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		<title>By: couscous</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/08/02/another-iraq-war-propaganda-nugget-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-172243</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m39851&amp;hd=&amp;size=1&amp;l=e&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;America isn&#8217;t forcibly keeping Iraq together.  The &#8220;sectarianism&#8221; only began when the capture of Saddam meant a new excuse was needed to hide the guerrilla war&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;The myth of sectarianism - The policy is divide to rule. It may be worthwhile to consider that prior to the Anglo-American invasion and occupation of Iraq there had never been open warfare between the two groups and certainly not a civil war. In terms of organization and convention, Iraqis are a tribal society and some of the largest tribes in the country comprise Sunni and Shia. Intermarriages between the two sects are not uncommon either.  
  
Soon after arriving in Iraq in November 2003, I learned that it was considered rude and socially graceless to enquire after an individual&#8217;s sect. If in ignorance or under compulsion I did pose the question the most common answer I would receive was, &quot;I am Muslim, and I am Iraqi.&quot; On occasion there were more telling responses like the one I received from an older woman, &quot;My mother is a Shia and my father a Sunni, so can you tell which half of me is which?&quot; The accompanying smile said it all.  
  
Large mixed neighborhoods were the norm in Baghdad. Sunni and Shia prayed in one another&#8217;s mosques.&lt;/i&gt;  As the rest of the article makes clear, the reason it has changed is because the &#8220;Americans thought they would decrease the resistance attacks by separating the people of Iraq into sects and tribes&#8221;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m39851&amp;hd=&amp;size=1&amp;l=e" target="_blank">America isn&rsquo;t forcibly keeping Iraq together.  The &ldquo;sectarianism&rdquo; only began when the capture of Saddam meant a new excuse was needed to hide the guerrilla war</a>: <i>The myth of sectarianism &#8211; The policy is divide to rule. It may be worthwhile to consider that prior to the Anglo-American invasion and occupation of Iraq there had never been open warfare between the two groups and certainly not a civil war. In terms of organization and convention, Iraqis are a tribal society and some of the largest tribes in the country comprise Sunni and Shia. Intermarriages between the two sects are not uncommon either.  </p>
<p>Soon after arriving in Iraq in November 2003, I learned that it was considered rude and socially graceless to enquire after an individual&rsquo;s sect. If in ignorance or under compulsion I did pose the question the most common answer I would receive was, &quot;I am Muslim, and I am Iraqi.&quot; On occasion there were more telling responses like the one I received from an older woman, &quot;My mother is a Shia and my father a Sunni, so can you tell which half of me is which?&quot; The accompanying smile said it all.  </p>
<p>Large mixed neighborhoods were the norm in Baghdad. Sunni and Shia prayed in one another&rsquo;s mosques.</i>  As the rest of the article makes clear, the reason it has changed is because the &ldquo;Americans thought they would decrease the resistance attacks by separating the people of Iraq into sects and tribes&rdquo;.</p>
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		<title>By: couscous</title>
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		<dc:creator>couscous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;America isn&#8217;t forcibly keeping Iraq together.  The &#8220;sectarianism&#8221; only began when the capture of Saddam meant a new excuse was needed to hide the guerrilla war&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;The myth of sectarianism - The policy is divide to rule. It may be worthwhile to consider that prior to the Anglo-American invasion and occupation of Iraq there had never been open warfare between the two groups and certainly not a civil war. In terms of organization and convention, Iraqis are a tribal society and some of the largest tribes in the country comprise Sunni and Shia. Intermarriages between the two sects are not uncommon either. 
 
Soon after arriving in Iraq in November 2003, I learned that it was considered rude and socially graceless to enquire after an individual&#8217;s sect. If in ignorance or under compulsion I did pose the question the most common answer I would receive was, &quot;I am Muslim, and I am Iraqi.&quot; On occasion there were more telling responses like the one I received from an older woman, &quot;My mother is a Shia and my father a Sunni, so can you tell which half of me is which?&quot; The accompanying smile said it all. 
 
