State Dept: Criticism of Israel = Anti-Semitism?

In the most recent edition of its annual “Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism” released Thursday, the State Department — and hence the U.S. government — moves ever more closely to a long-standing neo-conservative tenet: that criticism of Israel or Israeli policies often, if not always, equals anti-Semitism. The report also suggests that comparing Israel’s treatment of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories to South African apartheid — as former President Jimmy Carter did in his 2006 book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid — also amounts to anti-Semitism. And it focuses on the United Nations as a breeding ground for anti-Semitism as expressed through criticism of Israel, another major neo-conservative theme that has intensified sharply over the past five years, notably through the efforts of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, the National Review Online and the Wall Street Journal’s editorial page.

Here’s the argument as laid out in the introductory section of the report entitled Contemporary Forms of Anti-Semitism”:

“Anti-Semitism has proven to be an adaptive phenomenon. New forms of anti-Semitism have evolved. They often incorporate elements of traditional anti-Semitism. However, the distinguishing feature of the new anti-Semitism is criticism of Zionism or Israeli policy that — whether intentionally or unintentionally — has the effect of promoting prejudice against all Jews by demonizing Israel and Israelis and attributing Israel’s perceived faults to its Jewish character.

“The new anti-Semitism is common throughout the Middle East and in Muslim communities in Europe, but it is not confined to these populations. For example, various United Nations bodies are asked each year on multiple occasions to commission investigations of what often are sensationalized reports of alleged atrocities and other violations of human rights by Israel. Various bodies have been set up within the UN system with the sole purpose of reporting on what is assumed to be ongoing, abusive Israeli behavior. The motive for such actions may be to defuse an immediate crisis, to show others in the Middle East that there are credible means of addressing their concerns other than resorting to violence, or to pursue other legitimate ends. But the collective effect of unremitting criticism of Israel, coupled with a failure to pay attention to regimes that are demonstrably guilty of grave violations, has the effect of reinforcing the notion that the Jewish state is one of the sources, if not the greatest source, of abuse of the rights of others, and thus intentionally or not encourages anti-Semitism.

“Comparing contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis is increasingly commonplace. Anti-Semitism couched as criticism of Zionism or Israel often escapes condemnation since it can be more subtle than traditional forms of anti-Semitism, and promoting anti-Semitic attitudes may not be the conscious intent of the purveyor. Israel’s policies and practices must be subject to responsible criticism and scrutiny to the same degree as those of any other country. At the same time, those criticizing Israel have a responsibility to consider the effect their actions may have in prompting hatred of Jews. At times hostility toward Israel has translated into physical violence directed at Jews in general. There was, for example, a sharp upsurge in anti-Semitic incidents worldwide during the conflict between Hizballah and Israel in the summer of 2006.” [Italics added.]

Of course, it would be interesting to apply this analysis to the rhetoric used by senior political figures, neo-conservative groups (such as FDD or the American Enterprise Institute), and media in the U.S. and Europe about Islam, Muslims or about various kinds of Islamic political movements in the Arab and Islamic worlds, particularly with respect to the notion that these actors may have a “responsibility to consider the effects their actions may have in prompting” Islamophobia. [I suspect the report’s author meant “promoting” rather than prompting.]

The report purports to apply a definition of anti-Semitism established by the European Monitoring Center on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC) to its own analysis. But it actually goes beyond that by suggesting at various points, particularly in relation to UN conferences, resolutions, and the reports by UN Special Rapporteurs, that any comparison of the treatment by Israel of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories with apartheid amounts to anti-Semitism. Carter, however, goes unmentioned, perhaps because the report’s scope does not cover the anti-Semitism in the United States. If it did, I suppose it would have to also address the anti-Semitism — as opposed to the philo-Zionism — of the Christian Right, and that wouldn’t be good for a Republican administration. That anti-Semites like Tim LaHaye, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell can be the most zealous supporters of Israel, particularly a Greater Israel, for theological reasons certainly poses some delicate challenges for those disposed to equate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. So far as the neo-conservatives are concerned, however, that conundrum was settled 25 years ago when Irving Kristol noted that Jews should not be concerned about an alliance with the Christian Right despite its anti-Semitic beliefs. “Why would it be a problem for us?” he wrote back in the early 1980s. ”It is their theology; but it is our Israel.”

