Comments on: Guarding the Surge Narrative While Iraq Burns http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/25/guarding-the-surge-narrative-while-iraq-burns/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:25:33 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: lacoste http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/25/guarding-the-surge-narrative-while-iraq-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-179056 lacoste Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:49:37 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5829#comment-179056 <a href="http://www.suprafirst.com/" target="_blank">Supra Shoes online</a> __<a href="http://www.suprafirst.com/" target="_blank">Buy Supra Shoes</a>__<a href="http://www.suprafirst.com/mans-supra-cruizer-shoes-c-19.html" target="_blank">Supra Cruizer on Sale</a> __ Supra Shoes online __Buy Supra Shoes__Supra Cruizer on Sale __

]]> By: Martin http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/25/guarding-the-surge-narrative-while-iraq-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-171718 Martin Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:31:07 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5829#comment-171718 It confuses me how the term "Liberal" can support abortion, same sex marriage, and anti-gun, but cannot comprehend "liberation". You have a dictator like Hussein turning his own country into a blood bath of his own people and an out side source says enough is enough and liberates the country from these internal atrocities. They then stay behind to make sure their efforts are not undone by a group of Iraqi extremists. How can one not appreciate the end of a genocide yet will stand on a corner and go fanatic about saving a bunch of freaking whales! So what if we said there were WMD in Iraq. Would it have been more acceptable to say "Hey people there are hundreds of thousands dying in Iraq and I think we should help them" Would you accept the war any better? No you would not. You base this war on how we lied to get into it yet you will not sit back and look at yourselves and wonder if your actions do not lead a country to deception for a common good. You liberals are trying to over throw our government of most of our liberties and morals. You have become a national enemy of the people who honor our constitution. From an outside point of view you appear almost as terrorist as the ones in the middle east. I am a Vietnam veteran who did not ask to go, did not like being there, and prayed every day for peace but I never turned on my country or asked why. I was a soldier representing my country. You people asked us to get out of Vietnam and we did, what happened? The country fell into the north's hands and thousands died for being American supporters. 54,000 American deaths and they got the country anyways. Is that how Iraq is suppose to end? Until you can appreciate the word Liberation do not baffle me with your liberal BS. You are a contradiction to your own ideologys. It confuses me how the term "Liberal" can support abortion, same sex marriage, and anti-gun, but cannot comprehend "liberation". You have a dictator like Hussein turning his own country into a blood bath of his own people and an out side source says enough is enough and liberates the country from these internal atrocities. They then stay behind to make sure their efforts are not undone by a group of Iraqi extremists. How can one not appreciate the end of a genocide yet will stand on a corner and go fanatic about saving a bunch of freaking whales! So what if we said there were WMD in Iraq. Would it have been more acceptable to say "Hey people there are hundreds of thousands dying in Iraq and I think we should help them" Would you accept the war any better? No you would not. You base this war on how we lied to get into it yet you will not sit back and look at yourselves and wonder if your actions do not lead a country to deception for a common good. You liberals are trying to over throw our government of most of our liberties and morals. You have become a national enemy of the people who honor our constitution. From an outside point of view you appear almost as terrorist as the ones in the middle east. I am a Vietnam veteran who did not ask to go, did not like being there, and prayed every day for peace but I never turned on my country or asked why. I was a soldier representing my country. You people asked us to get out of Vietnam and we did, what happened? The country fell into the north's hands and thousands died for being American supporters. 54,000 American deaths and they got the country anyways. Is that how Iraq is suppose to end? Until you can appreciate the word Liberation do not baffle me with your liberal BS. You are a contradiction to your own ideologys.

]]> By: Cous Cous http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/25/guarding-the-surge-narrative-while-iraq-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-171382 Cous Cous Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:14:53 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5829#comment-171382 broken link - <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2005/10/02/us_car_theft_rings_probed_for_ties_to_iraq_bombings/" target="_blank">http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2005/10...</a> broken link – http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2005/10...

