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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Agree, he is a joke. Both John and Eugene have an amazing ability to be condescending at the drop of a hat. But don&#039;t question anything they say or how they say it. They are the experts in everything after all. 

Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Agree, he is a joke. Both John and Eugene have an amazing ability to be condescending at the drop of a hat. But don&#8217;t question anything they say or how they say it. They are the experts in everything after all. </p>
<p>Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Usama Bin Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Usama Bin Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The USA has always been at war with Eurasia ... er Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USA has always been at war with Eurasia &#8230; er Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans are indeed extremely unempathetic.  I simply cannot get my fellow Americans to put themselves into the shoes of those (even the innocent civilians) they want to kill, hurt, or force to be like us.  This defect likely has to do with our materialism, which can be a great squelcher of introspection and ethical balance; our accustomed perch on what we think is western civilization&#039;s peak; our having escaped the fate of so many other nations conquered or partly laid waste by external enemies, as well as other factors I suppose.  

It&#039;s been bred into our bones, it seems, to think ourselves the guardian and enforcer of the world&#039;s morals.  Our perpetual war standing since WWII is not coincidentally synchronous with our now utterly casual belief that we are justified in behavior toward other nations--war, special ops incursions, spy and warplane overflights, sanctions, detainees--that we wouldn&#039;t countenance for a moment.  It&#039;s a little surreal to discuss politics with my local auto mechanic, who&#039;s a smart guy, and hear the same world view of our &quot;right&quot; to set the world straight that you might hear from any crazed academic neocon.

The average American is a bit of Jekyll and Hyde.  Generous and friendly but typically not thoughtful, and a vengeful maniac toward those he thinks threaten us or are upstarts in any way.  Maybe insecure too, as all those who monarchically think they are in charge are.  We don&#039;t want any economic or military organization to form without us at least in the background, and the only sphere of influence we will allow is our own.  

For me, I just wish we would mind our own garden and let the world be.  Fat chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans are indeed extremely unempathetic.  I simply cannot get my fellow Americans to put themselves into the shoes of those (even the innocent civilians) they want to kill, hurt, or force to be like us.  This defect likely has to do with our materialism, which can be a great squelcher of introspection and ethical balance; our accustomed perch on what we think is western civilization&#8217;s peak; our having escaped the fate of so many other nations conquered or partly laid waste by external enemies, as well as other factors I suppose.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been bred into our bones, it seems, to think ourselves the guardian and enforcer of the world&#8217;s morals.  Our perpetual war standing since WWII is not coincidentally synchronous with our now utterly casual belief that we are justified in behavior toward other nations&#8211;war, special ops incursions, spy and warplane overflights, sanctions, detainees&#8211;that we wouldn&#8217;t countenance for a moment.  It&#8217;s a little surreal to discuss politics with my local auto mechanic, who&#8217;s a smart guy, and hear the same world view of our &#8220;right&#8221; to set the world straight that you might hear from any crazed academic neocon.</p>
<p>The average American is a bit of Jekyll and Hyde.  Generous and friendly but typically not thoughtful, and a vengeful maniac toward those he thinks threaten us or are upstarts in any way.  Maybe insecure too, as all those who monarchically think they are in charge are.  We don&#8217;t want any economic or military organization to form without us at least in the background, and the only sphere of influence we will allow is our own.  </p>
<p>For me, I just wish we would mind our own garden and let the world be.  Fat chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R. Nelson,