The report is being issued in advance of next Wednesday’s a meeting at AEI next week on the subject of “Anti-Semitism and the War on Terror” featuring Germany historian Matthias Kuentzel, the author of the ‘Jihad and Jew-Hatred: Islamism, Nazism and the Roots of 9/11.’ As pointed out in the AEI blurb, the author’s “central thesis is that a great deal of contemporary Islamist anti-Semitism comes directly from the Third Reich, that it was institutionalized in the Middle East during the Second World War, and that is has grown ever since, thanks to organizations and individuals who — in many cases — received direct ideological, political, and financial support from teh Nazis and who are still very active.” AEI fellows Michael Ledeen and Michael Novak (who personally assured me at another AEI seminar back in 1981 that the Argentine military junta could not possibly be considered a neo-Nazi regime as alleged by one its most famous victims, Jacobo Timerman, after his release — as a result of pressure from Jimmy Carter, no less — from one of its secret torture prisons) will comment after the presentation.

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146 thoughts on “State Dept: Criticism of Israel = Anti-Semitism?”

    1. What next……..USA public will be taxed for uttering the word Jews, Israel, Hebrew and Judaism

      What ever is related to Israel will be taxed.

      US government has become a worldwide laughing stock without any end in sight.

      I guess you deserve the slavery US administration is displaying shamelessly

      See Obama Hilary and McBush all competing to pleae Israel making the Israel the center of the whole election scenario

      One wonder why US public bother to vote.

      LMAO.

      Some acts of idiocy will stay in the books of history forever and some are simply unforgivable just like history itself.

      1. Capital idea–an “Utterance Tax”!

        That might actually work to end meaningful speech codes once and for all, for bureaucrats would likely prefer to target, say, really lucrative words like “and”, “the”, and so forth.

      2. Any politican who runs for office in the US or Western Europe has to coddle with zionism. Imagine if a public figure running for office stood against Israeli aggression? The media would destroy him.

    2. Selective one sided criticism of Israel doesn’t always mean that one has it in for jews but it is a symptom of it

  1. It’s remarkable how far to the left the right has moved. The concept of a “new” racism (in this case anti-semitism), of “code words” designed to mask hidden racist attitudes, is so laughably Hofstadter. For the left it was talk of “individualism”, for the neo-cons it’s criticism of Israel.

  2. My experience is that sometimes this is true. Antisemites *will* look at Israel’s actions to say “See, I told you so” instead of seeing them as the complex reactions of a newly-formed state which had to fight for it’s survival in the early days against surrounding Arab regimes (and which admittedly does have it’s fair share of ethnocentrism which is understandable if you’re constantly on the brink of being wiped out). They’re not arguing that criticism should be silenced.

    At the same time, I think a lot of people really are disappointed with a lot of the rhetoric coming from ‘pro-Israel’ supporters which sounds eerily familiar to the fascism that their fathers/grandfathers fought in WW2. They also look at their domestic problems and start to feel that a little more attention (political and financial) could be paid to those than to overseas commitments. Also, certain factions within the pro-Israel community have become notorious for corruption, and word of that has seeped out into the wider community.

    1. My experience is that sometimes this is true. Antisemites *will* look at Israel’s actions to say “See, I told you so”

      So? Anti-semites pointing out Israeli transgression of international law and the Geneva Conventions doesn’t nullify the action.

      …instead of seeing them as the complex reactions of a newly-formed state which had to fight for it’s survival in the early days against surrounding Arab regimes

      Furthermore, to imply as you do here that Israel has the moral high-ground is ludicrous. When has the aggressor invading and occupying army ever had the moral high-ground?

      They’re not arguing that criticism should be silenced.

      Oh, yes they are.

    2. The Israelis’ endless fears of being wiped out – despite the fact that they have the largest, best equipped military in the Middle East, despite the fact that they have hundreds of nuclear weapons, despite the fact the U.S. has vowed to use its own military and WMD to defend the Jewish state against any such eventuality – are the most hackneyed, maudlin and propagandistic load of BS that has ever walked onto the stage of world politics. The Israelis have distinguished themselves with continual violations of everything with which they pretend to clothe themselves as being morally better than the rest of us. Example, a minister of the current Israeli government threatens to inflict a Holocaust on the Palestinians in retaliation for scattered rocket and mortar attacks that usually do not even inflict casualties. With this statement alone, the Israelis have convicted themselves of intent to commit genocide. Their brutality and hypocrisy stink to heaven and offend the sensibilities of the world.

