Comments on: Ron Paul, Surveillance, & the GOP http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/05/ron-paul-surveillance-the-gop/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:57:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Attack the System » Blog Archive » Updated News Digest May 10, 2009 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/05/ron-paul-surveillance-the-gop/comment-page-1/#comment-169389 Attack the System » Blog Archive » Updated News Digest May 10, 2009 Sat, 09 May 2009 19:40:55 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5596#comment-169389 [...] Ron Paul, Surveillance and the GOP by James Bovard [...] [...] Ron Paul, Surveillance and the GOP by James Bovard [...]

]]> By: Brad Smith http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/05/ron-paul-surveillance-the-gop/comment-page-1/#comment-169385 Brad Smith Sat, 09 May 2009 13:42:29 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5596#comment-169385 Thanks for the well thought out comment. I have a few points of contention. First, the Department of Education is not a good thing in any way. Forcing me to pay for public schools is bad enough but forcing me to pay for a Department that does nothing but mandate unrealistic goals is just to much. The closer you can keep the money to it's sourse the better it will be spent. My community knows best how to spend the money it recieves not some buricrat in Washingington or even at the State Capitol. Second Roe vs. Wade. I won't get into Abortion much other that to say again what Ron Paul's point of view is. He believes that it is morraly wrong but even so it is not the Federal Governments right to make law regarding this. Your defense of Roe vs Wade is actually a defense of Large Government and Federal Government control over the States. That also is a bad thing. Do you really want an all powerfull Federal Government? That is unfortunatly what you get when you allow the Feds to controll the States. "I am anti-war, I think freedoms have been infringed on" I'm glad you feel that way. However, what you fail to understand is the reason for the war and the loss of freedom, which is in a fact a direct result of an unrestrained Federal Government. The problem with many Liberals is they believe that Uncle Sam is their friend and can solve all thier problems. He isn't and he can't. Giving away yet more and more power to the Feds whether it be For Liberal Casuses or for the war machine leads to the same problem. Too much power is held in the hands of too few people. They abuse this power and always will. The unintended consequences of do gooding programs no matter how well intentioned are to vast to list. But here is a start: loss of productivity from misalocation of funds, Loss of personal property rights through the theft of taxation and inflation. Loss of freedom by the ever increasing prohibitive laws. etc, etc, etc. Peace! Thanks for the well thought out comment. I have a few points of contention. First, the Department of Education is not a good thing in any way. Forcing me to pay for public schools is bad enough but forcing me to pay for a Department that does nothing but mandate unrealistic goals is just to much. The closer you can keep the money to it’s sourse the better it will be spent. My community knows best how to spend the money it recieves not some buricrat in Washingington or even at the State Capitol.

Second Roe vs. Wade. I won’t get into Abortion much other that to say again what Ron Paul’s point of view is. He believes that it is morraly wrong but even so it is not the Federal Governments right to make law regarding this. Your defense of Roe vs Wade is actually a defense of Large Government and Federal Government control over the States. That also is a bad thing. Do you really want an all powerfull Federal Government? That is unfortunatly what you get when you allow the Feds to controll the States.

“I am anti-war, I think freedoms have been infringed on” I’m glad you feel that way. However, what you fail to understand is the reason for the war and the loss of freedom, which is in a fact a direct result of an unrestrained Federal Government.

The problem with many Liberals is they believe that Uncle Sam is their friend and can solve all thier problems. He isn’t and he can’t. Giving away yet more and more power to the Feds whether it be For Liberal Casuses or for the war machine leads to the same problem. Too much power is held in the hands of too few people. They abuse this power and always will. The unintended consequences of do gooding programs no matter how well intentioned are to vast to list. But here is a start: loss of productivity from misalocation of funds, Loss of personal property rights through the theft of taxation and inflation. Loss of freedom by the ever increasing prohibitive laws. etc, etc, etc.

Peace!

]]> By: TingTing http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/05/ron-paul-surveillance-the-gop/comment-page-1/#comment-169379 TingTing Sat, 09 May 2009 04:36:50 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5596#comment-169379 In my hunble opinon the department of education is still for the most part a good thing. I fear ppl like paul(and the majority of republicans) want to get rid of public education. I don't at all agree with overturning roe v wade as that will adversly affect poor women in the south and that is not cool. I also don't like his position on gay marriage. I know alot of you feel the above are state rights but if we had went with Paul like figures blacks wouldn't have been able to vote for a while until state demogrpahics changed. I think Paul is basically decent, better than repubs/demos, but where I disagree with him it is severe. For the record I am a liberal and I am nothing like Raimondo says. I am anti-war, I think freedoms have been infringed on and I do think grps like true liberals and libertarians need to find a middle ground but mocking liberals won't help. Guys like Chris Floyd and Chomsky stand by their guns regardless, what you ppl are thinking of are neoliberals and faux "progressives" i.e. Friedman,Obama,Stewart,Colbert,Olbermann etc. In my hunble opinon the department of education is still for the most part a good thing. I fear ppl like paul(and the majority of republicans) want to get rid of public education. I don’t at all agree with overturning roe v wade as that will adversly affect poor women in the south and that is not cool. I also don’t like his position on gay marriage. I know alot of you feel the above are state rights but if we had went with Paul like figures blacks wouldn’t have been able to vote for a while until state demogrpahics changed. I think Paul is basically decent, better than repubs/demos, but where I disagree with him it is severe. For the record I am a liberal and I am nothing like Raimondo says. I am anti-war, I think freedoms have been infringed on and I do think grps like true liberals and libertarians need to find a middle ground but mocking liberals won’t help. Guys like Chris Floyd and Chomsky stand by their guns regardless, what you ppl are thinking of are neoliberals and faux “progressives” i.e. Friedman,Obama,Stewart,Colbert,Olbermann etc.