An excellent answer, and one which hadn&#039;t yet occurred to me.  Imperial dominance breeds self-regard of the basest kind.  I daresay one would find similar pathologies in Rome or Britain during their respective zeniths.  But the depth of ignorance, I think, can also partially be imputed to the conspicuous absence of any real notion of civics or even, I would venture, the &quot;public space&quot;, from the American psyche.  Sure, they&#039;ll vote, but they don&#039;t wish to involve themselves in politics and all that it entails, least it distract them from their pusuit of consumerist nirvana.  But the self-absorbtion seems to be individual as well as collective, so a certain measure of it seems to be embedded in the ersatz culture of America.  What do you think?  Mind you, I&#039;m only nineteen years of age, and I&#039;ve lived in Canada since eleven, but I&#039;ve had ample opportunity to read about and observe America from afar, as well as personally encounter some of its output, and it seems that a certain deficit of empathy, of emotional imagination, toward even individuals viewed as equals is a part of the &quot;national character&quot;.  Has this been true in your experience?  What, in your encounters, does the average American seem like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R. Nelson,</p>
<p>An excellent answer, and one which hadn&#8217;t yet occurred to me.  Imperial dominance breeds self-regard of the basest kind.  I daresay one would find similar pathologies in Rome or Britain during their respective zeniths.  But the depth of ignorance, I think, can also partially be imputed to the conspicuous absence of any real notion of civics or even, I would venture, the &#8220;public space&#8221;, from the American psyche.  Sure, they&#8217;ll vote, but they don&#8217;t wish to involve themselves in politics and all that it entails, least it distract them from their pusuit of consumerist nirvana.  But the self-absorbtion seems to be individual as well as collective, so a certain measure of it seems to be embedded in the ersatz culture of America.  What do you think?  Mind you, I&#8217;m only nineteen years of age, and I&#8217;ve lived in Canada since eleven, but I&#8217;ve had ample opportunity to read about and observe America from afar, as well as personally encounter some of its output, and it seems that a certain deficit of empathy, of emotional imagination, toward even individuals viewed as equals is a part of the &#8220;national character&#8221;.  Has this been true in your experience?  What, in your encounters, does the average American seem like?</p>
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		<title>By: stevieb</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevieb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Lowell - for a self-proclaimed Christian you have quite the gutter mouth on you.

&quot;Cross your legs - your breath smells&quot;??

LOL&gt;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Lowell &#8211; for a self-proclaimed Christian you have quite the gutter mouth on you.</p>
<p>&#8220;Cross your legs &#8211; your breath smells&#8221;??</p>
<p>LOL&gt;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: subHuman</title>
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		<dc:creator>subHuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Majority of Americans are bloodthirsty barbarians seeking to plunder and enslave resources belonging to others.

Jewish Carpenter mythology and other nonsensical religions help them justify their crimes against HUMANITY!

Now they have a Black Terrorist in Chief, just proves that skin color doesn&#039;t have much to do with morality or RESPECT for human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Majority of Americans are bloodthirsty barbarians seeking to plunder and enslave resources belonging to others.</p>
<p>Jewish Carpenter mythology and other nonsensical religions help them justify their crimes against HUMANITY!</p>
<p>Now they have a Black Terrorist in Chief, just proves that skin color doesn&#8217;t have much to do with morality or RESPECT for human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang good question, Kenneth.  I&#039;ve no special insight as to why we Americans prefer ignorance, but lack of insight has never stopped me from speculating on other matters.  Here goes:  We&#039;re incurious (just like Bush) because we see ourselves as masters of the world, or the pinnacle of western development.  Because we don&#039;t have to carefully examine our tenets, we don&#039;t.

Did the typical ancient Roman ever wonder about some obscure Teutonic tribe shivering on the Rhine, or reflect on the suffering that his proud Roman armies inflicted across much of the known world?  You can bet the Greeks tagging along with Alexander the Great didn&#039;t much afflict themselves with introspection about the &quot;barbarians&quot; they routinely slapped about.  It&#039;s a sort of unconscious hubris.  Why take effort to learn about or empathize with people lower on the civilized ladder than you are?

To have a buck for every time some poltroon yaps about America being the richest, the most powerful, the finest, the freest country on earth!  He never says the most beautiful city on a hill, or light unto the nations, but usually some imperialistic piece of buffoonery.  We suffer from what Bill Kauffman calls &quot;aggressive ignorance.&quot;  It&#039;s not necessarily stupidity--I&#039;ve met lots of people who are accomplished, can fix things, figure out arcane problems, and in general run mental rings around me.  But they lack critical and analytical skills, see no need for such things anyway, and are content to see or be told the world is a footstool for America and its values. 