    3. The Israelis’ endless fears of being wiped out – despite the fact that they have the largest, best equipped military in the Middle East, despite the fact that they have hundreds of nuclear weapons, despite the fact the U.S. has vowed to use its own military and WMD to defend the Jewish state against any such eventuality – are the most hackneyed, maudlin and propagandistic load of BS that has ever walked onto the stage of world politics. The Israelis have distinguished themselves with continual violations of everything with which they pretend to clothe themselves as being morally better than the rest of us. Example, a minister of the current Israeli government threatens to inflict a Holocaust on the Palestinians in retaliation for scattered rocket and mortar attacks that usually do not even inflict casualties. With this statement alone, the Israelis have convicted themselves of intent to commit genocide. Their brutality and hypocrisy stink to heaven and offend the sensibilities of the world.

  3. What I find most intersesting is the polar shift in rhetoric regarding the entire Isreal/Palestine issue.

    We need to first remember there was no Isreal or Palestine, just Southern Syria. The first propoganda that came out was that the Jews had kicked millions of Palestinians from the land they had been living on from time immemorial. This simply isn’t true the Jews settled a very sparsley populated area. Only after a large immigration of Arabs into Southern Syria did the Jews start their terror campaign. And yes they did use terror to secure their homeland.

    My point isn’t who is right or wrong but the obvious change in rhetoric. First we were told to believe that the Jews had kicked out millions of Arabs now we are told to believe that the Jews can do no wrong, or at the very least they are justified in their ongoing subjugation of the Arabs living in what is now Palestine.

    We are now left believing in two lies. On one side we are to believe that millions of Arabs where forced from the land they had lived on for millenia. This lie was forced down our throats for many years and it was clearly anti Isreali Propoganda. This lie is still believed by most of the world as it was sold to us by the powers that be. It’s also clear that the Arab nations could easily assimilate the refugies from Palestine if they so choose. They won’t becasue it would mean an end to the war against Isreal. The Palestinians are stuck in the middle.

    The second lie is that the Jews have an absolute right to Isreal. Yes there were Jews in what is now Isreal and yes Jews flocked to this area after years of persecution around the world and especially in the Arab nations. However, their refusal to live in peace with their neighbors goes both ways. They continue to build on disputed areas and somehow we are expected to believe they have a right to do this. If the Isreali Government actually wants peace this has to end.

    So here we have it. The Jews didn’t kick out millions of Arabs but we still believe it. The Jews don’t have an absolute right to the land either but if we say anything agains it we are accused of anti-semitism. All this rhetoric has done is fuel the fires. Unfortunatley I believe that is the whole point. We don’t want peace for Isreal or Justice for the Palestinians. We want this war to continue so we can maintain our influence in the region.

    Peace!

    1. Brad Smith wrote:

      >Jews flocked to this area after years of persecution around the world and especially in the Arab nations.

      Surely that should read: …’not especially in the Arab
      nations’…?

      My recollection is that it was Europeans of Jewish ancestry who were subjected to especial persecution. You and I read different history books maybe?

      1. You need to read more history obviously. The subjugation of Jews in the Arab lands has gone on for far longer than in Europe. Jews were treated as less than second class citizens. They were slaughtered, given no rights, and could be stolen from at any time. It’s a fact and you can easily look it up.

        Having said this I am NOT trying to say that the Government of Isreal is in any way correct for their current treatment of the people of Palestine. I am simply pointing out the change in rhetoric, while asserting that the Arab nations are not blameless either.

        1. The subjugation of Jews in the Arab lands has gone on for far longer than in Europe. Jews were treated as less than second class citizens. They were slaughtered, given no rights, and could be stolen from at any time. It’s a fact and you can easily look it up.

          Brad, while I am sure I could easily look it up and find it, I doubt its veracity. I strongly suspect that you’ve been influenced by Zionist propaganda on this point.

