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		<title>By: lacoste</title>
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		<dc:creator>lacoste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bryant</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/22/face-it-progs-obamas-a-dud/comment-page-1/#comment-171007</link>
		<dc:creator>bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too true, Jag Pop.  The &quot;small number&quot; arguers seem to think that they&#039;ll never actually be one of the affected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too true, Jag Pop.  The &#8220;small number&#8221; arguers seem to think that they&#8217;ll never actually be one of the affected.</p>
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		<title>By: bryant</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/22/face-it-progs-obamas-a-dud/comment-page-1/#comment-171006</link>
		<dc:creator>bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you realize he is a puppet, why the &quot;four years&quot; comment?  There will be other puppets after him; so long as the master believes they are useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you realize he is a puppet, why the &#8220;four years&#8221; comment?  There will be other puppets after him; so long as the master believes they are useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Marion Braidfute</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/22/face-it-progs-obamas-a-dud/comment-page-1/#comment-170672</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Marion Braidfute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;To advocate for human rights, peace, and social justice while ignoring their necessary ecological basis --â€” a stable human population â€“ at, or slightly less than â€“ the eco-systems long term carrying capacity --- is intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy&lt;/i&gt;.

FYI: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://crimeninuria.blogspot.com/2009/06/nobel-institute-norwegian-nobel.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Official Legal and Political Complaint to Nobel Institute: Norwegian Nobel Committee&lt;/a&gt; (excerpt):

Dear Norwegian Nobel Committee,

Notice of Legal and Political Request to: 

&lt;b&gt;(I) Withdraw Nobel Peace Prizeâ€™s from Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, for (a) Intellectual Dishonesty &amp; Hypocrisy; (b) Moral, Political and Religious Prostitution; and (c) â€˜TRC-RSAâ€™ Fraud and Betrayal; and 

(II) Accept Nobel Peace Prize Nominations for Dr. Albert Bartlett; Dr. Garret James Harden, and Dr. M. King Hubbert, for Intellectually Honest and Politically Honourable Ecologically Sustainable, Human Rights, Peace and Social Justice Advocacy.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>To advocate for human rights, peace, and social justice while ignoring their necessary ecological basis &#8211;â€” a stable human population â€“ at, or slightly less than â€“ the eco-systems long term carrying capacity &#8212; is intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy</i>.</p>
<p>FYI: </p>
<p><a href="http://crimeninuria.blogspot.com/2009/06/nobel-institute-norwegian-nobel.html" rel="nofollow">Official Legal and Political Complaint to Nobel Institute: Norwegian Nobel Committee</a> (excerpt):</p>
<p>Dear Norwegian Nobel Committee,</p>
<p>Notice of Legal and Political Request to: </p>
<p><b>(I) Withdraw Nobel Peace Prizeâ€™s from Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, for (a) Intellectual Dishonesty &amp; Hypocrisy; (b) Moral, Political and Religious Prostitution; and (c) â€˜TRC-RSAâ€™ Fraud and Betrayal; and </p>
<p>(II) Accept Nobel Peace Prize Nominations for Dr. Albert Bartlett; Dr. Garret James Harden, and Dr. M. King Hubbert, for Intellectually Honest and Politically Honourable Ecologically Sustainable, Human Rights, Peace and Social Justice Advocacy.</b></p>
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		<title>By: MoT</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/22/face-it-progs-obamas-a-dud/comment-page-1/#comment-170256</link>
		<dc:creator>MoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely you meant this tongue in cheek.  C&#039;mon... fess up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely you meant this tongue in cheek.  C&#8217;mon&#8230; fess up!</p>
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		<title>By: MoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t blame me.  I didn&#039;t vote at all.  Why bother choosing between boot-in-the-face Totalitarianism or Have-a-nice-day Socialism (I forget which starts and the other begins because they&#039;re one &amp; the same) with a side order of knife-in-the-back false promises... i.e. LIES.  The fact that anyone believes anything from these liars, and fellow aparatchiks who participate in their own serfdom, is proof that most people are just out and out stupid.  Carry on believing that the next staged election &quot;cycle&quot; will change things.  It won&#039;t!  The phony debates and hand wringing will continue until the bank is run dry and you&#039;re all baying at the moon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t blame me.  I didn&#8217;t vote at all.  Why bother choosing between boot-in-the-face Totalitarianism or Have-a-nice-day Socialism (I forget which starts and the other begins because they&#8217;re one &amp; the same) with a side order of knife-in-the-back false promises&#8230; i.e. LIES.  The fact that anyone believes anything from these liars, and fellow aparatchiks who participate in their own serfdom, is proof that most people are just out and out stupid.  Carry on believing that the next staged election &#8220;cycle&#8221; will change things.  It won&#8217;t!  The phony debates and hand wringing will continue until the bank is run dry and you&#8217;re all baying at the moon!</p>
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		<title>By: MoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree but the republic was &quot;over&quot; before him, before Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr. etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum and on and on and on.  Long before most of us were born.  Any residual echoes you may hear from its long dead heartbeat are fading quickly and are merely a powerless reminder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree but the republic was &#8220;over&#8221; before him, before Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr. etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum and on and on and on.  Long before most of us were born.  Any residual echoes you may hear from its long dead heartbeat are fading quickly and are merely a powerless reminder.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 18:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quote I found that is appropriate - - -

