Comments on: Did Ahmadinejad Win Fair & Square – and Cheat, Too? http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/15/did-ahmadinejad-win-fair-square-%e2%80%93-and-cheat-too/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:24:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dar http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/15/did-ahmadinejad-win-fair-square-%e2%80%93-and-cheat-too/comment-page-1/#comment-171181 Dar Sun, 21 Jun 2009 04:25:06 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5775#comment-171181 Although I respect Prof.Juan Cole greatly for his historical knowledge, he does seem to be one of those who supports, atleast non-violently, imposing Western democracy and values onto the Middle East, even if it can't be a neat fit. He also seems to be starry-eyed towards Obama, as shown in his apperance on Democracy Now after Obama's Cairo speech. Although I respect Prof.Juan Cole greatly for his historical knowledge, he does seem to be one of those who supports, atleast non-violently, imposing Western democracy and values onto the Middle East, even if it can’t be a neat fit.

He also seems to be starry-eyed towards Obama, as shown in his apperance on Democracy Now after Obama’s Cairo speech.

]]> By: Brad Smith http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/15/did-ahmadinejad-win-fair-square-%e2%80%93-and-cheat-too/comment-page-1/#comment-171053 Brad Smith Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:34:50 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5775#comment-171053 That's about it Obama Kool aid Drinker. I doubt he will ever listen but I like these quotes anyway, so here goes. "The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine "The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell." -- Karl Popper "The trade-off between freedom and security, so often proposed so seductively, very often leads to the loss of both." -- Christopher Hitchens Peace! That’s about it Obama Kool aid Drinker. I doubt he will ever listen but I like these quotes anyway, so here goes.

“The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes.” — Thomas Paine

“The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell.” — Karl Popper

“The trade-off between freedom and security, so often proposed so seductively, very often leads to the loss of both.” — Christopher Hitchens

Peace!

]]> By: Ali http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/15/did-ahmadinejad-win-fair-square-%e2%80%93-and-cheat-too/comment-page-1/#comment-171040 Ali Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:15:35 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5775#comment-171040 . . .
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]]> By: Obama Kool Aid Drinker http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/15/did-ahmadinejad-win-fair-square-%e2%80%93-and-cheat-too/comment-page-1/#comment-171039 Obama Kool Aid Drinker Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:50:22 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5775#comment-171039 <i>We are leading the world in human rights? Are you nuts? We have the most people both per capita and overall in prison. We have bombed so many people it’s off the chart. Free speech zones, torture, no right to counsel etc. You must be living in another country than me. Or you have one hell of a set of blinders on."</i> (Puts hands over ears) LALALALALALALALALALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! We are leading the world in human rights? Are you nuts? We have the most people both per capita and overall in prison. We have bombed so many people it’s off the chart. Free speech zones, torture, no right to counsel etc. You must be living in another country than me. Or you have one hell of a set of blinders on.”

(Puts hands over ears)

LALALALALALALALALALALALA! I CAN’T HEAR YOU!

]]> By: Brad Smith http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/15/did-ahmadinejad-win-fair-square-%e2%80%93-and-cheat-too/comment-page-1/#comment-171027 Brad Smith Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:30:55 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5775#comment-171027 Again you say war is bad unless we do it. Your a joke. "The us do not have permanent enemies" again you must be joking. I learned how bad war is and how people don't forgive. If you think that most people would forgive someone for killing their wife and children your wrong. That is how you make permanent enemies. Have you ever heard of blowback? I don't have any problem with the nations I attacked, my problem is with the sick demented people who ordered the attacks that caused the death and destuction of both my friends and the so called enemy. You obviously do not have a clue and probably never will. I do hope you never have to live under the fear that comes from the bombings the US brings. However, that is most likely the only thing that would ever change your mind. The biggest shame is that we have created sheeple like you. Brainwashing is a truly subtle art. But I doubt it took to much work or magic to convince you. I tried to deprogram you but it is not likely to work. However, keep posting at least you give us someone to laugh at. Peace! Again you say war is bad unless we do it. Your a joke.

“The us do not have permanent enemies” again you must be joking.