Large mixed neighborhoods were the norm in Baghdad. Sunni and Shia prayed in one another&#8217;s mosques.&lt;/i&gt;  As the rest of the article makes clear, the reason it has changed is because the &#8220;Americans thought they would decrease the resistance attacks by separating the people of Iraq into sects and tribes&#8221;.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="" target="_blank">America isn&rsquo;t forcibly keeping Iraq together.  The &ldquo;sectarianism&rdquo; only began when the capture of Saddam meant a new excuse was needed to hide the guerrilla war</a>: <i>The myth of sectarianism &#8211; The policy is divide to rule. It may be worthwhile to consider that prior to the Anglo-American invasion and occupation of Iraq there had never been open warfare between the two groups and certainly not a civil war. In terms of organization and convention, Iraqis are a tribal society and some of the largest tribes in the country comprise Sunni and Shia. Intermarriages between the two sects are not uncommon either. </p>
<p>Soon after arriving in Iraq in November 2003, I learned that it was considered rude and socially graceless to enquire after an individual&rsquo;s sect. If in ignorance or under compulsion I did pose the question the most common answer I would receive was, &quot;I am Muslim, and I am Iraqi.&quot; On occasion there were more telling responses like the one I received from an older woman, &quot;My mother is a Shia and my father a Sunni, so can you tell which half of me is which?&quot; The accompanying smile said it all. </p>
<p>Large mixed neighborhoods were the norm in Baghdad. Sunni and Shia prayed in one another&rsquo;s mosques.</i>  As the rest of the article makes clear, the reason it has changed is because the &ldquo;Americans thought they would decrease the resistance attacks by separating the people of Iraq into sects and tribes&rdquo;.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Bush Iraq War lie disproven &#171; JohnSeilerBlogs.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Bush Iraq War lie disproven &#171; JohnSeilerBlogs.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ever since by Saddam. Here&#8217;s what Secretary of Defense Donald &#8220;RummyDummy&#8221; Rumsfeld said in March 2002, as the Bush regime was gearing up its propaganda offensive to invade [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ever since by Saddam. Here&#8217;s what Secretary of Defense Donald &#8220;RummyDummy&#8221; Rumsfeld said in March 2002, as the Bush regime was gearing up its propaganda offensive to invade [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Barganier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Barganier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eland was saying that the U.S. should not forcibly keep Iraq together, but if you insist on distorting his point, go ahead. Bandow was analyzing U.S.-European military alliances from a utilitarian, realist perspective -- the perspective NATO proponents claim to adhere to -- but if you insist on distorting his point, go ahead. If you want to continue to troll here, shrieking that Antiwar.com is a subsidiary of the Pentagon, go ahead. But you&#039;ve proven yourself unworthy of serious rebuttal, so I&#039;m done with you. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eland was saying that the U.S. should not forcibly keep Iraq together, but if you insist on distorting his point, go ahead. Bandow was analyzing U.S.-European military alliances from a utilitarian, realist perspective &#8212; the perspective NATO proponents claim to adhere to &#8212; but if you insist on distorting his point, go ahead. If you want to continue to troll here, shrieking that Antiwar.com is a subsidiary of the Pentagon, go ahead. But you&#039;ve proven yourself unworthy of serious rebuttal, so I&#039;m done with you.</p>
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		<title>By: couscous</title>
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		<dc:creator>couscous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strike&gt;Letting&lt;/strike&gt; forcing Iraqis to devolve into separate states isn&#8217;t something they&#8217;ve shown much interest in, though the Americans sure are interested in it!  From the same article I linked to: &lt;i&gt;Many Iraqis are now beginning to see the rising sectarian violence as part of a larger plan to partition the country. 
 
&quot;Americans want to alter the shape of our cities, dividing Iraqis into ethnic and sectarian groups living separately from each other,&quot; Khali Sadiq, a researcher in statistics at Baghdad University, told IPS.&lt;/i&gt;   
 
Here in the reality based community: Iraqis are intermarried, Iraq has never had a civil war and has no history of religious violence (hint: Muslims don&#8217;t hate mosques).  The violence in Iraq stems from the guerrilla war against the occupation and the vicious attacks on the civilian population are widely blamed on the occupation.  
 
In the Pentagon/Antiwar.com bizarro-world: Iraq was plagued by &#8216;constant ethno-sectarian strife&#8217; that was only kept in check by Saddam and his people shredder.  Muslims hate mosques and blow them up constantly and all the Arabs really want to live in homogeneous open-air prisons with limited access to food, water, and electricity.  Kurdish Muslims are exempt from this because they &lt;strike&gt;support the occupation&lt;/strike&gt;...well I&#8217;m sure there must be a reason!   All the violence is &#8220;terrorism&#8221; and if the occupation were to end it would get much worse.  
 