          I learned in the late 1970’s from a full professor who was a Middle Eastern specialist (and neither an Arab nor a Jew) that before the Zionist movement, the most tolerant place for a Jew to live was in the Middle East. There were a few isolated incidents of religious violence over the course of many centuries, but nothing like the pogroms of Eastern Europe. I’ve seen this same characterization made by other neutral sources.

          Also remember that when the Moors, who were Muslim, controlled Spain, the Jews there thrived. When the Christians retook control, they started the Inquisition that was primarily about persecuting Jews.

    2. We need to first remember there was no Isreal or Palestine, just Southern Syria. The first propoganda that came out was that the Jews had kicked millions of Palestinians from the land they had been living on from time immemorial. This simply isn’t true the Jews settled a very sparsley populated area. Only after a large immigration of Arabs into Southern Syria did the Jews start their terror campaign. And yes they did use terror to secure their homeland.

      Wow, that is some really interesting history. So, you’re saying that Jerusalem, the single most important spot on Earth for Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike, was “sparsely populated” until the Zionists arrived?

      Would you care to provide sources for your information so we can properly direct the derision and laughter?

      1. Your lack of knowledge is really not my problem. Look it up for yourself. It’s a fact. The population of what is now Palestine was decimated by the mid 1800’s. I didn’t say it was non existant but it was sparcely populated in comparison with the current population or it’s past population. Furthermore, I was talking about the whole area not one small part of it.

        1. We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return.
          – David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948.1

          Let us not today fling accusations at the murderers. Who are we that we should argue against their hatred? For eight years now they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their very eyes, we turn into our homestead the land and the villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.”
          – Moshe Dyan (Israeli Defense Minister during the Israeli-Arab war, 1967), 1953.2

          “The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”…. Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time – August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

          The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

          When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

          There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed.” Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

          The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 19 March 1972.

          David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

          Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969

          We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

          We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

          It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

          We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).

          We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not…You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.” (Chaim Weizmann, Published in “Judische Rundschau,” No. 4, 1920)

        2. “I didn’t say it was non existant but it was sparcely populated in comparison with the current population or it’s past population.”

          How many places on Earth were not sparsely populated in comparison to their current population?

      2. Abraham: Have you even studied Islamic history or culture? You think Jerusalem is the most sacred spot for them? That’s funny, I always thought they prayed towards Mecca. I always thought that making a trip to Mecca, not Jerusalem, was one of the five pillars of the Islamic faith. I always thought that Jeruslem was only the third holiest site for Muslims, behind Mecca and Medina.

      1. While I will agree that the book FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL; THE ORIGINS OF THE ARAB JEWSISH CONFLICT OVER PALESTINE was terribly written and obviously biased. The majority of her facts have never been contradicted. They are unconfortable facts that most people would like to ignore and her writting style made that easy to do. However, if you actually research the core theory you will find that it does in fact hold up.

        1. From Time Immemorial is work of propaganda, with all the bad connotations that term carries. Peters’ case rests upon distortion and fabrication. Time and again, she misconstrues sources in a tendentious manner. She cribs uncritically from partisan works. She conceals crucial calculations, and draws hard conclusions from tenuous evidence. She speculates wildly and without ground. She exaggerates figures and selects numbers to suit her thesis. She adduces evidence that in no way supports her claims, sometimes even omitting “inconvenient” portions of the citation. She invents contradictions in sources she wishes to discredit by quoting them out of context. She “forgets” undesirable numbers in her calculations. She ignores sources that cast doubt on her conclusions, even when she herself uses those sources for other purposes. She makes baseless insinuations and misleading claims.

          Peters’ distortions apply, not simply to minor issues, but to the central pieces of evidence for the principal contentions of her book. Her claim that the majority of Arabs in pre-state Israel were recent arrivals is false, as is her related assertion about the vast majority of Palestinian refugees. Her contention that Arab immigrants were filling the places Jews had cleared for other Jews is untrue. Her view that the League of Nations Mandate was intended to make Palestine into a Jewish state has no valid basis, nor is is true that the British created the Transjordan in violation of the Mandate. Peters’ claim of a nineteenth-century Jewish majority is misleading at best; her thesis that the first Jewish settlements lured significant numbers of Arabs into Palestine is fiction.

