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		<title>By: Stoli</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/07/01/flashback-honduras-may-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-171536</link>
		<dc:creator>Stoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBC is garbage. It&#039;s like the Voice of America minus credibility. In case you didn&#039;t notice, that was sarcasm. :) 
 
So, some foreign dump broadcasts government propaganda 24/7, huh? I guess someone never had a chance to tune in to Fox News any time between 2001 and 2009. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBC is garbage. It&#039;s like the Voice of America minus credibility. In case you didn&#039;t notice, that was sarcasm. :) </p>
<p>So, some foreign dump broadcasts government propaganda 24/7, huh? I guess someone never had a chance to tune in to Fox News any time between 2001 and 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Barganier</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/07/01/flashback-honduras-may-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-171479</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Barganier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DailySketch: The only media outlet I consider &quot;fair and balanced&quot; is Fox News. But yes, what IS all this about the BBC? I merely made a snarky quip about them and quoted a report. You and ghn are the ones who think my post was all about the BBC. OK, fine, they&#039;re part of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy to subvert the workers&#039; paradises of Latin America. And I&#039;m sure their coverage of Israel is relevant here too, somehow. But I&#039;ll ask you like I asked ghn: What parts of that BBC report are incorrect? I refer you to the Reporters Without Borders and Committee to Protect Journalists links I posted above.

Also, just curious: since the U.S. and UK governments are both calling for Zelaya&#039;s reinstatement, and the BBC &quot;broadcasts UK/US/Israeli government propaganda 24 hours a day,&quot; how&#039;s that shaping the BBC&#039;s current &quot;propaganda&quot;? I&#039;d hate to be fooled again.

&lt;em&gt;You also stated in a previous piece that you have linked to above &quot;I’m less interested in the specifics of the Honduras case&quot;.&lt;/em&gt;

Ah, the partial quotation. Nice trick. No, I said, &quot;Just so there’s no confusion, I’m less interested in the specifics of the Honduras case than in the general issue of the &#039;cult of the presidency.&#039;” The Honduras case got me to thinking about broader questions, not all of which may be neatly answered by this specific incident. I never claimed they would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DailySketch: The only media outlet I consider &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; is Fox News. But yes, what IS all this about the BBC? I merely made a snarky quip about them and quoted a report. You and ghn are the ones who think my post was all about the BBC. OK, fine, they&#8217;re part of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy to subvert the workers&#8217; paradises of Latin America. And I&#8217;m sure their coverage of Israel is relevant here too, somehow. But I&#8217;ll ask you like I asked ghn: What parts of that BBC report are incorrect? I refer you to the Reporters Without Borders and Committee to Protect Journalists links I posted above.</p>
<p>Also, just curious: since the U.S. and UK governments are both calling for Zelaya&#8217;s reinstatement, and the BBC &#8220;broadcasts UK/US/Israeli government propaganda 24 hours a day,&#8221; how&#8217;s that shaping the BBC&#8217;s current &#8220;propaganda&#8221;? I&#8217;d hate to be fooled again.</p>
<p><em>You also stated in a previous piece that you have linked to above &#8220;I’m less interested in the specifics of the Honduras case&#8221;.</em></p>
<p>Ah, the partial quotation. Nice trick. No, I said, &#8220;Just so there’s no confusion, I’m less interested in the specifics of the Honduras case than in the general issue of the &#8216;cult of the presidency.&#8217;” The Honduras case got me to thinking about broader questions, not all of which may be neatly answered by this specific incident. I never claimed they would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Barganier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Barganier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the Committee to Protect Journalists statement on Zelaya&#039;s broadcast order: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://cpj.org/2007/05/cpj-urges-president-to-reverse-broadcast-order.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://cpj.org/2007/05/cpj-urges-president-to-rev...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Note any significant differences from the BBC account? Now go ahead and tell me how the CPJ hates la democracia. 
 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#039;s the Committee to Protect Journalists statement on Zelaya&#039;s broadcast order:<br />
<a href="http://cpj.org/2007/05/cpj-urges-president-to-reverse-broadcast-order.php" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://cpj.org/2007/05/cpj-urges-president-to-rev.." rel="nofollow">http://cpj.org/2007/05/cpj-urges-president-to-rev..</a>. </p>
<p>Note any significant differences from the BBC account? Now go ahead and tell me how the CPJ hates la democracia.</p>
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		<title>By: TheDailySketch</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheDailySketch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Matt, what&#039;s all this about the BBC? Do you americans really believe the BBC is fair and balanced, or even left-wing? If so, I have a great second-hand car to sell you. The BBC is state funded and broadcasts UK/US/Israeli government propaganda 24 hours a day.  
 
