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		<title>Why Are People Grudgeful?</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2010/08/26/why-are-people-grudgeful/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Barganier</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Timothy P. Carney weighs in on the &#8220;Cato purge&#8221;: [Brink] Lindsey will be portrayed as a martyr, excommunicated for his heresies from the Right&#8217;s dogma. In this role, he joins neoconservative writer David Frum, who was driven from the American Enterprise Institute after praising Obamacare. Lindsey and Frum followed parallel paths. In 2002 and 2003, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Shattering-the-myth-of-a-Left-libertarian-alliance-564723-101482014.html">Timothy P. Carney weighs in on the &#8220;Cato purge&#8221;</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>[Brink] Lindsey will be portrayed as a martyr, excommunicated for his  heresies from the Right&#8217;s dogma. In this role, he joins neoconservative  writer David Frum, who was driven from the American Enterprise Institute  after praising Obamacare.</p>
<p>Lindsey and Frum followed parallel paths. In 2002 and 2003, Lindsey &#8211;  contra most libertarians &#8211; prominently beat the drums for invading  Iraq. Meanwhile, Frum played the conservatives&#8217; Robespierre, trying to  purge from the Right those who opposed the invasion, whom he slurred as  &#8220;unpatriotic conservatives.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lindsey, when he admitted in 2006 that invading Iraq was a mistake,  still billed himself as &#8220;extremely controversial&#8221; and open-minded in the  face of dogma. Frum, today, basks in the Left&#8217;s praise as an  independent thinker. <strong>But Lindsey and Frum, in backing Bush&#8217;s invasion  then and supporting Obama now, were the opposite of dissidents: They  consistently supported those in power who were fighting for more power.</strong></p>
<p>This pattern doesn&#8217;t make Lindsey or Frum sycophants, but it undermines their claim to be dissidents.</p></blockquote>
<p>Amen.</p>
<p>The reason I keep banging on about Iraq War supporters â€“ including the &#8220;born-again doves&#8221; â€“ is simple: The road out of militarism and empire runs through the ruins of the Washington establishment that got us here.</p>
<p>First, there must be some penalty for supporting wars of aggression, even in a non-governmental role. I don&#8217;t mean a legal penalty, obviously, but shaming, shunning, boycotting, and the like. But everywhere you look, the very people who sold the Iraq War have not only <em>not</em> paid for their bloodthirsty idiocy, they&#8217;ve often been promoted. Second, as long as even &#8220;reformed&#8221; warmongers hold positions of influence, there&#8217;s always the danger of relapse. Clearly, the personality defects that contribute to the endorsement of monstrosities don&#8217;t go away quickly, if ever. For example, here&#8217;s one <a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/2008/03/21/my-iraq-war-retrospective/">ex-Bushbot</a>-turned-Obamaton <a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/08/10/a-serious-question/">sticking it to the White House&#8217;s critics</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Personally, Iâ€™m not satisfied with the job they [Obama &amp; co.] are doing (unemployment  is horrible, theyâ€™ve spent too much time negotiating with Republicans,  the drone wars, the civil liberties issues, Lloyd Blankfein is still a  free man, etc.), and think there have been some real failings and some  real let-downs.  <strong>But I will belly crawl over broken glass while someone  pours lemon juice and rubbing alcohol on me to vote for the Democrats in  November.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Note how drone wars and civil liberties fall behind &#8220;negotiating with Republicans&#8221; on this list of sins. To paraphrase Mick Jagger, could you use a lemon-squeezer, dude? I volunteer.</p>
<p>I could go on â€“ there are so many targets â€“ but instead, I&#8217;ll leave you with a thought experiment. Imagine that the invasion of Iraq had succeeded <em>on the war supporters&#8217; own terms</em>, and the U.S. had crushed all armed resistance within a few months and set up some plausibly &#8220;pro-American&#8221; Potemkin democracy that didn&#8217;t need a foreign army to defend it from the citizenry (this requires a lot of imagination, I know). Let&#8217;s assume that the U.S. military had accomplished this by <em>really taking the gloves off</em>, as many war supporters urged in the days when the occupation began to implode. Thus, in our counterfactual, the Iraqi civilian casualty count is roughly the same as the actual count today, anti-American sentiment is inflamed throughout the Muslim world, and Iran is the unquestioned dominant regional power, all for a preventive war against a fabricated threat. Do you think that our born-again doves â€“ much less the dead-enders who still think the war was a good idea â€“ would have had any moral or even practical second thoughts? Or do you think they&#8217;d be doing a sack dance in the peaceniks&#8217; faces and demanding the destruction of the next country on their list?