Comments on: Obama: Agent of Change? Well, Agent of Somethin’ http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/29/obama-agent-of-change-well-agent-of-somethin/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:20:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Attack the System » Blog Archive » Updated News Digest February 8, 2009 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/29/obama-agent-of-change-well-agent-of-somethin/comment-page-1/#comment-167689 Attack the System » Blog Archive » Updated News Digest February 8, 2009 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:29:19 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5255#comment-167689 [...] Obama: Agent of Change? Well, Agent of Something… by Jeremy Sapienza [...] [...] Obama: Agent of Change? Well, Agent of Something… by Jeremy Sapienza [...]

]]> By: Vassili http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/29/obama-agent-of-change-well-agent-of-somethin/comment-page-1/#comment-167383 Vassili Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:51:11 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5255#comment-167383 Yes, how about this scenario: Russia and Core Europe, i.e Germany/France/Italy get into a real union, together with China :-| NATO is dissolved. US intervenes military, in alliance with group-of-6-US-tool-object/states (Georgia, Ukraine, Poland, Moldova etc.) engage into the real war with R/E/C-Union. US looses. So, is that the kind of staggering event you have in mind? I hope not :-) Yes, how about this scenario:

Russia and Core Europe, i.e Germany/France/Italy get into a real union, together with China :-|

NATO is dissolved.

US intervenes military, in alliance with group-of-6-US-tool-object/states (Georgia, Ukraine, Poland, Moldova etc.) engage into the real war with R/E/C-Union.

US looses.

So, is that the kind of staggering event you have in mind?

I hope not :-)

]]> By: wadosy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/29/obama-agent-of-change-well-agent-of-somethin/comment-page-1/#comment-167374 wadosy Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:27:44 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5255#comment-167374 <blockquote>"...a gutting of israeli americans’ constitutional rights."</blockquote> another mistake in the post above, a symptom of the illness: i dont even think of americans as "americans" anymore... we're all israeli americans now.

“…a gutting of israeli americans’ constitutional rights.”

another mistake in the post above, a symptom of the illness: i dont even think of americans as “americans” anymore…

we’re all israeli americans now.

]]> By: wadosy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/29/obama-agent-of-change-well-agent-of-somethin/comment-page-1/#comment-167373 wadosy Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:24:57 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5255#comment-167373 ...and now what's happening is this: the israelis and israeli americans are hoping that common americans have been sufficiently demoralized and brutalized that they'll either (1) come to accept the "wisdom" of the 9/11 operation, or (2) they've become so apathetic they will hold still for it, or (3) they're so confused by the lies and half-truths and financial disasters, so caught up in the struggle for survival, that the 9/11 triggering mechanism just isnt very important anymore. ...but, just in case malcontents survive, there's always the FEMA camps backed by a gutting of israeli americans' constitutional rights. …and now what’s happening is this: the israelis and israeli americans are hoping that common americans have been sufficiently demoralized and brutalized that they’ll either (1) come to accept the “wisdom” of the 9/11 operation, or (2) they’ve become so apathetic they will hold still for it, or (3) they’re so confused by the lies and half-truths and financial disasters, so caught up in the struggle for survival, that the 9/11 triggering mechanism just isnt very important anymore.

…but, just in case malcontents survive, there’s always the FEMA camps backed by a gutting of israeli americans’ constitutional rights.

]]> By: wadosy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/29/obama-agent-of-change-well-agent-of-somethin/comment-page-1/#comment-167372 wadosy Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:12:10 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5255#comment-167372 there's a mistake in the time line in my post above: PNAC published their need for a "new pearl harbor" <i>a year before their new pearl harbor happened,</i> and five months before they were installed, by an election recount in a state governed by a PNAC member who just happened to be brother to the president-elect, into positions from which they could make their "new pearl harbor" happen. there’s a mistake in the time line in my post above: PNAC published their need for a “new pearl harbor” a year before their new pearl harbor happened, and five months before they were installed, by an election recount in a state governed by a PNAC member who just happened to be brother to the president-elect, into positions from which they could make their “new pearl harbor” happen.

]]> By: wadosy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/29/obama-agent-of-change-well-agent-of-somethin/comment-page-1/#comment-167371 wadosy Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:59:43 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5255#comment-167371 <blockquote>"The key question is who is driving this ludicrous, outragious economic agenda across both sides of politics & media..."   "There is ABSOLUTELY no other way forward."</blockquote>   what if there's no way forward, period?   would that explain everything? ...would that explain why everyone's defaulting to "loot" mode? ...would that explain why some people were desperate enough to do the 9/11 operation to kick off one last-ditch effort to grab enough energy to prolong the agony? ...would that explain why some people were desperate enough to do the 9/11 operation to kick off one last-ditch effort to secure israel?   why do you spose PNAC, a coalition of israeli americans, corporate fascists and deathwish christians, published a document stating their need for a "new pearl harbor" a year before they were installed in positions from which they could make their "new pearl harbor" happen?

