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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/04/25/obamas-double-standard-on-atrocities-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-169454</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 03:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it happens, I live in Canada and I regard the Islamists as little more than reactionary thugs representative of a social layer that would lack significant mass support but for the presence of such foreign occupants as the US military.  So, Mike, do you suppose it&#039;s a shade presumptuous to claim that I believe the Islamists are &quot;misunderstood&quot; or that I live within America?  For that matter, do you think hollow didacticism of the sort you practice, wherein you never proffer a scintilla of empirical support for any of the sweeping assertions you make, is liable to place you in the unenviable intellectual position of having to retreat from your previous argument when the facts of the matter are presented?  Could it be that your stereotyped thinking precludes any rational evaluation?  As a concluding remark, &quot;America&quot; is a mental construction that does not correspond to any concrete reality.  The State apparatus is controlled by a narrow group of plutocrats who pursue their own interests, independently of what their subjects think and share no common identity with the latter.  If you think such types embody your interests, you&#039;re a sight beyond &quot;deluded&quot;, chief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it happens, I live in Canada and I regard the Islamists as little more than reactionary thugs representative of a social layer that would lack significant mass support but for the presence of such foreign occupants as the US military.  So, Mike, do you suppose it&#8217;s a shade presumptuous to claim that I believe the Islamists are &#8220;misunderstood&#8221; or that I live within America?  For that matter, do you think hollow didacticism of the sort you practice, wherein you never proffer a scintilla of empirical support for any of the sweeping assertions you make, is liable to place you in the unenviable intellectual position of having to retreat from your previous argument when the facts of the matter are presented?  Could it be that your stereotyped thinking precludes any rational evaluation?  As a concluding remark, &#8220;America&#8221; is a mental construction that does not correspond to any concrete reality.  The State apparatus is controlled by a narrow group of plutocrats who pursue their own interests, independently of what their subjects think and share no common identity with the latter.  If you think such types embody your interests, you&#8217;re a sight beyond &#8220;deluded&#8221;, chief.</p>
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		<title>By: 31Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/04/25/obamas-double-standard-on-atrocities-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-169445</link>
		<dc:creator>31Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 06:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s people like you that scare the shit out of me even more than Muslim fanatics. And you&#039;ve been coming out of the woodwork since 9-11 to spew your idiotic rants about how everything America stands for is evil and everything our enemies stand for is misunderstood. 

Man-o-man, Kenneth, you have a seriously twisted grasp on reality. Move to Venezuela or anywhere outside our borders. It&#039;s obvious you hate this country and all of your hatred will never bring the justice you think it deserves. So give up. You&#039;re not going to win anything or change anything. 

Mike Blankenship
USArmy vet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s people like you that scare the shit out of me even more than Muslim fanatics. And you&#8217;ve been coming out of the woodwork since 9-11 to spew your idiotic rants about how everything America stands for is evil and everything our enemies stand for is misunderstood. </p>
<p>Man-o-man, Kenneth, you have a seriously twisted grasp on reality. Move to Venezuela or anywhere outside our borders. It&#8217;s obvious you hate this country and all of your hatred will never bring the justice you think it deserves. So give up. You&#8217;re not going to win anything or change anything. </p>
<p>Mike Blankenship<br />
USArmy vet</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/04/25/obamas-double-standard-on-atrocities-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-169409</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 22:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I condemn Hamas, the Israeli governments who financially underwrote it, the despotic Arab regimes who crush their labouring classes, their women, and their minorities, religious, sexual, and otherwise, the Islamist terrorists, and the massive infusions of pecuniary and military aid and armaments the lot of them regularly receive(d) from the West.  Content now, are we?  The key distinction, though, is this: unlike you, I don&#039;t ally myself with any state or government anywhere in the world.  I&#039;m not a partisan of anything or anyone, and I happily stand above the cesspool that is ruling class politics.  You, on the other hand, are quite happy to wear the taint of NATO and Israeli expansionism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I condemn Hamas, the Israeli governments who financially underwrote it, the despotic Arab regimes who crush their labouring classes, their women, and their minorities, religious, sexual, and otherwise, the Islamist terrorists, and the massive infusions of pecuniary and military aid and armaments the lot of them regularly receive(d) from the West.  Content now, are we?  The key distinction, though, is this: unlike you, I don&#8217;t ally myself with any state or government anywhere in the world.  I&#8217;m not a partisan of anything or anyone, and I happily stand above the cesspool that is ruling class politics.  You, on the other hand, are quite happy to wear the taint of NATO and Israeli expansionism.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim R.</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/04/25/obamas-double-standard-on-atrocities-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-169387</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 15:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenneth, Good Sir, okay I offcially condemn the deliberate and/or reckless killing of innocent civilians, any time and in any place. I condemn Sharon&#039;s role in Sabra and Shatila. I condemn the aerial assualt on Lebannon (to the extent that it recklessy killed civilians) and I similary condemn any aerial assaults on any country that recklessy kill civilians. (although keep in mind, in a war, any war, sometimes innocent people get killed) I further condemn Israel&#039;s quarentine of Gaza ( althought keep in mind the reason they had to seal it off is because of all the weapons being smuggled in from Egypt and used to attack Israel with rockets on a daily basis.) Nevertheless, I condemn it because I don&#039;t believe in collective punishment (even if it is basically done in Israel&#039;s self defense.)