          As with all successful disinformation, the distortions are placed within a wider context of truth; not everything Peters says is a lie. Palestine was in fact sparsely populated when Jewish colonization began. Arab nationalism did not yet exist, let alone Palestinian nationalism. When the British took over they unjustly restricted Jewish immigration into Palestine while Arabs immigrated into the territory. After the Arab violence of the late 1930s, British appeasement slowed Jewish immigration to a trickle. Ultimately, Jews who sought to escape the Holocaust were turned away from the Jewish National Home, even while “emergency arrangements” were taken to bring in Arab immigrant laborers. Had Peters let the facts speak for themselves, she would have had a dramatic, compelling story to tell.

          But Peters wishes to do more; she wants to destroy, definitively, the claims of Palestinian nationalism–and she wishes to do so without rejecting Jewish nationalism. Thus her focus on demography; the essence of her case is: “The Arabs are latecomers to Palestine and so have less right to be there than the Jews.” But torture the numbers as she will, she cannot escape the fact that the Arabs in Palestine in the late nineteenth century outnumbered the Jews. Hence, she contends that those Arabs had no national “identity,” that they considered themselves Ottoman subjects or Southern Syrians, but certainly not Palestinians. And if today’s Arabs wish to live in a Palestinian state, they should move to Jordan.

          Peters’ fundamental premise, then, is ethnic nationalism. Why else waste ink trying to show, in essence, that the Palestinians are not the descendants of the Canaanites, who inhabited the land before the Israelites arrived? Such arguments are utterly pointless. Ethnicity entitles no one to a state–not Arabs, and not Jews either. The right of sovereignty does not reside in numerical superiority or “peoplehood” or a “continuous presence in the land” or “ethnic self-determination”; it rests on a government’s respect for individual rights. Once such a government exists, no ethnic separatist has any valid claim against it.

          Peters’ book does not simply distort the facts, then; it is a philosophically repugnant enterprise from the start. Ethnic nationalism has produced most of the wars in the last half century; Arab opposition to Israel rests largely on the same foundation. The doctrine of ethnic self-determination has no valid intellectual basis; given the bloodshed it has caused it deserves not respect but unequivocal repudiation.

          http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2140

      2. Yes the book FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL was terribly written and obviosly bias, but the core theory is fact. I understand that it is uncomfortable to read these facts. especially how they were presented, but none the less it is what it is. In it’s presentation and form it is obviously Zionist propoganda. However, facts are facts.

        I also find it interesting that the defenders of the Palestinian plight will never allow that the Arab nations played any part in it. Yes the Isreali Government is dispicable in it’s treatment of Palestine but the Arab nations haven’t been doing all they could to help.

        By the way I am not pro-Isreal or pro-Palestine. I don’t believe the US Government should have anything to do with either side. Not one more cent of our money should be spent supporting Isreal or Palestine or anyone else in the world for that matter. Private donations are fine and often honorable, but it should not be the policy of the US to pick sides in any conflict.

    3. But the biggest joke is that the Ashkenazi, the Thirteenth Tribe of Twelve-Tribe Israel, aren’t Semites and their educated elite is aware of this. The only Semites in Israel and its occupied territories are Arabs and the ethnically identical minority of Oriental Jews who were allowed in since 1948. So now we have this eastern European Askenazi elite, which also includes some of the most eloquent anti-Zionists, arguing among themselves about who or what is anti-Semitic.

    4. The Africaaners tried to defend their racist and apartheid government of post war South Africa by stating that the original Boers came to an empty land and that the Zulus and Bantus came later. It didn’t work for them and it won’t work for Israel.
      Defense of Israel is one of the great moral rottings of our country today. I’ve watched the Presidential candidates be forced to genuflect to Israel (publically renouncing any supporters who weren’t 100% Zionist). Some like Hillary are well trained dogs who jump through the hoops without even being asked to. I will vote for none of these cowards. Let’s see if they can get Ralph Nader to obey.

      1. The Zulus are Bantu.

        The Dutch, and other other Europeans, and the Zulu arrived in the area at roughly the same time, and both contributed to the extermination of the Hottentot.

        The Bushmen, with some others of the same group, anciently in the area, have managed to survive, perhaps in part by virtue of being already autochthonous to what Firesign Theater called, in relation to where many Amerindians were reservationed, the Stinking Desert.

        1. You are right – but it does not affect my point – time of arrival was not sufficient reason to institute apartheid and abuse human rights.