“The key question is who is driving this ludicrous, outragious economic agenda across both sides of politics & media…”
 
“There is ABSOLUTELY no other way forward.”

 
what if there’s no way forward, period?
 
would that explain everything? …would that explain why everyone’s defaulting to “loot” mode? …would that explain why some people were desperate enough to do the 9/11 operation to kick off one last-ditch effort to grab enough energy to prolong the agony? …would that explain why some people were desperate enough to do the 9/11 operation to kick off one last-ditch effort to secure israel?
 
why do you spose PNAC, a coalition of israeli americans, corporate fascists and deathwish christians, published a document stating their need for a “new pearl harbor” a year before they were installed in positions from which they could make their “new pearl harbor” happen?

]]> By: Bill http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/29/obama-agent-of-change-well-agent-of-somethin/comment-page-1/#comment-167370 Bill Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:40:01 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5255#comment-167370 Bravo Elizabeth. "As I understand it two of the justices and dual American/Israeli citizens".....and I note, Israeli justice is a total farce! Bravo Elizabeth. “As I understand it two of the justices and dual American/Israeli citizens”…..and I note, Israeli justice is a total farce!

]]> By: Bill http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/29/obama-agent-of-change-well-agent-of-somethin/comment-page-1/#comment-167369 Bill Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:09:11 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5255#comment-167369 Media fraud (& journo ignorance) is the real problem (read, Misinformation). There is no sensible debate and the media agenda provides cover or even CAUSES the crooked political agenda. The internet is a way forward and reason for hope IF they don't censor it. Media fraud (& journo ignorance) is the real problem (read, Misinformation). There is no sensible debate and the media agenda provides cover or even CAUSES the crooked political agenda. The internet is a way forward and reason for hope IF they don’t censor it.

]]> By: Bill http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/29/obama-agent-of-change-well-agent-of-somethin/comment-page-1/#comment-167368 Bill Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:03:36 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5255#comment-167368 Very well said. It's not only about the control of the many by the few but also "the few" having no real accountability. I think repeated legal "joint actions" by groups of citizens might help to improve things. They are not being intellectually stood up to anywhere. Very well said. It’s not only about the control of the many by the few but also “the few” having no real accountability. I think repeated legal “joint actions” by groups of citizens might help to improve things. They are not being intellectually stood up to anywhere.

]]> By: Bill http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/01/29/obama-agent-of-change-well-agent-of-somethin/comment-page-1/#comment-167366 Bill Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:34:52 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5255#comment-167366 Why no change? The key question is who is driving this ludicrous, outragious economic agenda across both sides of politics & media? Follow the money.... Why have the west DELIBERATELY been importing debt & exporting jobs (to quote Zig Ziegler?)? Has the 3rd world benefited from IMF & World bank in the slightest? (& where has all the money gone?) Why have we created "tax & trade laws" that wreck our secondary industries where the real wealth & jobs are created? My theory is we have a system that forces the masses & business into debt and gradually the "main few banks" end up with almost all the wealth. These same banks can influence & drive political agendas because basically Govts. are dependent on them for loans. I also suspect, these Bankers are not only driving this stupid agenda to enrich themselves but are also behind war agendas to expand their markets power and wealth. I suggest you research Bilderberg Group & Trilateral commission. The bailouts thing is another racket...more of the medicine that is killing us. The USA has a current account deficit of more than $120 Bill p.m. We need to get back to profitable secondary industry by "tax & imports tax reform" or it's bankruptcy. There is ABSOLUTELY no other way forward. Why no change? The key question is who is driving this ludicrous, outragious economic agenda across both sides of politics & media? Follow the money…. Why have the west DELIBERATELY been importing debt & exporting jobs (to quote Zig Ziegler?)? Has the 3rd world benefited from IMF & World bank in the slightest? (& where has all the money gone?) Why have we created “tax & trade laws” that wreck our secondary industries where the real wealth & jobs are created? My theory is we have a system that forces the masses & business into debt and gradually the “main few banks” end up with almost all the wealth. These same banks can influence & drive political agendas because basically Govts. are dependent on them for loans. I also suspect, these Bankers are not only driving this stupid agenda to enrich themselves but are also behind war agendas to expand their markets power and wealth. I suggest you research Bilderberg Group & Trilateral commission. The bailouts thing is another racket…more of the medicine that is killing us. The USA has a current account deficit of more than $120 Bill p.m. We need to get back to profitable secondary industry by “tax & imports tax reform” or it’s bankruptcy. There is ABSOLUTELY no other way forward.

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