold.,as the case with Iran,Alegria, Lebnanon,Palestine,etc. “they hate us because of our value systems”?!This could be throwen back at you.For a long time “you” have been attemting to change the value system of others,specifically Muslim countries because “you” happen not to like their values.By teh same token ,others have the rights to change your value system.”you” told to use democracy and election process to change things but when the results were not to “your” likinings “you” made sure that the results be derailed ,and not take hold.,as the case with Iran,Alegria, Lebnanon,Palestine,etc.

]]> By: Lester Ness http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/26/bin-laden-sez-omg-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-162943 Lester Ness Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:20:13 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4829#comment-162943 Let me put it this way: I have 5-6 Muslim students in each of my classes. Muslims sell me shish-ke-bob or Lanzhou noodles. None of them do anything more terroristic than take me out to lunch. Bin Ladin and pals are dangerous, but about as dangerous as Sitting Bull or Geronimo were: trouble to some people but not endangering the existence of the US Let me put it this way: I have 5-6 Muslim students in each of my classes. Muslims sell me shish-ke-bob or Lanzhou noodles. None of them do anything more terroristic than take me out to lunch.

Bin Ladin and pals are dangerous, but about as dangerous as Sitting Bull or Geronimo were: trouble to some people but not endangering the existence of the US

]]> By: Lester Ness http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/26/bin-laden-sez-omg-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-162942 Lester Ness Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:13:38 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4829#comment-162942 If Asia Times Online is correct, Bin Laden et al. rely on couriers (women in Western dress) carrying oral messages. Lester Ness Kunming China If Asia Times Online is correct, Bin Laden et al. rely on couriers (women in Western dress) carrying oral messages.

Lester Ness
Kunming
China

]]> By: Lear K http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/26/bin-laden-sez-omg-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-162929 Lear K Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:49:20 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4829#comment-162929 Sadam had no control on "UN oil for food program" money waht so ever.The US and the UK held veto power on how,when ,and where the money spent.High rankings UN officials resigned in protest because of the clear intent of the sanctions was to destroy the Iraqi people.The US clearly knew of what it was doing from day one. Sadam had no control on “UN oil for food program” money waht so ever.The US and the UK held veto power on how,when ,and where the money spent.High rankings UN officials resigned in protest because of the clear intent of the sanctions was to destroy the Iraqi people.The US clearly knew of what it was doing from day one.

]]> By: Lear K http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/26/bin-laden-sez-omg-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-162927 Lear K Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:41:07 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4829#comment-162927 Your reaons and justifications are beyond beliefe! Your reaons and justifications are beyond beliefe!

]]> By: richard vajs http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/26/bin-laden-sez-omg-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-162925 richard vajs Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:07:28 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4829#comment-162925 Tim R, You say you feel terrible when any innocent person gets killed. How many innocent Iraqis do you think have been killed? How many innocent Palestinians? Enough to justify ending our's/Israel's occupations? One further question of you, please. Would you trade one Israeli or American life to save ten Muslim lives? What about a hundred Muslim lives?, a million? Tim R,
You say you feel terrible when any innocent person gets killed. How many innocent Iraqis do you think have been killed? How many innocent Palestinians? Enough to justify ending our’s/Israel’s occupations? One further question of you, please. Would you trade one Israeli or American life to save ten Muslim lives? What about a hundred Muslim lives?, a million?