    5. “We need to first remember there was no Isreal or Palestine, just Southern Syria.”

      More commonly known as the British Mandate of Palesine.

      “The first propoganda that came out was that the Jews had kicked millions of Palestinians from the land they had been living on from time immemorial.”

      I’ve never heard this “millions” before; it’s a red herring. It was hundreds of thousands, and as far as I know, that’s all it’s ever been. This number of displaced persons has grown to millions over decades, so this can hardly be considered the first “propaganda”.

      “This simply isn’t true the Jews settled a very sparsley populated area.”

      I guess it may be sparse to western urban dwellers who view average populations over the whole of a piece of land while ignoring sparsely distributed towns and cities. Just look at readily available maps from hundreds of years ago to see the many towns and villages that have been there for ages. A cattle rancher’s land is pretty sparsely populated too. Doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be criminal to steal it from him.

      “Only after a large immigration of Arabs into Southern Syria did the Jews start their terror campaign.”

      This is part of the Zionist propaganda.

      “And yes they did use terror to [steal the Palestinians’] homeland.”

      “This lie…”

      …can easily be understood as true simply by reading the quotes of David Ben-Gurion. Yes, the tale is told in extremes on both sides but the fact remains that the Palestinian people were expelled from their homelands in a brutal campaign.

      “It’s also clear that the Arab nations could easily assimilate the refugies from Palestine if they so choose.”

      You seem to be forgetting the fact that the Palestinians don’t want to move. They’re being forced to move. Even if they did decide they wanted to lose their homes, lands, and history at gunpoint, it would now be up to the other Arab countries to provide for these people at considerable financial and social expense. Funny how quickly people forget — or outright ignore — the same reactions that West Germans had at the thought of assimilating East Germans. Or that Americans have at the social and financial expense of assimilating Mexicans.

      “They won’t becasue it would mean an end to the war against Isreal.”

      Yeah, dem Ayrabs have been attacking Israel nonstop for decades, haven’t they?

      I won’t bother answering your token attempt at balance here.

      1. Many Palestinians would like to move into their neighboring Arab nations but are not allowed to do so.

        As for not bothering to answer my token attempt at balance here, you just did.

        And anyone can see that the Arab nations are using the Palestinian people in a proxy war against Isreal.

        Again I am not justifying the treatment of the Palestinian People be Isreal. I was talking about the rhetoric that has come from both sides.

        1. It is quite balanced, both sides are wrong. It seems to me that everyone on this site seems to see things in black and white. Wake up life is grey! Picking one side over the other when they are both being ignorant is Well ignorant.

        2. Excuse me, how are the Palestinians wrong? Their land was taken from them both by force and through political chicanery, and you are calling them wrong for wanting it back?

          Not only that, but the majority of them have been living in occupation hell for the past 60 years, and you say they are half to blame?

          Ever heard of the Geneva Conventions and the right to resistance?

          Did you also call Hitler’s victims wrong? How about Stalin’s? Pol Pot’s? Was every side opposed to their aggressor throughout history half wrong?

        3. I have not said they are wrong for wanting it back. However, if you would like to get into it, what is wrong is their tactics. bombing innocent people is not right no matter how much you wish it to be. If you can explain to me how it is fine for the Palestinian people to kill Israeli children I might change my mind. But don’t hold your breath. I condemn the violence of both sides. Do you? Or do you think it’s OK to kill children.

          I say they are half to blame. Where did I say that? Furthermore what percent of blame do you think they have? Zero?

          Yes the Jews stole their land and want to keep stealing more. Again this is not new. the Palestinians have been shafted no doubt. But it is not only the Isaelis who have screwed them but also fellow Arabs.

          Furthermore, at this point it is just as unrealistic to think they will get back all their land as it is to think the Native Americans will get back all their land. The time has come to draw a line and enter into a two state solution. Nothing else will work. Short of this you will see Israel continue to steal more land and continue to subjugate the Palestinian people. Every time a bomb kills even one Israeli they have yet another excuse to kill, steal, and oppress.

          The failure of people to see the facts as they are not as how they wish them to be is the problem. Israel has the ability to destroy the entire Arab world. Face it it’s a fact. The Arab nations will not drive them from what they now have. The only realistic solution is concession. If the Palestinian people truly want the world support they deserve they need to stop killing Innocent people. With peacefull resistance they can gain what they have failed to achieve with decades of violence.