</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE:</strong> I think <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/08/26/mike-rogers-to-ken-mehlman-apologize.aspx">this sort of amends-making</a> is a wonderful idea, but I suggest it for people who have abetted acts of mass destruction. How many prosthetic limbs could the Brinkster buy with his disposable income? Shoot, Andrew Sullivan could probably fund half a dozen orphanages across Iraq if he cut his personal expenditures back to bare subsistence levels. Let&#8217;s make this happen!</p>
<p>[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpCghKWnzC0[/youtube]</p>
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		<title>Binge and Purge</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2010/08/24/binge-and-purge/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Barganier</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In another one of those Washington insider stories every Serious Person is required to care about, Brink Lindsey and Will Wilkinson, two noted &#8220;liberaltarians,&#8221; have allegedly been &#8220;purged&#8221; from the Cato Institute (that&#8217;s Dave Weigel&#8217;s theory, anyway, so take it for what it&#8217;s worth). Wilkinson is good on matters of war and peace (see &#8220;Bradley [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In another one of those Washington insider stories every Serious Person is required to care about, Brink Lindsey and Will Wilkinson, two noted &#8220;liberaltarians,&#8221; have allegedly been &#8220;purged&#8221; from the Cato Institute (that&#8217;s <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/08/23/a-purge-at-the-cato-institute.aspx">Dave Weigel&#8217;s</a> theory, anyway, so take it for <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2010/07/27/weigel-vs-wikileaks/">what it&#8217;s worth</a>). Wilkinson is good on matters of war and peace (see &#8220;<a href="http://theweek.com/article/index/206106/bradley-mannings-guilt-mdash-and-ours">Bradley Manning&#8217;s Guilt â€” and Ours</a>,&#8221; which we highlighted last week), so too bad about him.</p>
<p>Brink Lindsey, on the other hand&#8230; ugh. He should have been sacked back when he was using his trade policy position to agitate for dropping freedom bombs on Iraqis. In <a href="http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2010/08/24/liberaltarianism-rip/">his response</a> to the purge story, Daniel McCarthy links to <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/stromberg/?articleid=994">this 2002 Joseph Stromberg piece</a>. As you read Stromberg&#8217;s take on Lindsey, keep in mind which one of the two was marginal at the time and which one is walking into <a href="http://www.kauffman.org/newsroom/brink-lindsey-joins-kauffman-foundation-as-senior-fellow.aspx">yet another cozy think-tank sinecure today</a>.</p>
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		<title>YouTube of Iran Debate</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2010/08/16/youtube-of-iran-debate/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 04:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott Horton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Below is the 2 1/2 hour entirety of that Iran debate at UCR on April 1, 2010. Featured speaker was Reese Erlich. Panelists were Erlich, Larry Greenfield, Christopher Records and myself. The host was Louis Vandenberg. Thanks to Joe Briggs for putting this on his YouTube account. One correction: After this conference, I learned from [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below is the 2 1/2 hour entirety of <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2010/08/03/14-of-an-iran-debate/">that Iran debate</a> at UCR on April 1, 2010. Featured speaker was Reese Erlich. Panelists were Erlich, Larry Greenfield, Christopher Records and myself. The host was Louis Vandenberg. Thanks to Joe Briggs for putting this on his YouTube account.</p>
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<p>One correction: After this conference, I learned from Syed Saleem Shahzad that the Jundallah that the CIA and JSOC use against Iran is different from the Jundallah that KSM used to be the leader of. However, they are both radical Salafi civilian-bombing terrorists, so same difference.</p>