A certain amount of self-regard is normal and healthy for any nation.  Americans, never much of a contemplative people to begin with, carry that regard to the extreme.  As the most evolved (so we think) culture, we are constitutionally incapable of putting ourselves into others&#039; shoes.  That&#039;s why it makes perfect sense to many of us that we should war with Russia (even with its 12,000 nukes) over Georgia so we can use the latter as a staging point for attacks on Iran, which has never threatened us.  And yet were we to be treated even slightly like we treat others, in our rage we would call down fire from the heavens upon our enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang good question, Kenneth.  I&#8217;ve no special insight as to why we Americans prefer ignorance, but lack of insight has never stopped me from speculating on other matters.  Here goes:  We&#8217;re incurious (just like Bush) because we see ourselves as masters of the world, or the pinnacle of western development.  Because we don&#8217;t have to carefully examine our tenets, we don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Did the typical ancient Roman ever wonder about some obscure Teutonic tribe shivering on the Rhine, or reflect on the suffering that his proud Roman armies inflicted across much of the known world?  You can bet the Greeks tagging along with Alexander the Great didn&#8217;t much afflict themselves with introspection about the &#8220;barbarians&#8221; they routinely slapped about.  It&#8217;s a sort of unconscious hubris.  Why take effort to learn about or empathize with people lower on the civilized ladder than you are?</p>
<p>To have a buck for every time some poltroon yaps about America being the richest, the most powerful, the finest, the freest country on earth!  He never says the most beautiful city on a hill, or light unto the nations, but usually some imperialistic piece of buffoonery.  We suffer from what Bill Kauffman calls &#8220;aggressive ignorance.&#8221;  It&#8217;s not necessarily stupidity&#8211;I&#8217;ve met lots of people who are accomplished, can fix things, figure out arcane problems, and in general run mental rings around me.  But they lack critical and analytical skills, see no need for such things anyway, and are content to see or be told the world is a footstool for America and its values. </p>
<p>A certain amount of self-regard is normal and healthy for any nation.  Americans, never much of a contemplative people to begin with, carry that regard to the extreme.  As the most evolved (so we think) culture, we are constitutionally incapable of putting ourselves into others&#8217; shoes.  That&#8217;s why it makes perfect sense to many of us that we should war with Russia (even with its 12,000 nukes) over Georgia so we can use the latter as a staging point for attacks on Iran, which has never threatened us.  And yet were we to be treated even slightly like we treat others, in our rage we would call down fire from the heavens upon our enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Lester Ness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lester Ness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be.  There&#039;s more than one way to be a dominatrix!

Lester Ness
Kunming
China</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be.  There&#8217;s more than one way to be a dominatrix!</p>
<p>Lester Ness<br />
Kunming<br />
China</p>
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		<title>By: Lester Ness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lester Ness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t confuse me with the other Lester.  I&#039;m an ex-Evangelical, current Roman Catholic.  I just don&#039;t hate Jews or Muslims enough for some people!  Buddhists and Taoists don&#039;t bother me either.  The local pagans (called ben jia) have always treated me fine. Likewise Black Americans and Asians of all sorts.

By some curious coincidence, every time I&#039;ve been pinched with pliers, kicked, forced to eat vomit, brainwashed into self-hatred or chronic depression, it&#039;s been by some White Anglo-Saxon Protestant type, usually boasting about how superior their conservative morals are!  That&#039;s why I believe in Original Sin, even Total Depravity: I ran into it so often in the USA. That&#039;s why I don&#039;t have as high an opinion of my fellow White Americans as they usually do, either.  Not all are torturers and brain-washers, but some are.

