Comments on: James Bond’s Secret Plot to Occupy the Crimea http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:49:55 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: david monaghan http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-163048 david monaghan Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:56:18 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-163048 Lester, it would be wonderful if we could all work for the unity of the world, but unfortunetly our history has be riggled with mistakes, bad leaders, apathy and the need to control our own destiny. Our animal instincts puts fences up to hold what we have and the rabid try to take more. It is not surprising then that the idea of a 'GOD' not of this world is the salvation of humanity and the rest---well we try our best. Lester, it would be wonderful if we could all work for the unity of the world, but unfortunetly our history has be riggled with mistakes, bad leaders, apathy and the need to control our own destiny. Our animal instincts puts fences up to hold what we have and the rabid try to take more. It is not surprising then that the idea of a ‘GOD’ not of this world is the salvation of humanity and the rest—well we try our best.

]]> By: Lester Ness http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-163047 Lester Ness Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:16:57 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-163047 The Cold War has, I fear, permanently changed US society and the way ordinary people think. Many cannot imagine life without a Cold War, an Evil Empire. Of course, dismantling the military-industrial complex would cause quite a bit of economic disruption. But in the long run, spending our money and energy on making useful things would profit us a great deal. But instead we spend, what?, 3 billion a week? in Iraq. It might as well be burned, except that wouldn't murder a million Iraqis. When I was a boy, in the heart of the Cold War, we were taught "hate the Commies, fear the Commies, kill the Commies!" I took part in the Viet Nam War and helped kill perhaps a million civilians. (At long distance: I never heard a shot fired.) Now, our leaders tell us "hate the Muslims, fear the Muslims, kill the Muslims," and perhaps a million Iraqis have died because of the US government. What next? Probably "hate the Chinks, fear the Chinks, kill the Chinks." I can tell you, my students here in China are no danger to the US. But some people are already broadcasting that Revelations decrees a nuclear war between the US and China! Lester The Cold War has, I fear, permanently changed US society and the way ordinary people think. Many cannot imagine life without a Cold War, an Evil Empire. Of course, dismantling the military-industrial complex would cause quite a bit of economic disruption. But in the long run, spending our money and energy on making useful things would profit us a great deal. But instead we spend, what?, 3 billion a week? in Iraq. It might as well be burned, except that wouldn’t murder a million Iraqis.

When I was a boy, in the heart of the Cold War, we were taught “hate the Commies, fear the Commies, kill the Commies!” I took part in the Viet Nam War and helped kill perhaps a million civilians. (At long distance: I never heard a shot fired.) Now, our leaders tell us “hate the Muslims, fear the Muslims, kill the Muslims,” and perhaps a million Iraqis have died because of the US government. What next? Probably “hate the Chinks, fear the Chinks, kill the Chinks.” I can tell you, my students here in China are no danger to the US. But some people are already broadcasting that Revelations decrees a nuclear war between the US and China!

Lester

]]> By: Andy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-163032 Andy Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:55:29 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-163032 It doesn't matter what Russia's "ideology" is. What matters is that the United States deliberately and needlessly chose to pursue a policy that was guaranteed to antagonize Russia when it could have chosen a more prudent one. Nor does the USA gain anything in my view from underwriting the security of places like the Baltic states. Should we risk a war - perhaps nuclear war - over places like Estonia? Why? What for? It doesn’t matter what Russia’s “ideology” is. What matters is that the United States deliberately and needlessly chose to pursue a policy that was guaranteed to antagonize Russia when it could have chosen a more prudent one. Nor does the USA gain anything in my view from underwriting the security of places like the Baltic states. Should we risk a war – perhaps nuclear war – over places like Estonia? Why? What for?

]]> By: david monaghan http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-163027 david monaghan Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:12:20 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-163027 Andy Russia had and still has a different ideology then the west and in this financial conservative turmoil we find ourselves in, who wants the west for a friend. Propaganda is a status quo arguement for both sides. If you take Russian chess they spent millions on promoting their interlectual superiority to the world only to find--- Garry Kasparov one of the best ever Russian players is now trying to change the polit bureau mind. All I can say is form a circle it will come around again what ever the propinquity, ideology or propadanda is. Andy Russia had and still has a different ideology then the west and in this financial conservative turmoil we find ourselves in, who wants the west for a friend. Propaganda is a status quo arguement for both sides. If you take Russian chess they spent millions on promoting their interlectual superiority to the world only to find— Garry Kasparov one of the best ever Russian players is now trying to change the polit bureau mind. All I can say is form a circle it will come around again what ever the propinquity, ideology or propadanda is.

]]> By: Andy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-163021 Andy Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:41:55 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-163021 If only the U.S. had adopted a pro-Russia stance after 1991, helping the country, instead of taking advantage of its weakness and chaos to expand Nato, attack Serbia, and pursue needless hegemonic agendas in eastern Europe and the Baltic. What if the west had dissolved Nato after the Warsaw Pact was dissolved as a goodwill gesture? Had floated Russia an interest-free 100 billion dollar loan (only a fraction of the cost of the Iraq war) and had done everything it could to lessen the historically justified Russian paranoa? What a different world we might be living in today. But Washington just couldn't resist the temptation to rub Russia's nose in its defeat and gloat. How sad. I don't see where an alliance with Estonia is better then having Russia's friendship. If only the U.S. had adopted a pro-Russia stance after 1991, helping the country, instead of taking advantage of its weakness and chaos to expand Nato, attack Serbia, and pursue needless hegemonic agendas in eastern Europe and the Baltic. What if the west had dissolved Nato after the Warsaw Pact was dissolved as a goodwill gesture? Had floated Russia an interest-free 100 billion dollar loan (only a fraction of the cost of the Iraq war) and had done everything it could to lessen the historically justified Russian paranoa? What a different world we might be living in today. But Washington just couldn’t resist the temptation to rub Russia’s nose in its defeat and gloat. How sad. I don’t see where an alliance with Estonia is better then having Russia’s friendship.