          Peace!

  4. Funny how no other race, on the entire planet, has a special word for racism directed at them.

    1. Actually there’s a special word for racism against gypsies too… I can’t remember what it is offhand… which I guess we can attribute to the lack of people condemning you as an anti-gypsy racist for criticizing the policies of any given government.

  5. Two thirds of the population of Palistine was Arab in 1948.About 850,000 Arab Palistinians were expelled from their homes and about 100,000 Arabs were allowed to stay in Israel as very second class citizens.This has multiplied to well over 6 million Palistinans with second class citizenship or no civil rights at all.This can’t go on forever,something has to break somewhere.The USA is almost bankrupt, we can’t keep carrying the albatross Israel on our backs much longer.

  6. Criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism? Oh bulls*#t! The U.S. State Department has been soiled and rolling in disgraceful treason for so long, even the south bound business end of a skunk headed north, seems like the “logical” conclusion to insanity. Dear State Department and Condo ‘the queen of diplomatic cannibalism’, blow it out your arse!!!

    1. You didn’t get it, ah ?Systematic bias, lies and unfounded propaganda, wich is “routine” now against Israel can lead to Antisemitism.

      Not to mention the appropriation by some Arab countries of a fascist, Communist or Nazi rethoric as well as propagating in libraries the notorious fake “The Elders of Zion” and others.

      Basta ! Ciao..

      1. Well, that’s a can of horses**t. What we do know for certain is that Israel has appropriated the tactics of the Nazis with its ghettoization of the Palestinians, not to mention the wholesale slaughtered inflicted upon them day after day, week after week.

  7. I’m always amazed how it’s somehow wrong to even suggest that isrial can be wrong on many topics. In 2005 I sent over $5K to help feed children who had no families in the nation of Isrial yet when I vistied I could not find the address. I then asked for help withthe local police and they didn’t seem to care that a organisation to help feed orphan children in Isrial never made it to the correct people…..

    What about the USS Liberty? Should we never discuss the fact that Isrial tried to sink our ship?

    Should we not hold Isrial accountable for the muder of people enjoying the beach while they simply drove a boat down the beach and open fire?

    How far has our own nation fallen when we try to limit free speech?

    Well, I will not in anyway agree to refrain from open talk about such issues when Isrial has been at fault for many issues.

    Why is it that our elected officals seem to be more concerned wiith Isrial then our own nation?

    Why is it that our leadreship says they support Isrial and provide all these stupid suggestion yet provide more cash and arms to Isrial’s enemies? Such actions need to be discussed in an open forum before the people of the US.

    For god sakes people since when should we treat anyone different and if we do are’t we guiltiy of showing favor to one group over another?

    We must repect the Jews and we must repect our nation and now bow to any nation. I have friends who are Jews and they are wonderful people and we even talk about these issues but I have never had a single one of my Jewish friends imply that I was an anti-semite…..

    I suppose the Neocon agenda will never follow reason so why try to understand it…. Let’s just take over congress and the Senate and kick out all nations who want to lobby our nation to do there evil work…

    Let’s get ride of the ADL or at the very least remove them from the pocket of congress, etc. We when have just and fair leaders as Christ calls for then we will see real peace…. In fact the peace plans that Bush has proposed will only lead to death of more Jews and the Jewish people realize the leadership of Isrial as just as dishonest as our leadership.

    I suppose a good question to consider would be why allow any laws to be passed by our presidnet who has the lowest rating of any aside from Nixon?

    I love the people of Isrial but I also have friends who oppose Isrial and oddly my Jewish friends are also frrinds with many of Isrial enemies? I wonder why?

  8. I find it bizarre that “Anti-Semite” has any credibilty as an epithet from supporters of Israel, as Jews make up maybe ten percent of the world’s Semites, the rest being Arabs and Ethiopians. It’s even more ironic when ninety percent of the Israeli population itself is Caucasian. Don’t get sucked in by such manipulative semantics, and call it out whenever you hear it being used.

  9. This joke of a policy document was certainly written by Benjamin Netanyahoo. If it was truly written by an “objective” State Department then they just out-zionized the Zionists. Surely the House of Representatives will have to respond with an even more strongly worded resolution condemning the Palestinians for not submitting to Israeli occupation and praising the Israelis and expressing solidarity with them for being so brave and so Jewish.