&quot;Never give to your friend any power that your enemy may some day inherit.&quot; - Paul Weyrich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quote I found that is appropriate &#8211; - -</p>
<p>&#8220;Never give to your friend any power that your enemy may some day inherit.&#8221; &#8211; Paul Weyrich</p>
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		<title>By: Obamas Change oder &#34;Der Wolf im Schafspelz&#34; ? - Seite 46</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obamas Change oder &#34;Der Wolf im Schafspelz&#34; ? - Seite 46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Anklage, ohne Möglichkeit zur Verteidigung; und das auf Dauer, zum Beispiel für zehn Jahre, siehe MSNBC-Video, acht Minuten. Quelle: Konzentrationslager    Hier das Video [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ball</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/22/face-it-progs-obamas-a-dud/comment-page-1/#comment-170139</link>
		<dc:creator>Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dud?! He&#039;s a PHENOMENAL SUCCESS to those who put him in power!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dud?! He&#8217;s a PHENOMENAL SUCCESS to those who put him in power!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The treatment of Howard Dean clearly illustrates how this went down.  Obama sought out anti-establishment Democrats to support his candidacy.  Dean, who brought millions of anti-establishment Democrats into the party and to the polls in 2006 also worked very hard to get Obama in the White House after the convention.  And was cast aside.

Why was he cast aside? Because, in part, Obama is an establishment Democrat.  Obama took about a third more in defense contractor campaign contributions than McCain did.  Obama loves the war, the detention camps, the invasions of civil liberties, but is clever enough not to speak openly about it all the time.  Obama wants to protect big government power.  So an anti-establishment Democrat like Dean had no place in Obama&#039;s administration.

The other part is that Obama presumably believes that as incumbent in 2012 he&#039;ll have an easier time of re-election.  That would only be true if there is not a candidate in the primaries against him with the support that Kennedy had going up against Carter in 1980.  I think Dennis Kucinich or Howard Dean could be such a candidate, but if anti-establishment and anti-war Democrats want such a candidate to be effective in 2012, the time to start focusing on one and building him up is now.

For Republicans, libertarians, Boston Tea Party-goers and the like it would be wise to also focus on candidates who are anti-war and anti-big-government to appeal to the betrayed anti-establishment voters.  If an anti-establishment coalition got behind a candidate who was truly anti-war, that might be wise.

Incumbents do have an easier time, but this incumbent has major problems.  Millions of Americans are out of work and millions more have been forced to work part time, sometimes for the same employer.  Major industries are cratering and reorganising.  The economy is not likely to support the idea of a re-election strategy.  And Obama seems determined to provoke more atrocities abroad and at home with his foreign and domestic policies of intervention and aggression.  Look for new attacks on the second amendment, as well as these perfidious attacks on the rest of the bill of rights.