Lester Ness
Kunming
China</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t confuse me with the other Lester.  I&#8217;m an ex-Evangelical, current Roman Catholic.  I just don&#8217;t hate Jews or Muslims enough for some people!  Buddhists and Taoists don&#8217;t bother me either.  The local pagans (called ben jia) have always treated me fine. Likewise Black Americans and Asians of all sorts.</p>
<p>By some curious coincidence, every time I&#8217;ve been pinched with pliers, kicked, forced to eat vomit, brainwashed into self-hatred or chronic depression, it&#8217;s been by some White Anglo-Saxon Protestant type, usually boasting about how superior their conservative morals are!  That&#8217;s why I believe in Original Sin, even Total Depravity: I ran into it so often in the USA. That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t have as high an opinion of my fellow White Americans as they usually do, either.  Not all are torturers and brain-washers, but some are.</p>
<p>Lester Ness<br />
Kunming<br />
China</p>
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		<title>By: Mary O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sick of hearing that Palin &quot;energized the base.&quot; These Christian Zionists are not a huge demographic (maybe they are 1% of the country at the max), and the apparent McCaine-Palin defeat proves it. Palin gushed about how much she loves Israel, and threatened Russia in her acceptance speech. She scared the true base, who are middle-class suburban Whites, away from the GOP. The Democrats protect the poor, the GOP protects the very rich; both parties protect Israel. Suburban, middle-class White Americans are the &quot;Cinderellas&quot;: We do ALL the work; we pay ALL the taxes, and what do we get back? NOTHING! We hate all these losing wars; we hate the lack of oversight that allowed reckless lending; we hate abortion, the gay agenda and outsourcing. But no candidate ever reaches out to us. That&#039;s called a &quot;democracy&quot; --- being totally ripped off and ignored. McCaine reached out to the lunatic Rapture bunnies like Palin, but he never thought about us, the REAL Americans. 

(Let&#039;s give McCaine credit for one little insight: he did reject Lieberman.) 

Oh, and by the way, yes, the Bolsheviks were Communists. Comparing the NS to Palin is grossly unjust; the NS leadership were intelligent and reasonable men, not a bunch of addle-brained war-mongering ditzes. The German NS really only wanted a strong middle-class society, which is why they are so vilified in the US. But that&#039;s not what your PolySci100 teacher told you? Read Mein Kampf and figure it out for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sick of hearing that Palin &#8220;energized the base.&#8221; These Christian Zionists are not a huge demographic (maybe they are 1% of the country at the max), and the apparent McCaine-Palin defeat proves it. Palin gushed about how much she loves Israel, and threatened Russia in her acceptance speech. She scared the true base, who are middle-class suburban Whites, away from the GOP. The Democrats protect the poor, the GOP protects the very rich; both parties protect Israel. Suburban, middle-class White Americans are the &#8220;Cinderellas&#8221;: We do ALL the work; we pay ALL the taxes, and what do we get back? NOTHING! We hate all these losing wars; we hate the lack of oversight that allowed reckless lending; we hate abortion, the gay agenda and outsourcing. But no candidate ever reaches out to us. That&#8217;s called a &#8220;democracy&#8221; &#8212; being totally ripped off and ignored. McCaine reached out to the lunatic Rapture bunnies like Palin, but he never thought about us, the REAL Americans. </p>
<p>(Let&#8217;s give McCaine credit for one little insight: he did reject Lieberman.) </p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, yes, the Bolsheviks were Communists. Comparing the NS to Palin is grossly unjust; the NS leadership were intelligent and reasonable men, not a bunch of addle-brained war-mongering ditzes. The German NS really only wanted a strong middle-class society, which is why they are so vilified in the US. But that&#8217;s not what your PolySci100 teacher told you? Read Mein Kampf and figure it out for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye, but why?  What conditions could give rise to such an apparently unique cultural propensity?</description>
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		<title>By: Obvious Guy Says</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obvious Guy Says</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my extensive travels through the lower 48 it was pretty clear to me that some Americans take perverse pride in being morons. Everything seems to begin and end with what they learn for two hours every Sunday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my extensive travels through the lower 48 it was pretty clear to me that some Americans take perverse pride in being morons. Everything seems to begin and end with what they learn for two hours every Sunday.</p>
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