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		<title>All the Wrong Reasons</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/07/21/all-the-wrong-reasons/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Barganier</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s a lot to ponder in this open letter to Barack Obama from Vaclav Havel, Lech Walesa, et al., but I&#8217;ll stick to this part: We have to cherish and protect the multitude of educational, professional, and other networks and friendships that underpin our friendship and alliance. The U.S. visa regime remains an obstacle in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot to ponder in <a href="http://wyborcza.pl/1,75477,6825987,An_Open_Letter_to_the_Obama_Administration_from_Central.html">this open letter</a> to Barack Obama from Vaclav Havel, Lech Walesa, et al., but I&#8217;ll stick to this part:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>We have to cherish and protect the multitude of educational, professional, and other networks and friendships that underpin our friendship and alliance. The U.S. visa regime remains an obstacle in this regard. It is absurd that Poland and Romania &#8212; arguably the two biggest and most pro-American states in the CEE region, which are making substantial contributions in Iraq and Afghanistan &#8212; have not yet been brought into the visa waiver program.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen variations on this theme many times over the years: the U.S. government should do something for such and such country because that country&#8217;s government contributed troops to some U.S.-led war. I sometimes agree with the policy change suggested, as in this instance. It&#8217;s absolutely ridiculous that my Romanian mother-in-law was recently denied a <a href="http://bucharest.usembassy.gov/Visas/Non-Immigrant.html">non-immigrant visa</a> on a whim from a sour embassy employee. (An immigration official here in the U.S. even told my sister-in-law that the visa should have been granted.)</p>
<p>But of all the reasons this or any other policy should change, the fact that Romania&#8217;s handout-hungry leaders assisted in a war of aggression (when <a href="http://www.gallup-international.com/download/GIA%20press%20release%20Iraq%20Survey%202003.pdf">less than half of Romanians supported it</a>) should not count for much â€“ to <a href="http://reason.com/blog/show/134933.html">libertarians</a>, at least.</p>
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		<title>There Are Some Lines You Just Don&#8217;t Cross</title>
		<link>http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/06/21/there-are-some-lines-you-just-dont-cross/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Barganier</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember Walid Jumblatt, the leader of Lebanon&#8217;s Progressive Socialist Party who made a big splash four years ago when he began raving about the wonders of the Bush Doctrine? Probably not, to the relief of many a neocon. He was an embarrassing ally for the warbots even back then, but now he&#8217;s gone and done [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2005/02/24/jumblattapalooza/">Walid Jumblatt</a>, the leader of Lebanon&#8217;s Progressive Socialist Party who made a big splash four years ago when he began raving about <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2005/02/25/the-hits-keep-coming/">the wonders of the Bush Doctrine</a>? Probably not, to the relief of <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2005/02/24/dont-neocons-read-memri/">many a neocon</a>. He was an embarrassing ally for the warbots even back then, but now he&#8217;s gone and <a href="http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&#038;categ_id=2&#038;article_id=103279">done the unforgivable</a>:</p>
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A surprise reconciliation between the leaders of Hizbullah and the Progressive Socialist Party was followed on Friday by Walid Jumblatt&#8217;s re-directing his rhetoric south, to Palestine, and <strong>warning of the &#8220;absolute extremism&#8221; of the Israeli government. &#8220;I call on all of our people in Palestine to reject sectarian and non-sectarian violence and cling to their Arabism and Palestinian national project, to confront Zionist projects that promise to be more dangerous and fiercer in the coming phase,&#8221; Jumblatt said in a statement.</strong></p>
<p>The PSP leader said the Israeli government had no interest in a peace settlement and &#8220;insisted on absolute extremism&#8221; in its current policies. </p></blockquote>
<p>I suspect we won&#8217;t be seeing any more <a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/34152.html">sympathetic profiles</a> of this &#8220;insightful interpreter of the fluctuations in Middle Eastern politics&#8221; any time soon.</p>
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