OK, so now that I have condemned all those things. When are you going to start condeming the Islamo Terrorists who, not recklessly or negligently, but WILLFULLY and PURPOSEFULLY kill and maim innocent civilians on a daily basis, believing that the more innocent people they kill the higher their place in paradise. When will you condemn Hamas for WILLFULLY killing innocent women and children and who still to this day do  not recognize Israel&#039;s right to exist in ANY borders.  When will you start condeming Saudi Arabia for having legalized pedophelia in that nation? Where a 47 year old can &quot;marry&quot; an 11 year old?  When will you condemn the Taliban for killing innocent people and pushing for a law that says a women MUST have sex with her husband every four days and needs his permission to leave the house?  

By the way, I submit to you that an Arab woman, living in Israel and with Israeli citizenship has MORE RIGHTS, I repeat, MORE RIGHTS than an Arab woman living in ANY Muslim country with the possible exception of Turkey. And the same goes for gay people living in ANY muslim country.  When will you start condeming the widespread, and often brutal, oppression and persecution of women and gays in most Mulim countries?  When will you condemn the entire Arab-Leauge for supporing President Bashir of Sudan for his war crimes resulting in 400,000 innnocent pepeople being killed, raped, and tortured? He has a warrant out for his arrest by the international criminal court and yet all the Arab Muslim nations in the area have come to his defense. Do you condemn that Kenneth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenneth, Good Sir, okay I offcially condemn the deliberate and/or reckless killing of innocent civilians, any time and in any place. I condemn Sharon&#8217;s role in Sabra and Shatila. I condemn the aerial assualt on Lebannon (to the extent that it recklessy killed civilians) and I similary condemn any aerial assaults on any country that recklessy kill civilians. (although keep in mind, in a war, any war, sometimes innocent people get killed) I further condemn Israel&#8217;s quarentine of Gaza ( althought keep in mind the reason they had to seal it off is because of all the weapons being smuggled in from Egypt and used to attack Israel with rockets on a daily basis.) Nevertheless, I condemn it because I don&#8217;t believe in collective punishment (even if it is basically done in Israel&#8217;s self defense.)</p>
<p>OK, so now that I have condemned all those things. When are you going to start condeming the Islamo Terrorists who, not recklessly or negligently, but WILLFULLY and PURPOSEFULLY kill and maim innocent civilians on a daily basis, believing that the more innocent people they kill the higher their place in paradise. When will you condemn Hamas for WILLFULLY killing innocent women and children and who still to this day do  not recognize Israel&#8217;s right to exist in ANY borders.  When will you start condeming Saudi Arabia for having legalized pedophelia in that nation? Where a 47 year old can &#8220;marry&#8221; an 11 year old?  When will you condemn the Taliban for killing innocent people and pushing for a law that says a women MUST have sex with her husband every four days and needs his permission to leave the house?  </p>
<p>By the way, I submit to you that an Arab woman, living in Israel and with Israeli citizenship has MORE RIGHTS, I repeat, MORE RIGHTS than an Arab woman living in ANY Muslim country with the possible exception of Turkey. And the same goes for gay people living in ANY muslim country.  When will you start condeming the widespread, and often brutal, oppression and persecution of women and gays in most Mulim countries?  When will you condemn the entire Arab-Leauge for supporing President Bashir of Sudan for his war crimes resulting in 400,000 innnocent pepeople being killed, raped, and tortured? He has a warrant out for his arrest by the international criminal court and yet all the Arab Muslim nations in the area have come to his defense. Do you condemn that Kenneth?</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/04/25/obamas-double-standard-on-atrocities-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-169383</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 10:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, bad sir, what positive evidence have you that those tortured were &quot;hard core Islamo-terrorists&quot; (pleased to note you&#039;ve dropped the misleading and mendacious &quot;fascist&quot; designation).  