The Bandow article is complaining that Europe isn&#8217;t doing enough to help America.  &lt;i&gt;A stronger Europe and U.S. could then join in military action elsewhere when their interests coincide.&lt;/i&gt;  That&#8217;s clearly devoted to the cause of non-interventionism! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strike>Letting</strike> forcing Iraqis to devolve into separate states isn&rsquo;t something they&rsquo;ve shown much interest in, though the Americans sure are interested in it!  From the same article I linked to: <i>Many Iraqis are now beginning to see the rising sectarian violence as part of a larger plan to partition the country. </p>
<p>&quot;Americans want to alter the shape of our cities, dividing Iraqis into ethnic and sectarian groups living separately from each other,&quot; Khali Sadiq, a researcher in statistics at Baghdad University, told IPS.</i>   </p>
<p>Here in the reality based community: Iraqis are intermarried, Iraq has never had a civil war and has no history of religious violence (hint: Muslims don&rsquo;t hate mosques).  The violence in Iraq stems from the guerrilla war against the occupation and the vicious attacks on the civilian population are widely blamed on the occupation.  </p>
<p>In the Pentagon/Antiwar.com bizarro-world: Iraq was plagued by &lsquo;constant ethno-sectarian strife&rsquo; that was only kept in check by Saddam and his people shredder.  Muslims hate mosques and blow them up constantly and all the Arabs really want to live in homogeneous open-air prisons with limited access to food, water, and electricity.  Kurdish Muslims are exempt from this because they <strike>support the occupation</strike>&#8230;well I&rsquo;m sure there must be a reason!   All the violence is &ldquo;terrorism&rdquo; and if the occupation were to end it would get much worse.  </p>
<p>The Bandow article is complaining that Europe isn&rsquo;t doing enough to help America.  <i>A stronger Europe and U.S. could then join in military action elsewhere when their interests coincide.</i>  That&rsquo;s clearly devoted to the cause of non-interventionism!</p>
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		<title>By: richard vajs</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard vajs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gullible? To paraphrase - &quot;None are so gullible as those who wish to believe&quot;. Americans want deeply to believe that they are not selfish monsters using their superior military to impose their will upon the world. They can&#039;t face the truth, so they willingly embrace any bs that makes them feel good about themselves. They are almost as bad about this as the Israelis who have reached the point of insanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gullible? To paraphrase &#8211; &#8220;None are so gullible as those who wish to believe&#8221;. Americans want deeply to believe that they are not selfish monsters using their superior military to impose their will upon the world. They can&#8217;t face the truth, so they willingly embrace any bs that makes them feel good about themselves. They are almost as bad about this as the Israelis who have reached the point of insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: couscous</title>
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		<dc:creator>couscous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.antiwar.com/ips/fadhily.php?articleid=11303&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Iraqis aren&#8217;t partitioning themselves, the occupation is forcefully partitioning them in an attempt to stop the guerrilla war&lt;/a&gt;.  It&#8217;s also odd that the Kurdish population isn&#8217;t being forcibly segregated into open air prisons like the Arab Iraqis, or those other uppity Arabs in Palestine.  It&#8217;s almost as if they&#8217;re being punished for something!    
  
&lt;i&gt;&quot;They [death squads] evicted many of our good Sunni neighbors and killed many others,&quot; Abu Riyad of the predominantly Shia Shula area told IPS. &quot;We protected them for a while, but then we could not face the militias with all the support they had from the Iraqi government and the Americans. It is a terrible shame that we have to live with, but what can we do?&quot;   
  
On the other hand, many Sunni Iraqis seemed unwilling to evict their Shia countrymen &#8211; for a while. But people in one mixed area of Baghdad described strange developments.   
  
&quot;It is true that our neighbors did not evict us, but then the Americans swept the area and local fighters had to disappear from the streets,&quot; Hussein Allawi, a Shia who lived in a predominantly Sunni neighborhood told IPS. &quot;A group of masked strangers then entered the town right under American soldiers&#039; eyes. Only then did we realize that we must leave, and that our good neighbors could not help us any more.&quot;   
  
Many such stories are told around Baghdad.&lt;/i&gt;  
  
Afghanistan: It was in a Doug Bandow column.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://antiwar.com/bandow/?articleid=13055&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; He was howling about the Europeans &#8220;subsidizing inefficient welfare states&#8221; despite &#8220;the growing need for troops in Afghanistan&#8221;.&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/ips/fadhily.php?articleid=11303" rel="nofollow">The Iraqis aren&rsquo;t partitioning themselves, the occupation is forcefully partitioning them in an attempt to stop the guerrilla war</a>.  It&rsquo;s also odd that the Kurdish population isn&rsquo;t being forcibly segregated into open air prisons like the Arab Iraqis, or those other uppity Arabs in Palestine.  It&rsquo;s almost as if they&rsquo;re being punished for something!    </p>
<p><i>&quot;They [death squads] evicted many of our good Sunni neighbors and killed many others,&quot; Abu Riyad of the predominantly Shia Shula area told IPS. &quot;We protected them for a while, but then we could not face the militias with all the support they had from the Iraqi government and the Americans. It is a terrible shame that we have to live with, but what can we do?&quot;   </p>
<p>On the other hand, many Sunni Iraqis seemed unwilling to evict their Shia countrymen &ndash; for a while. But people in one mixed area of Baghdad described strange developments.   </p>
<p>&quot;It is true that our neighbors did not evict us, but then the Americans swept the area and local fighters had to disappear from the streets,&quot; Hussein Allawi, a Shia who lived in a predominantly Sunni neighborhood told IPS. &quot;A group of masked strangers then entered the town right under American soldiers&#39; eyes. Only then did we realize that we must leave, and that our good neighbors could not help us any more.&quot;   </p>
<p>Many such stories are told around Baghdad.</i>  </p>
<p>Afghanistan: It was in a Doug Bandow column.  <a href="http://antiwar.com/bandow/?articleid=13055" rel="nofollow"> He was howling about the Europeans &ldquo;subsidizing inefficient welfare states&rdquo; despite &ldquo;the growing need for troops in Afghanistan&rdquo;.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good link, couscous. Thanks. 

