Comments on: Obama’s “Nation of Laws”

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By: Ira Epstein

Ira Epstein — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:39:19 +0000

If Obama really does believe the United States is a nation governed under the rule of law then he must reconsider his decision not to prosecute those complicit in the Bush torture regime. The following, I think, are relevant quotes from the Convention Against Torture, which is a treaty lawfully enacted by the US Senate. According to the constitution of the United States that treaty is binding law in the United States.

Convention Against Torture Part I Article 2:

1. Each state party shall take effective legislative, administrative, judicial, or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.

2. NO EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES WHATSOEVER, WHETHER A STATE OF WAR, OR A THREAT OF WAR, INTERNAL POLITICAL INSTABILITY OR ANY OTHER PUBLIC EMERGENCY, MAY BE INVOKED AS A JUSTIFICATION OF TORTURE.

3. AN ORDER FROM A SUPERIOR OFFICER OR A PUBLIC AUTHORITY MAY NOT BE INVOKED AS A JUSTIFICATION FOR TORTURE.

Obama should also be put on notice that if he continues the policy of renditioning persons suspected of terrorism to countries that are known to torture he is violating US Law.

Convention Against Torture Part I Article 3

1. No state party shall expel, return, or extradite a person to another state where there are substansial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subject to torture.

If Obama continues his obstructionist tactics to prevent the criminal prosecution of those who engaged in torture or constructed outlandish legal arguments to justify torture he should be impeached. The grounds for impeachment would be a failure to faithfully execute the laws of the United States. If Obama renditions one more person to be tortured he should be impeached for violating relevant US law. After impeachment he should be criminally prosecuted for his actions.

By: Lear K

Lear K — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:22:23 +0000

Spanish AG: No torture probe of ‘Bush 6′
Attorney General Candido Conde-Pumpido told reporters that the case was without merit because the officials were not present when the alleged torture took place and that a trial would turn Spain’s National Court into “a plaything” for political ends.”

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Spanish_attorney_general_will_recommend_against_0416.html

“the officials were not present when the alleged torture took place”

It was a Spanish judge who ordered the arrest of Augusto Pinochet ,the former dictator of Chile,for humane rights abuses.Pinochet was not present when these abuses took place either!
Was there arm twisting of Spain in this case!? I would endeed there was.After all the victims of the abuse were ‘rag-heads’ after all!Or did Spain play part in these abuses?

By: richard vajs

richard vajs — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:10:14 +0000

Of course, we are a nation of laws – it is just that the laws that prevail at the highest level are not the laws that are publically revered. The laws that are revered deal with truth, justice and equality. The laws that prevail at the governing level include:
1. Money usually trumps morality, big money is supreme
2 The greediest always demand the most and usually get the most
3. Some crimes are too big to punish
4. Don’t prosecute anyone who may be in a position someday to prosecute you

By: Romira

Romira — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:10:12 +0000

“things” in the third paragraph above should read “thugs” although “things” might actually be appropriate….. sorry.

By: Romira

Romira — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:07:35 +0000

America, no different than any other country in this world, is NOT a nation of laws as such and never was.

Granted that there is a plethora of laws for controling every aspect of the regular citizens life and in that regard one can claim that America is a nation of “laws and not of men”. Yet, those in the “elite class” make the laws and have never ever been, except for a few glaring examples, subject to those laws. They are a law unto themselves and thus, America is not really a nation of laws and never was.

Tha mass murdering Bush and his criminal thugs will get away with it because the bought and paid for emerging thigs like Obama merely obey the dictates of whomever it is that in fact does control the government from behind the scenes.

The most sickening reason given for not prosecuting is that, in effect, “they were merely following orders”…….. Does the title “Nuremburg Trials” come to mind where all those tried as war criminals were merely following orders like good soldiers do?

By: the $50 is the new $20

the $50 is the new $20 — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:12:56 +0000

I just read that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in one month while being held at Gitmo. We are an evil empire. Everyone act surprised when we collapse under the burden of our moral shortcomings (as evil empires are want to do).

By: Orville H. Larson

Orville H. Larson — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 03:45:18 +0000

President Obama The Divine released the torture memos (and that’s praiseworthy). Trouble is, he blows a lot of smoke about how the CIA personnel shouldn’t be prosecuted because they relied on “Justice” Department advice, and it’s time to move on, blah blah blah.

Bullshit.

Not only should the CIA degenerates who carried out this filth be prosecuted, it’s vital to go after the “Justice” Department cretins who justified it. Scum like Jay Bybee, John Yoo, Steven Bradbury et al. aren’t fit to grace the company of good men. And what about the former Chickenhawk-in-Chief and his equally chickenhawk Vice President, “Five Deferments Dick” Cheney? They ordered it, didn’t they?

Shit, at Nuremberg they strung guys up who issued orders, directives, and decrees authorizing killing and torture. Nazi Minister of Justice Wilhelm Frick, Governor General of Poland Hans Frank, and their colleagues didn’t personally kill or torture anyone, but they issued the orders that led to it.

As long as this goes unpunished, the U.S. Government had better not lecture ANYBODY about ANYTHING. (At the very least, couldn’t Bush, Cheney, Yoo, Bybee, Gonzales, Bradbury
be waterboarded? I mean, it’s a start!)

By: Skulz Fontaine

Skulz Fontaine — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:50:19 +0000

America a nation of law? Ridiculous! America is a nation of the political expedient. Waterboard Eric Holder.

By: Mike W.

Mike W. — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:30:43 +0000

Investigators should look into the motivations and actions and writings of the Cheneys, the Yoos, and other assorted parties who may have excused or authorized “enhanced interrogation techniques.” And, for one last time, they should be authorized to use those techniques to get to the bottom of just what went on. You say torture does not yield reliable information? Well, just for this one last time, who cares?