]]> By: Cous Cous http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/25/guarding-the-surge-narrative-while-iraq-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-171381 Cous Cous Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:12:47 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5829#comment-171381 Though this site has spent the last five years desperately pretending otherwise, the ‘sectarian violence’ isn’t a naturally occurring phenomenon that America is trying to prevent. The Iraqi’s are heavily intermarried and have never had a civil war, ‘sectarian’ or otherwise, before. The ‘sectarian violence’ only began when America realized the resistance wasn’t ending when Saddam was captured. The inexplicably senseless attacks on Iraqi civilians have been widely blamed on the occupation. The purpose of the renewed bombings is to convince the Iraqis that they can’t survive without their colonial overlords. In reality, the opposite is true: the ‘sectarian violence’ will never cease until they leave since they are the entity responsible for it. The mention of Algeria, reminds me that <a href="" target="_blank">the French Army used car bombs in an attempt to get the civilians to turn on the guerrillas. Plus ça change!<a> <i>The FBI's counterterrorism unit has launched a broad investigation of US-based theft rings after discovering that some of the vehicles used in deadly car bombings in Iraq, including attacks that killed US troops and Iraqi civilians, were probably stolen in the United States, according to senior government officials.</i> </a></a> Though this site has spent the last five years desperately pretending otherwise, the ‘sectarian violence’ isn’t a naturally occurring phenomenon that America is trying to prevent. The Iraqi’s are heavily intermarried and have never had a civil war, ‘sectarian’ or otherwise, before. The ‘sectarian violence’ only began when America realized the resistance wasn’t ending when Saddam was captured. The inexplicably senseless attacks on Iraqi civilians have been widely blamed on the occupation.

The purpose of the renewed bombings is to convince the Iraqis that they can’t survive without their colonial overlords. In reality, the opposite is true: the ‘sectarian violence’ will never cease until they leave since they are the entity responsible for it.

The mention of Algeria, reminds me that the French Army used car bombs in an attempt to get the civilians to turn on the guerrillas. Plus ça change!<a>

The FBI's counterterrorism unit has launched a broad investigation of US-based theft rings after discovering that some of the vehicles used in deadly car bombings in Iraq, including attacks that killed US troops and Iraqi civilians, were probably stolen in the United States, according to senior government officials.

]]> By: Mr. DK http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/25/guarding-the-surge-narrative-while-iraq-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-171342 Mr. DK Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:30:35 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5829#comment-171342 All this talk of Al Qaida "remnants" reminds me of Rumsfeld circa 2003 speaking of Baathist "remnants." Sigh ,same shit different day. The surge reminds me so much of the movie "The Battle of Algiers" where a French paratroop unit seemingly secures Algiers, only to have their security completely fall apart only a few years later. All this talk of Al Qaida "remnants" reminds me of Rumsfeld circa 2003 speaking of Baathist "remnants." Sigh ,same shit different day. The surge reminds me so much of the movie "The Battle of Algiers" where a French paratroop unit seemingly secures Algiers, only to have their security completely fall apart only a few years later.

]]> By: Bruce G. Richardson http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/25/guarding-the-surge-narrative-while-iraq-burns/comment-page-1/#comment-171329 Bruce G. Richardson Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:47:33 +0000 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/?p=5829#comment-171329 The real puzzle here is why any citizen accepts the government's accounting or rendition of what constitutes success. Each and every statement or comment emanating from "official sources" amounts to nothing more than a politically-expedient calculation. Were the American people not so realism-averse, they might understand that the perception of what their government does as opposed to what they actually do, constitutes one of the most successful propaganda operations in recorded history. Joseph Goebbels would be proud. Bruce Richardson The real puzzle here is why any citizen accepts the government's accounting or rendition of what constitutes success. Each and every statement or comment emanating from "official sources" amounts to nothing more than a politically-expedient calculation.

Were the American people not so realism-averse, they might understand that the perception of what their government does as opposed to what they actually do, constitutes one of the most successful propaganda operations in recorded history. Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

Bruce Richardson

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