]]> By: richard vajs http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/26/bin-laden-sez-omg-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-162924 richard vajs Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:28:11 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4829#comment-162924 Tim R, It is such a waste of my time to constantly point out truths to you, especially when you have shown no willingness to even acknowledge them - you just dig deeper in your bag of neocon talking points. But for the sake of others, let us do this again. What Muslim countries were we occupying on 9-11? We were in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Turkey, and Iraq (through our enforced No Fly Zone). We were sponsoring a dictator in Egypt (who was paid to not cause trouble for Israel). We were fomenting trouble in Jordan and Syria. We had just finished hostility against Libya and we were trying to get Iran. We had allowed Israel to torture Lebanon. We had aided the Taliban in Afghanistan and were by then deciding how to force them to accept an oil pipeline through their country. We did aid the Muslims in Bosnia but only for the same reason we aided the Taliban; namely, to shove a stick in the Soviet/Russian bear's eye. And of course, we had just finished paying the way for a lot of Russian Jews to migrate to the Palestinian territories with instructions to go steal their land for settlements from the Palestinians. All of this "messing" around with these Muslim countries but, of course, you see nothing. As to what assets we were stealing? I won't bore you with the details of a half century of CIA/IMF/World Bank bribes, thefts and scheming to get MidEast oil at bargain prices, but you can educate yourself very easily. Start by reading "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". Our manipulations in Indonesia (another resource rich Muslim area) have been phenomenal. Ditto, North Africa. You are right - I don't know you. I have no idea of what your level of human decency is. All I do know is that you can always be counted upon to tirelessly defend Israel's racism and land theft and America's anti-Islamic and anti-independence crusades. Tim R,
It is such a waste of my time to constantly point out truths to you, especially when you have shown no willingness to even acknowledge them – you just dig deeper in your bag of neocon talking points. But for the sake of others, let us do this again. What Muslim countries were we occupying on 9-11? We were in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Turkey, and Iraq (through our enforced No Fly Zone). We were sponsoring a dictator in Egypt (who was paid to not cause trouble for Israel). We were fomenting trouble in Jordan and Syria. We had just finished hostility against Libya and we were trying to get Iran. We had allowed Israel to torture Lebanon. We had aided the Taliban in Afghanistan and were by then deciding how to force them to accept an oil pipeline through their country. We did aid the Muslims in Bosnia but only for the same reason we aided the Taliban; namely, to shove a stick in the Soviet/Russian bear’s eye. And of course, we had just finished paying the way for a lot of Russian Jews to migrate to the Palestinian territories with instructions to go steal their land for settlements from the Palestinians. All of this “messing” around with these Muslim countries but, of course, you see nothing.
As to what assets we were stealing? I won’t bore you with the details of a half century of CIA/IMF/World Bank bribes, thefts and scheming to get MidEast oil at bargain prices, but you can educate yourself very easily. Start by reading “Confessions of an Economic Hitman”. Our manipulations in Indonesia (another resource rich Muslim area) have been phenomenal. Ditto, North Africa.
You are right – I don’t know you. I have no idea of what your level of human decency is. All I do know is that you can always be counted upon to tirelessly defend Israel’s racism and land theft and America’s anti-Islamic and anti-independence crusades.

]]> By: Tim R. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/26/bin-laden-sez-omg-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-162917 Tim R. Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:58:28 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4829#comment-162917 Lear K, The fact that so many thousands of Iraqi children died is awful, indeed, it was uncivilized and a crime against humanity that the United States stood by and allowed that to happen. It was wrong and I'm not making excuses. However, to say we "murdered" them is just silly. We stood by while it happend, but our intention was not to kill them, it was to limit the power of an evil and dangerous dictator by the name of Saddam Hussein. Our purpose was moral and just, however, the means we employed were not. And the ends don't justify the means. We should have found a way to allow food and medicine to get into the country. But by the way, doesn't Saddam and his government share a great deal of responsibility? How many lavish palaces did Saddam live in while these Iraqi children were starving? How much money from the UN "oil for food" program did he and his pals steal? What did his government do to alleviate the suffering of his people? Nothing. So why only blame the United States and the West? Lear K,

The fact that so many thousands of Iraqi children died is awful, indeed, it was uncivilized and a crime against humanity that the United States stood by and allowed that to happen. It was wrong and I’m not making excuses. However, to say we “murdered” them is just silly. We stood by while it happend, but our intention was not to kill them, it was to limit the power of an evil and dangerous dictator by the name of Saddam Hussein. Our purpose was moral and just, however, the means we employed were not. And the ends don’t justify the means. We should have found a way to allow food and medicine to get into the country.

But by the way, doesn’t Saddam and his government share a great deal of responsibility? How many lavish palaces did Saddam live in while these Iraqi children were starving? How much money from the UN “oil for food” program did he and his pals steal? What did his government do to alleviate the suffering of his people? Nothing. So why only blame the United States and the West?

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