Moreover, what business have you bleating on about such banal and well-known subjects as the atrocities of official enemies when you yourself refuse to condemn Israel&#039;s brutal quarantine of Gaza or its assault on Lebanon?  Where is your moral outrage over, say, Ariel Sharon&#039;s role in the Sabra and Shatila Massacre, or the brutality and indiscriminate aerial bombardment visited daily upon Iraq and Afghanistan?  Get off your high horse, son, you haven&#039;t a leg left to stand on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, bad sir, what positive evidence have you that those tortured were &#8220;hard core Islamo-terrorists&#8221; (pleased to note you&#8217;ve dropped the misleading and mendacious &#8220;fascist&#8221; designation).  Moreover, what business have you bleating on about such banal and well-known subjects as the atrocities of official enemies when you yourself refuse to condemn Israel&#8217;s brutal quarantine of Gaza or its assault on Lebanon?  Where is your moral outrage over, say, Ariel Sharon&#8217;s role in the Sabra and Shatila Massacre, or the brutality and indiscriminate aerial bombardment visited daily upon Iraq and Afghanistan?  Get off your high horse, son, you haven&#8217;t a leg left to stand on.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim R.</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/04/25/obamas-double-standard-on-atrocities-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-169349</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 14:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose everyone on here who hates Bush and who thinks he is a war criminal for torturing hard-core Islamo terrorists who chop off people&#039;s heads for fun, is also pushing for a Truth Commission in China and to bring President Hu Jintao up on charges for  his torture and murder of thousands of peaceful, innocent Fulan Gong, not to mention anyone who disagrees with the Chinease Communist Party. I suppose you are also pushing for President Fidel Castro to be arrested and tried for his role in the torture, murder and continuing imprisonment of thousands of Cubans. You are probably just as angry that the Arab nations throughout the Middle East have rallied around President Bashir of Sudan (even though he has a warrant out of his arrest by the International Criminal Court for his role in 400,000 deaths in Sudan). Apparently his Arab allies see no problem in what he did and are encouraging him to just ignore the international community. 

So you want to be outraged that President Bush committed torture upon wicked people in an (albeit ill advised) effort to protect America from future attacks? Ok, that is fair enough. I am against torture myself. But how come you are not outraged about the torture committed against truly innocent people by so many other world leaders? How come you are so selective in your righteous indignation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose everyone on here who hates Bush and who thinks he is a war criminal for torturing hard-core Islamo terrorists who chop off people&#8217;s heads for fun, is also pushing for a Truth Commission in China and to bring President Hu Jintao up on charges for  his torture and murder of thousands of peaceful, innocent Fulan Gong, not to mention anyone who disagrees with the Chinease Communist Party. I suppose you are also pushing for President Fidel Castro to be arrested and tried for his role in the torture, murder and continuing imprisonment of thousands of Cubans. You are probably just as angry that the Arab nations throughout the Middle East have rallied around President Bashir of Sudan (even though he has a warrant out of his arrest by the International Criminal Court for his role in 400,000 deaths in Sudan). Apparently his Arab allies see no problem in what he did and are encouraging him to just ignore the international community. </p>
<p>So you want to be outraged that President Bush committed torture upon wicked people in an (albeit ill advised) effort to protect America from future attacks? Ok, that is fair enough. I am against torture myself. But how come you are not outraged about the torture committed against truly innocent people by so many other world leaders? How come you are so selective in your righteous indignation?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/04/25/obamas-double-standard-on-atrocities-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-169237</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only difference I ever found between the Democratic leadership and the Republican leadership is that one of them is skinning you from the ankle up and the other, from the neck down&quot;.  Huey Long.

Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only difference I ever found between the Democratic leadership and the Republican leadership is that one of them is skinning you from the ankle up and the other, from the neck down&#8221;.  Huey Long.</p>
<p>Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/04/25/obamas-double-standard-on-atrocities-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-169229</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sven, I could see boycotting certain corporations but not a full boycott of all. The first thing to boycott should be the MSM. However, many industries that produce &quot;luxury&quot; items are simply providing a service for people who want it and can afford it. They are also providing much needed jobs as well. For instance I buy and sell guitars for a living probably only 10% of which go to working musicians for the rest it&#039;s just a hoby. However, I would not want the hard working employees of Gibson and Fender to be out of a job, possibly loose their houses etc. A free market is not the problem it&#039;s the corporatism that is. Target the corporatists and I&#039;ll be all for it.

Although I do believe that we will soon be in a position where people will only be buying essentials, if they can even get them. We will be seeing hyperinflation in around 18 months. It&#039;s inevitable, you can&#039;t &quot;print&quot; (as if the presses could keep up) the amount of money we have without it happening. We have already inflated the money supply to about double what it was a few years ago. Eventually this will double the cost of everything we buy. It could also get far worse if the rest of the world dumps the US dollar as the currency reserve.

I would suggest everyone have a plan to handle the coming economic collapse.

As for waking up the sheep a few at a time. It&#039;s the multiplication effect that has a chance. 2 times 2 times 2 times 2 eventually it could wake up the entire nation. Ron Paul woke up millions how many will they wake up if they are motivated to at least try? 

Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sven, I could see boycotting certain corporations but not a full boycott of all. The first thing to boycott should be the MSM. However, many industries that produce &#8220;luxury&#8221; items are simply providing a service for people who want it and can afford it. They are also providing much needed jobs as well. For instance I buy and sell guitars for a living probably only 10% of which go to working musicians for the rest it&#8217;s just a hoby. However, I would not want the hard working employees of Gibson and Fender to be out of a job, possibly loose their houses etc. A free market is not the problem it&#8217;s the corporatism that is. Target the corporatists and I&#8217;ll be all for it.</p>
<p>Although I do believe that we will soon be in a position where people will only be buying essentials, if they can even get them. We will be seeing hyperinflation in around 18 months. It&#8217;s inevitable, you can&#8217;t &#8220;print&#8221; (as if the presses could keep up) the amount of money we have without it happening. We have already inflated the money supply to about double what it was a few years ago. Eventually this will double the cost of everything we buy. It could also get far worse if the rest of the world dumps the US dollar as the currency reserve.</p>
<p>I would suggest everyone have a plan to handle the coming economic collapse.</p>
<p>As for waking up the sheep a few at a time. It&#8217;s the multiplication effect that has a chance. 2 times 2 times 2 times 2 eventually it could wake up the entire nation. Ron Paul woke up millions how many will they wake up if they are motivated to at least try? </p>
<p>Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You overlook the hypocrisy involved in acknowledging some genocides while ignoring certain other ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You overlook the hypocrisy involved in acknowledging some genocides while ignoring certain other ones.</p>
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		<title>By: liberranter</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knows, given the impending collapse of the dollar (with its future value ranking somewhere below Monopoly[TM] money), the currencies of Armenia and the Ukraine just might rise in stature sufficiently to enable the birth of such entities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows, given the impending collapse of the dollar (with its future value ranking somewhere below Monopoly[TM] money), the currencies of Armenia and the Ukraine just might rise in stature sufficiently to enable the birth of such entities.</p>
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