]]> By: andy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/05/ron-paul-surveillance-the-gop/comment-page-1/#comment-169370 andy Sat, 09 May 2009 02:32:58 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5596#comment-169370 Mooser; Antiwar.com is a Libertarian anti-interventionist website. It promotes a viewpoint of the USA as having a non-interventionist foreign policy. I believe in the USA only engaging in conflict as a LAST possible resource and only when TRULY vital national interests are at stake (the war in Iraq met neither of these criteria). I would like to see foreign aid reduced or even scrapped, support ending the military-industrial complex, America abandoning its imperial pretensions and a strictly limited federal government where the constitution is respected and adhered to. Currently I feel these views are best expressed by Ron Paul to whom you have made vague, ambiguous and disdainful comments. Now if you want to provide legitimate commentary or provoke meaningful thought or debate welcome aboard. But if you've come here just to be a DICK, we already have Tim R. for that. Mooser; Antiwar.com is a Libertarian anti-interventionist website. It promotes a viewpoint of the USA as having a non-interventionist foreign policy. I believe in the USA only engaging in conflict as a LAST possible resource and only when TRULY vital national interests are at stake (the war in Iraq met neither of these criteria). I would like to see foreign aid reduced or even scrapped, support ending the military-industrial complex, America abandoning its imperial pretensions and a strictly limited federal government where the constitution is respected and adhered to. Currently I feel these views are best expressed by Ron Paul to whom you have made vague, ambiguous and disdainful comments. Now if you want to provide legitimate commentary or provoke meaningful thought or debate welcome aboard. But if you’ve come here just to be a DICK, we already have Tim R. for that.

]]> By: alpowolf http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/05/ron-paul-surveillance-the-gop/comment-page-1/#comment-169362 alpowolf Fri, 08 May 2009 21:26:29 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5596#comment-169362 That isn't "numbers", it's gibberish. That isn’t “numbers”, it’s gibberish.

]]> By: alpowolf http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/05/ron-paul-surveillance-the-gop/comment-page-1/#comment-169361 alpowolf Fri, 08 May 2009 21:24:53 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5596#comment-169361 You want to talk about utopia? Utopia is believing that Big Government can solve all of your problems. You want to talk about utopia? Utopia is believing that Big Government can solve all of your problems.

]]> By: Chris http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/05/ron-paul-surveillance-the-gop/comment-page-1/#comment-169357 Chris Fri, 08 May 2009 16:23:20 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5596#comment-169357 Mooser will trash Israel all day long, then trash Ron Paul as being a stinker in the next breath. That's blind partisan idiocy for you folks! What a moron. Mooser will trash Israel all day long, then trash Ron Paul as being a stinker in the next breath.

That’s blind partisan idiocy for you folks!

What a moron.

]]> By: Chris http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/05/ron-paul-surveillance-the-gop/comment-page-1/#comment-169356 Chris Fri, 08 May 2009 16:22:05 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5596#comment-169356 Hey Mooser, how about that Israel? And it's partisan morons like you, Mooser, who will always prevent any sort of "left/right" alliance that Glenn and Phil talk about. People like you who are too stupid to think for themselves and have to make everything a partisan issue, even though Ron Paul was one of five people in the house to vote against our cheerleading of the Gaza slaughter. Like I said Mooser, you're pathetic. Hey Mooser, how about that Israel?

And it’s partisan morons like you, Mooser, who will always prevent any sort of “left/right” alliance that Glenn and Phil talk about. People like you who are too stupid to think for themselves and have to make everything a partisan issue, even though Ron Paul was one of five people in the house to vote against our cheerleading of the Gaza slaughter.

Like I said Mooser, you’re pathetic.

]]> By: Chris http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/05/ron-paul-surveillance-the-gop/comment-page-1/#comment-169355 Chris Fri, 08 May 2009 16:19:42 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5596#comment-169355 Why don't you asker Mooser what he thinks of Israel and then compare that to Ron Paul. Mooser is nothing but an idiot partisan troll. Don't expect him to do other than agree with others or point to things others have said because he can't think for himself unless it involves making fun of his fellow Jews. Why don’t you asker Mooser what he thinks of Israel and then compare that to Ron Paul. Mooser is nothing but an idiot partisan troll.

Don’t expect him to do other than agree with others or point to things others have said because he can’t think for himself unless it involves making fun of his fellow Jews.

]]> By: Brad Smith http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/05/ron-paul-surveillance-the-gop/comment-page-1/#comment-169337 Brad Smith Fri, 08 May 2009 06:57:46 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5596#comment-169337 That's about it. Thanks for the chuckle. However, I would get more of a kick out of it if it wasn't so true. Peace! That’s about it. Thanks for the chuckle. However, I would get more of a kick out of it if it wasn’t so true.

Peace!

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