Personally, I&#039;m not convinced that electoral politics, which is the source of so many of our problems, is going to solve them.  But I do think it is important to network with people who care about ending the wars, both domestic wars against drugs and terror and foreign wars.  Wouldn&#039;t it be nice to end WW2 and bring the troops home from Germany and Japan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The treatment of Howard Dean clearly illustrates how this went down.  Obama sought out anti-establishment Democrats to support his candidacy.  Dean, who brought millions of anti-establishment Democrats into the party and to the polls in 2006 also worked very hard to get Obama in the White House after the convention.  And was cast aside.</p>
<p>Why was he cast aside? Because, in part, Obama is an establishment Democrat.  Obama took about a third more in defense contractor campaign contributions than McCain did.  Obama loves the war, the detention camps, the invasions of civil liberties, but is clever enough not to speak openly about it all the time.  Obama wants to protect big government power.  So an anti-establishment Democrat like Dean had no place in Obama&#8217;s administration.</p>
<p>The other part is that Obama presumably believes that as incumbent in 2012 he&#8217;ll have an easier time of re-election.  That would only be true if there is not a candidate in the primaries against him with the support that Kennedy had going up against Carter in 1980.  I think Dennis Kucinich or Howard Dean could be such a candidate, but if anti-establishment and anti-war Democrats want such a candidate to be effective in 2012, the time to start focusing on one and building him up is now.</p>
<p>For Republicans, libertarians, Boston Tea Party-goers and the like it would be wise to also focus on candidates who are anti-war and anti-big-government to appeal to the betrayed anti-establishment voters.  If an anti-establishment coalition got behind a candidate who was truly anti-war, that might be wise.</p>
<p>Incumbents do have an easier time, but this incumbent has major problems.  Millions of Americans are out of work and millions more have been forced to work part time, sometimes for the same employer.  Major industries are cratering and reorganising.  The economy is not likely to support the idea of a re-election strategy.  And Obama seems determined to provoke more atrocities abroad and at home with his foreign and domestic policies of intervention and aggression.  Look for new attacks on the second amendment, as well as these perfidious attacks on the rest of the bill of rights.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m not convinced that electoral politics, which is the source of so many of our problems, is going to solve them.  But I do think it is important to network with people who care about ending the wars, both domestic wars against drugs and terror and foreign wars.  Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice to end WW2 and bring the troops home from Germany and Japan?</p>
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		<title>By: acudoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>acudoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well stated!

In my opinion, all the present excesses in the economy, all of our wars, all of the assaults on personal liberty, all of the myriad social programs creating a grotesque dependency of the citizenry of the United States on government largesse, are directly linked to a kind of state-worship of central government power conditioned by propaganda in public schools and media, and such power is directly enabled and supported by a central banking cartel that has absolute control over a fiat paper money system that creates money only by monetizing the debt of individuals and productive enterprises in the United States, and indeed throughout the world. We are mired in debt, and hence we have become serfs.

When you see this fact clearly, all but a few of our politicians are revealed for the buffoons that they are...and the bankers for craven parasites. I hate to be so negative but I am forced to this conclusion by the simple act of stepping outside the matrix after 911.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well stated!</p>
<p>In my opinion, all the present excesses in the economy, all of our wars, all of the assaults on personal liberty, all of the myriad social programs creating a grotesque dependency of the citizenry of the United States on government largesse, are directly linked to a kind of state-worship of central government power conditioned by propaganda in public schools and media, and such power is directly enabled and supported by a central banking cartel that has absolute control over a fiat paper money system that creates money only by monetizing the debt of individuals and productive enterprises in the United States, and indeed throughout the world. We are mired in debt, and hence we have become serfs.</p>
<p>When you see this fact clearly, all but a few of our politicians are revealed for the buffoons that they are&#8230;and the bankers for craven parasites. I hate to be so negative but I am forced to this conclusion by the simple act of stepping outside the matrix after 911.</p>
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