I would seriously recommend you visit this site to find out a little more about the British supposedly left-wing press, such as BBC, Guardian, Independent. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.medialens.org/alerts/archive.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.medialens.org/alerts/archive.php&lt;/a&gt; 
 
If you knew anything about the media in Honduras, you would know that the channels Zelaya referred to are the very same that haven&#039;t informed about the coup. Those that tried to have been closed down and journalists beaten: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55a-Rrxs894&amp;eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnarcosphere.narconews.com%2Fthefield%2Fday-three-democracy-held-hostage-honduras&amp;feature=player_embedded&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55a-Rrxs894&amp;eu...&lt;/a&gt; 
&quot;Reporters for The Associated Press were taken away in military vehicles&quot; and &#039;&#039;One of the largest threats to Honduran democracy is the lack of independence of the Honduran media,&#039;&#039; according to the paper written by Manuel Orozco and Rebecca Rouse. ``The media have failed to fulfill their social function as government watchdogs, are controlled by business and political interests and do not practice fair reporting practices.&#039;&#039;&quot; 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/breaking-news/story/1122536.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/breaki...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
You don&#8217;t need to speak Spanish to &#8220;get&#8221; the gist of the video. (And if you understand just some Spanish, they speak very clearly and coherently.) Just watch the body language of the reporters describing the beatings they got and the positions the soldiers forced them into while they destroyed Honduras&#8217; biggest radio chain Globo&#8217;s transmitter and took them off the air. 
When you defend or make apologies or excuses for this coup, you are enabling that level of violence and repression against media workers just like you. 
 
In fairness too, you should have informed your readers that the new Honduran dictator has withdrawn constitutional guarantees and, wait for it, called a &#8220;cadena nacional,&#8221; decreeing that all TV stations in the country should broadcast his second speech of the day live. 
 
You also stated in a previous piece that you have linked to above &quot;I&#8217;m less interested in the specifics of the Honduras case&quot;. Yes and it shows. I also suggest you read this article: 
Why Zelaya&#039;s Actions Were Legal. It shows why specifics are vital. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.counterpunch.org/thorensen07012009.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.counterpunch.org/thorensen07012009.htm...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Matt, what&#039;s all this about the BBC? Do you americans really believe the BBC is fair and balanced, or even left-wing? If so, I have a great second-hand car to sell you. The BBC is state funded and broadcasts UK/US/Israeli government propaganda 24 hours a day.  </p>
<p>I would seriously recommend you visit this site to find out a little more about the British supposedly left-wing press, such as BBC, Guardian, Independent.<br />
<a href="http://www.medialens.org/alerts/archive.php" target="_blank">http://www.medialens.org/alerts/archive.php</a> </p>
<p>If you knew anything about the media in Honduras, you would know that the channels Zelaya referred to are the very same that haven&#039;t informed about the coup. Those that tried to have been closed down and journalists beaten:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55a-Rrxs894&amp;eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnarcosphere.narconews.com%2Fthefield%2Fday-three-democracy-held-hostage-honduras&amp;feature=player_embedded" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55a-Rrxs894&amp;eu.." rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55a-Rrxs894&amp;eu..</a>.<br />
&quot;Reporters for The Associated Press were taken away in military vehicles&quot; and &#039;&#039;One of the largest threats to Honduran democracy is the lack of independence of the Honduran media,&#039;&#039; according to the paper written by Manuel Orozco and Rebecca Rouse. &#8220;The media have failed to fulfill their social function as government watchdogs, are controlled by business and political interests and do not practice fair reporting practices.&#039;&#039;&quot;<br />
<a href="http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/breaking-news/story/1122536.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/breaki.." rel="nofollow">http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/breaki..</a>. </p>
<p>You don&rsquo;t need to speak Spanish to &ldquo;get&rdquo; the gist of the video. (And if you understand just some Spanish, they speak very clearly and coherently.) Just watch the body language of the reporters describing the beatings they got and the positions the soldiers forced them into while they destroyed Honduras&rsquo; biggest radio chain Globo&rsquo;s transmitter and took them off the air.<br />
When you defend or make apologies or excuses for this coup, you are enabling that level of violence and repression against media workers just like you. </p>
<p>In fairness too, you should have informed your readers that the new Honduran dictator has withdrawn constitutional guarantees and, wait for it, called a &ldquo;cadena nacional,&rdquo; decreeing that all TV stations in the country should broadcast his second speech of the day live. </p>
<p>You also stated in a previous piece that you have linked to above &quot;I&rsquo;m less interested in the specifics of the Honduras case&quot;. Yes and it shows. I also suggest you read this article:<br />
Why Zelaya&#039;s Actions Were Legal. It shows why specifics are vital.<br />
<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/thorensen07012009.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/thorensen07012009.htm.." rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/thorensen07012009.htm..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: BradSmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>BradSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always much easier living in a nation were the president doesn&#039;t need to make any demands of the media. Living in a nation were the president and media are both bought and paid for by the same corporate elite is so much less embarassing. 
 