I learned how bad war is and how people don’t forgive. If you think that most people would forgive someone for killing their wife and children your wrong. That is how you make permanent enemies. Have you ever heard of blowback?

I don’t have any problem with the nations I attacked, my problem is with the sick demented people who ordered the attacks that caused the death and destuction of both my friends and the so called enemy.

You obviously do not have a clue and probably never will. I do hope you never have to live under the fear that comes from the bombings the US brings. However, that is most likely the only thing that would ever change your mind.

The biggest shame is that we have created sheeple like you. Brainwashing is a truly subtle art. But I doubt it took to much work or magic to convince you. I tried to deprogram you but it is not likely to work. However, keep posting at least you give us someone to laugh at.

Peace!

]]> By: Abel Arce http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/15/did-ahmadinejad-win-fair-square-%e2%80%93-and-cheat-too/comment-page-1/#comment-171024 Abel Arce Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:47:03 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5775#comment-171024 to andy, brad etal Guys, seems to me you guys are living in lala land. andi, the weapons of mass destruction were believed to be there and not only us but the whole coalition of the willing. Not a descicsion to be taken ligthly. In the 80 the osirak nuclear plant was obliterated by Israel. Would have been more trouble to (but not impossible) to get rid of that bad guy later on. He did not care about his people, but for himself. Security says not good if you have the nuke or ability to produce one and keep threatening other nations.(seems like the tyranical mulocracy in iran is following the same steps, don't you think?)Andi, your remark about Irael is very antisemitic. seems to me that you blame these problems in the ME to the israelis. What a shame. they are our only allies in that part of the world. To brad, being an exsoldier, i would have expected more respect for your fellow warriors in the field,being killed and maimed by the very same enemies you seem to support. Sorry, reality is hard. i do not believe that you are that peaceful after all. You believe in people that murder first and do not forgive or forget. The us do not have permanent enemies. the problem with the ME is that people do not forgive one another and keep talking about stuff that happened many years ago. let it go. look at what a future can bring for ALL the people that you are trying to defend. Palestinians, iraneans, iraquis, kurds, all learn to forgive and forget. Their leaders and only those leaders were the cause of all that missery. The pride will only bring more of the same. Move on. Be happy. Andi, brad think about it. Sayonara... to andy, brad etal
Guys, seems to me you guys are living in lala land. andi, the weapons of mass destruction were believed to be there and not only us but the whole coalition of the willing. Not a descicsion to be taken ligthly. In the 80 the osirak nuclear plant was obliterated by Israel. Would have been more trouble to (but not impossible) to get rid of that bad guy later on. He did not care about his people, but for himself. Security says not good if you have the nuke or ability to produce one and keep threatening other nations.(seems like the tyranical mulocracy in iran is following the same steps, don’t you think?)Andi, your remark about Irael is very antisemitic. seems to me that you blame these problems in the ME to the israelis. What a shame. they are our only allies in that part of the world. To brad, being an exsoldier, i would have expected more respect for your fellow warriors in the field,being killed and maimed by the very same enemies you seem to support. Sorry, reality is hard. i do not believe that you are that peaceful after all. You believe in people that murder first and do not forgive or forget. The us do not have permanent enemies. the problem with the ME is that people do not forgive one another and keep talking about stuff that happened many years ago. let it go. look at what a future can bring for ALL the people that you are trying to defend. Palestinians, iraneans, iraquis, kurds, all learn to forgive and forget. Their leaders and only those leaders were the cause of all that missery. The pride will only bring more of the same. Move on. Be happy.
Andi, brad think about it. Sayonara…

]]> By: Brad Smith http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/15/did-ahmadinejad-win-fair-square-%e2%80%93-and-cheat-too/comment-page-1/#comment-171013 Brad Smith Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:29:13 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5775#comment-171013 Great link dieselm, Ahmadinejad doesn't look very unpopular at all and what no free speech zones? I can't imagine any of our presidents riding around in huge crouds out in the open like that. Peace! Great link dieselm, Ahmadinejad doesn’t look very unpopular at all and what no free speech zones? I can’t imagine any of our presidents riding around in huge crouds out in the open like that.

Peace!