]]> By: little guy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-163016 little guy Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:23:35 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-163016 It's good to see that at least some people know that hollywood is a propaganda/PsyOp factory for the US government...as always, though, the american sheeple are totally f#&kin' clueless about it! LMAO...Americans are the village idiots of the Global Village! XD But, like the drooling neighborhood retard who doesn't know his own strength, the american sheeple bring harm upon anyone or anything that catches their lazy eye! Good god! Who will stop them?! It’s good to see that at least some people know that hollywood is a propaganda/PsyOp factory for the US government…as always, though, the american sheeple are totally f#&kin’ clueless about it! LMAO…Americans are the village idiots of the Global Village! XD

But, like the drooling neighborhood retard who doesn’t know his own strength, the american sheeple bring harm upon anyone or anything that catches their lazy eye! Good god! Who will stop them?!

]]> By: Terry Washington http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-163015 Terry Washington Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:26:38 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-163015 If this apparatchik seriously believes that James Bond worked for decades under the orders of Reagan and Thatcher to destroy the USSR, no wonder the Soviets lost the Cold War!!! If this apparatchik seriously believes that James Bond worked for decades under the orders of Reagan and Thatcher to destroy the USSR, no wonder the Soviets lost the Cold War!!!

]]> By: Lester Ness http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-163007 Lester Ness Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:33:29 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-163007 Well, there a lot of conspiracy kooks out there and some of them live in Russia. Critical thinking is a rare skill just about everywhere. Lester Ness Kunming China Well, there a lot of conspiracy kooks out there and some of them live in Russia. Critical thinking is a rare skill just about everywhere.

Lester Ness
Kunming
China

]]> By: Stanley Laham http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-163001 Stanley Laham Sun, 02 Nov 2008 23:39:21 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-163001 Well said Robert Mitchum. Hollywood was, I am covinced, the best propaganda tool the US possessed throughout the 20th. century. I should know, my father owned a cinema in the third world. The best brainwashing is when the victim thinks he is being entertained. It certainly fooled the people of Eastern Europe and some in the former Soviet Republics who equated Hollywood's fantasies about the American way of life with reality. The joke is now on them... PS Robert Mitchum was a stalwart of that fictional image. Well said Robert Mitchum.

Hollywood was, I am covinced, the best propaganda tool the US possessed throughout the 20th. century. I should know, my father owned a cinema in the third world. The best brainwashing is when the victim thinks he is being entertained. It certainly fooled the people of Eastern Europe and some in the former Soviet Republics who equated Hollywood’s fantasies about the American way of life with reality. The joke is now on them…

PS Robert Mitchum was a stalwart of that fictional image.

]]> By: david monaghan http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-162991 david monaghan Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:40:28 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-162991 Hollywood caters for a large audience just to make money. With regards to political skull duggery it is estimated that 40 million American will vote in this election, the most ever, yet 201.5 million have the right to vote--approx.19% will take time out. I say keep the garbage comming who cares and let the commies provide the tottie (women) Hollywood caters for a large audience just to make money. With regards to political skull duggery it is estimated that 40 million American will vote in this election, the most ever, yet 201.5 million have the right to vote–approx.19% will take time out. I say keep the garbage comming who cares and let the commies provide the tottie (women)

]]> By: Robert Mitchum http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-162985 Robert Mitchum Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:06:35 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-162985 The man is some sort of a cartoonish peasant and easy to ridicule, but at some level he is actualy right. Russia got screwed over by the West in 1990s over and over again. The country plunged into poverty by Western backed Jelcin. Westerners have been ever since importing good-looking Russian brides from over there wanting to escape the poverty. And now to top it all James Bond gets to hump a Russian hottie. He may be just a movie character, but the movie is patriotic Hollywood garbage worshipping Western inteligence servies and the actress is an actual Russian-Ukrainian. What would Americans have to say to a US bimbo that acted in a Russian movie where Ivan Drago would get to have his way with her? In a world where the USSR had actually won the Cold War and proceeded to humiliate USA in every way possible? The man is some sort of a cartoonish peasant and easy to ridicule, but at some level he is actualy right. Russia got screwed over by the West in 1990s over and over again. The country plunged into poverty by Western backed Jelcin. Westerners have been ever since importing good-looking Russian brides from over there wanting to escape the poverty. And now to top it all James Bond gets to hump a Russian hottie.

He may be just a movie character, but the movie is patriotic Hollywood garbage worshipping Western inteligence servies and the actress is an actual Russian-Ukrainian. What would Americans have to say to a US bimbo that acted in a Russian movie where Ivan Drago would get to have his way with her? In a world where the USSR had actually won the Cold War and proceeded to humiliate USA in every way possible?

]]> By: Corkey http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2008/10/31/james-bonds-secret-plot-to-occupy-the-crimea/comment-page-1/#comment-162975 Corkey Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:19:26 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=4866#comment-162975 90-95% of Hollywood produces today is complete garbage on a third grade level. 90-95% of Hollywood produces today is complete garbage on a third grade level.

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