Just like every other nation were we have stuck our nose in, it&#039;s time to butt out. Face the facts people we have no moral standing anywere! Electing a new stooge doesn&#039;t change a thing. 
 
Peace! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s always much easier living in a nation were the president doesn&#039;t need to make any demands of the media. Living in a nation were the president and media are both bought and paid for by the same corporate elite is so much less embarassing. </p>
<p>Just like every other nation were we have stuck our nose in, it&#039;s time to butt out. Face the facts people we have no moral standing anywere! Electing a new stooge doesn&#039;t change a thing. </p>
<p>Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Barganier</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/07/01/flashback-honduras-may-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-171452</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Barganier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And since ghn is so concerned about a &quot;free and democratic press,&quot; here&#039;s some data from Reporters Without Borders. Their Press Freedom Index over the last four years places Honduras as follows (higher scores are worse): 
 
2005 (year before Zelaya became president) rank: 76th (score: 18) 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rsf.org/en-classement554-2005.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.rsf.org/en-classement554-2005.html&lt;/a&gt; 
 
2006 rank: 62nd (score: 14.5) 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rsf.org/en-classement70-2006.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.rsf.org/en-classement70-2006.html&lt;/a&gt; 
 
2007 rank: 87th (score: 25.5) 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rsf.org/en-classement69-2007.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.rsf.org/en-classement69-2007.html&lt;/a&gt; 
 
2008 rank: 99th (score 21.5) 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rsf.org/en-classement794-2008.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.rsf.org/en-classement794-2008.html&lt;/a&gt; 
 
So after a slight improvement in Zelaya&#039;s first year, things have gotten much worse. Is that all Zelaya&#039;s fault? Probably not. But it sure doesn&#039;t make him look any better, does it? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And since ghn is so concerned about a &quot;free and democratic press,&quot; here&#039;s some data from Reporters Without Borders. Their Press Freedom Index over the last four years places Honduras as follows (higher scores are worse): </p>
<p>2005 (year before Zelaya became president) rank: 76th (score: 18)<br />
<a href="http://www.rsf.org/en-classement554-2005.html" target="_blank">http://www.rsf.org/en-classement554-2005.html</a> </p>
<p>2006 rank: 62nd (score: 14.5)<br />
<a href="http://www.rsf.org/en-classement70-2006.html" target="_blank">http://www.rsf.org/en-classement70-2006.html</a> </p>
<p>2007 rank: 87th (score: 25.5)<br />
<a href="http://www.rsf.org/en-classement69-2007.html" target="_blank">http://www.rsf.org/en-classement69-2007.html</a> </p>
<p>2008 rank: 99th (score 21.5)<br />
<a href="http://www.rsf.org/en-classement794-2008.html" target="_blank">http://www.rsf.org/en-classement794-2008.html</a> </p>
<p>So after a slight improvement in Zelaya&#039;s first year, things have gotten much worse. Is that all Zelaya&#039;s fault? Probably not. But it sure doesn&#039;t make him look any better, does it?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Barganier</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/07/01/flashback-honduras-may-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-171451</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Barganier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, here&#039;s that Honduras coup blackout you were talking about: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;q=honduras&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&amp;ned=us&amp;h...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, here&#039;s that Honduras coup blackout you were talking about:<br />
<a href="http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;q=honduras" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&amp;ned=us&amp;h.." rel="nofollow">http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&amp;ned=us&amp;h..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Barganier</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/07/01/flashback-honduras-may-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-171450</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Barganier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you dispute the basic details of the BBC article, ghn? Please enlighten us.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you dispute the basic details of the BBC article, ghn? Please enlighten us.</p>
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		<title>By: ghn</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea cause the bbc is not a state funded channel and is a friend of pincos and lefties everywhere. and media monopolies owned by half a dozen oligarchs equals a free and democratic press. and these same channels are so pro-freedom that they&#039;re operating a self imposed blackout of news about the coup right now. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea cause the bbc is not a state funded channel and is a friend of pincos and lefties everywhere. and media monopolies owned by half a dozen oligarchs equals a free and democratic press. and these same channels are so pro-freedom that they&#039;re operating a self imposed blackout of news about the coup right now.</p>
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