]]> By: Brad Smith http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/15/did-ahmadinejad-win-fair-square-%e2%80%93-and-cheat-too/comment-page-1/#comment-171012 Brad Smith Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:06:48 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5775#comment-171012 Andy you wrote "The war in Iraq has been a disaster. I don’t see how any intelligent person could say otherwise". I agree, but just think how intelligent the average person is and then realize that 49% of the people are not as intelligent as them! Peace! Andy you wrote “The war in Iraq has been a disaster. I don’t see how any intelligent person could say otherwise”. I agree, but just think how intelligent the average person is and then realize that 49% of the people are not as intelligent as them!

Peace!

]]> By: Brad Smith http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/15/did-ahmadinejad-win-fair-square-%e2%80%93-and-cheat-too/comment-page-1/#comment-171011 Brad Smith Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:50:24 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5775#comment-171011 You do realize that your talking out of both sides of your face. No war, well may be this one is OK. War is bad but it's neccessary etc. etc. You really are funny you know that? Saddam was our man don't you get that? We wound him up and let him go. The Shah was our man same thing. Norieaga same thing. None of this has been about democracy or freedom or liberty. That's a Red Herring and I suspect you know it (well may be not). You say intervention is good just start with your pen. Why, so we give weight to the next intervention and the next and the next which all leads to more war and repression? We are leading the world in human rights? Are you nuts? We have the most people both per capita and overall in prison. We have bombed so many people it's off the chart. Free speech zones, torture, no right to counsel etc. You must be living in another country than me. Or you have one hell of a set of blinders on. "Now, about hatred looks I never experienced that". Of course not (chickenhawks never do) and you don't even have a clue what I was writting about. I have been deployed for combat twice and I can tell you that the Hatred in their eyes is not based on the color of my skin but based on what we did. You don't win hearts and minds by bombing people. You don't make your own country any safer by making enemies either. I'll second Andy who says "Its sad how many Americans think the way you do". You sound like someone out of 1984. Doublespeek and Doublethink. Why is it that so many sheeple think they have some kind of unique point of view when they are just repeating the party line? Peace! You do realize that your talking out of both sides of your face. No war, well may be this one is OK. War is bad but it’s neccessary etc. etc. You really are funny you know that?

Saddam was our man don’t you get that? We wound him up and let him go. The Shah was our man same thing. Norieaga same thing. None of this has been about democracy or freedom or liberty. That’s a Red Herring and I suspect you know it (well may be not). You say intervention is good just start with your pen. Why, so we give weight to the next intervention and the next and the next which all leads to more war and repression?

We are leading the world in human rights? Are you nuts? We have the most people both per capita and overall in prison. We have bombed so many people it’s off the chart. Free speech zones, torture, no right to counsel etc. You must be living in another country than me. Or you have one hell of a set of blinders on.

“Now, about hatred looks I never experienced that”. Of course not (chickenhawks never do) and you don’t even have a clue what I was writting about. I have been deployed for combat twice and I can tell you that the Hatred in their eyes is not based on the color of my skin but based on what we did. You don’t win hearts and minds by bombing people. You don’t make your own country any safer by making enemies either.

I’ll second Andy who says “Its sad how many Americans think the way you do”. You sound like someone out of 1984. Doublespeek and Doublethink.

Why is it that so many sheeple think they have some kind of unique point of view when they are just repeating the party line?

Peace!

]]> By: Andy http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/15/did-ahmadinejad-win-fair-square-%e2%80%93-and-cheat-too/comment-page-1/#comment-171010 Andy Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:31:54 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5775#comment-171010 Where were the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? You know, the alleged REASON for the war? The Iraqi people didn't ask to be "liberated" by Americans. In truth the war was fought largely because of the neocon agenda which is Israel-centric at heart. The war in Iraq has been a disaster. I don't see how any intelligent person could say otherwise. Everything else you say is just vapid drivel. Where were the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? You know, the alleged REASON for the war? The Iraqi people didn’t ask to be “liberated” by Americans. In truth the war was fought largely because of the neocon agenda which is Israel-centric at heart. The war in Iraq has been a disaster. I don’t see how any intelligent person could say otherwise. Everything else you say is just vapid drivel.

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