And thanks to the Antiwar folks who work so hard to bring us the other side of the story every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good link, couscous. Thanks. </p>
<p>And thanks to the Antiwar folks who work so hard to bring us the other side of the story every day.</p>
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		<title>By: couscous</title>
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		<dc:creator>couscous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling for the ethnic cleansing of millions of people in Iraq (i.e. partition) and more troops for Afghanistan is rather unseemly for a site that is trying to appear antiwar.    
  
If you&#8217;re still in the mood to celebrate the debunking of old war propaganda, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890_pf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#8217;s the Washington Post admitting that the &#8220;Zarqawi campaign&#8221; was created by the occupation&lt;/a&gt;:    
  
&lt;i&gt;It is difficult to determine how much has been spent on the Zarqawi campaign, which began two years ago and is believed to be ongoing. U.S. propaganda efforts in Iraq in 2004 cost $24 million, but that included extensive building of offices and residences for troops involved, as well as radio broadcasts and distribution of thousands of leaflets with Zarqawi&#039;s face on them, said the officer speaking on background.  
  
The Zarqawi campaign is discussed in several of the internal military documents. &quot;Villainize Zarqawi/leverage xenophobia response,&quot; one U.S. military briefing from 2004 stated. It listed three methods: &quot;Media operations,&quot; &quot;Special Ops (626)&quot; (a reference to Task Force 626, an elite U.S. military unit assigned primarily to hunt in Iraq for senior officials in Hussein&#039;s government) and &quot;PSYOP,&quot; the U.S. military term for propaganda work.  
  
&lt;b&gt;One internal briefing, produced by the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq, said that Kimmitt had concluded that, &quot;The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling for the ethnic cleansing of millions of people in Iraq (i.e. partition) and more troops for Afghanistan is rather unseemly for a site that is trying to appear antiwar.    </p>
<p>If you&rsquo;re still in the mood to celebrate the debunking of old war propaganda, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890_pf.html" rel="nofollow">here&rsquo;s the Washington Post admitting that the &ldquo;Zarqawi campaign&rdquo; was created by the occupation</a>:    </p>
<p><i>It is difficult to determine how much has been spent on the Zarqawi campaign, which began two years ago and is believed to be ongoing. U.S. propaganda efforts in Iraq in 2004 cost $24 million, but that included extensive building of offices and residences for troops involved, as well as radio broadcasts and distribution of thousands of leaflets with Zarqawi&#39;s face on them, said the officer speaking on background.  </p>
<p>The Zarqawi campaign is discussed in several of the internal military documents. &quot;Villainize Zarqawi/leverage xenophobia response,&quot; one U.S. military briefing from 2004 stated. It listed three methods: &quot;Media operations,&quot; &quot;Special Ops (626)&quot; (a reference to Task Force 626, an elite U.S. military unit assigned primarily to hunt in Iraq for senior officials in Hussein&#39;s government) and &quot;PSYOP,&quot; the U.S. military term for propaganda work.  </p>
<p><b>One internal briefing, produced by the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq, said that Kimmitt had concluded that, &quot;The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date.&quot;</b></i></p>
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		<title>By: Matt Barganier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Barganier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you misunderstood my comment about &quot;partitioning themselves.&quot; I thought you were referring to an Ivan Eland column in which he suggested letting Iraq devolve into separate states. 

As for the Bandow column, are you really that obtuse? The column was about NATO, and Bandow was making the point that NATO is a failure even on its own terms, since the U.S. contributes almost all the troops to every mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you misunderstood my comment about &#8220;partitioning themselves.&#8221; I thought you were referring to an Ivan Eland column in which he suggested letting Iraq devolve into separate states. </p>
<p>As for the Bandow column, are you really that obtuse? The column was about NATO, and Bandow was making the point that NATO is a failure even on its own terms, since the U.S. contributes almost all the troops to every mission.</p>
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