    Why don’t we just declare Israel the 51st state already? At least that way we can collect taxes from the bastards instead of the other way around.

    1. Well, Israel does have a star on its flag. Recently I realized that there is widespread tendency (not here) to refer to Israel as the ‘State of Israel’. Does anyone ever say the ‘State of France’ or whatever country?

    2. Why don’t we just declare Israel the 51st state already? At least that way we can collect taxes from the bastards instead of the other way around.

      Sorry, but it’s too late. Israel has already annexed the U.S. and is now collecting taxes from us.

  10. Tenth Emergency Special Session of the General Assembly on the Item”Illegal Israeli Actions in the Occupied East Jerusalem and the Rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory”, 7 April 2002

    ……..Mr. President,

    The Security Council has passed a number of important resolutions on Palestine. Two of these resolutions, 1402 and 1403, call for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from Palestinian territory without delay. However, Israel has yet to withdraw its forces from Palestine. Instead, the Israeli army has invaded more Palestinian towns. Resolution 1405 welcomed the Secretary-General’s initiative to send a fact-finding mission to investigate the events in Jenin. But after many days of prevarication and obstruction, Israel eventually forced the Secretary-General to disband his high-profile fact-finding team. The problem is that the Security Council still does not seem to know what to do when the Israeli Government chooses to ignore the Security Council’s authority.

    To people throughout the world it makes little difference whether the Security Council has met virtually everyday on Palestine or whether the Security Council authorised, mandated or merely welcomed the deployment of the fact-finding team. The point is that the Security Council unanimously agreed that it is in the best interest of both parties, the Israelis and the Palestinians, and indeed the entire international community, that the truth behind the events in Jenin be established. The accusations, suspicions and controversy behind what actually happened in Jenin have not died down, nor are they likely to do so. As the Secretary-General said in his letter to the President of the Security Council on the disbanding of the Jenin fact-finding team dated 1 May 2002, “I regret being unable to provide the information requested by the Council in resolution 1405, and especially that the long shadow cast by recent events in the Jenin refugee camp will remain in the absence of such a fact-finding exercise”.

    Through its own actions, the Israeli Government has led us to the perception that the truth is something that they would wish to hide. But as we all know, the truth will ultimately prevail.

    Mr. President,

    The people of Palestine look to the General Assembly as their last recourse. Every Member State has an obligation to take a stand on the crisis in the Middle East. This is no time for moral ambivalence and double standards. The time has come to allow the wider international community to articulate its views and to send a clear and unambiguous message to the Government of Israel that international law and human rights are non-negotiable. This resolution before you seeks to do precisely that. We wish to leave the Government of Israel in no doubt that its recent military incursions far exceeded the boundaries of the right to self-defence.

    Furthermore, we want it to be known that Israel’s actions cannot be justified on the grounds of counter-terrorism. Combating terrorism does not license any State to disregard international laws and humanitarian norms. There can be no valid comparison drawn between the fight against international terrorism and fighting against the legitimate struggle of the Palestinian people to end foreign occupation…………………..
    http://www.nam.gov.za/media/020705is.htm

    1. Israel rules USA. and USA uses all its weight to shield whatever Israel wishes to do
      Even the Security councils is powerless to do anything. how stupid does it look in the light of Israel ignoring 69 UN resolution without a threat of an embargo or else.

      UN and security Council are simple a useless body as far as Israel is concerned.
      But when it comes to Iraq Libya and other small states the UN uses all the resources to crush them

      Palestine is a stark and continuous reminder of what Security council and UN means to these small states.

  11. Thanks to Jim Lobe once more for an excellent and succinct analysis.

    The mention of Jimmy Carter is a key connection.

    It is also noted that, besides the many secular Jews who have no brief for Israel or its policies, there are also many actively anti-Zionist religious Jews, the most dedicated among them several orthodox groups, who consider the “statification” of Biblical “Israel” by Zionism a dangerous heresy

    There are many other analogues in western history as well, including those Italians who opposed the secular realm of the Roman Catholic Church, most expansive under the Borgias, father and son.

    Exactly because of the political interests of that religious state, the Bishop of Rome was later and for long years an enemy of the unification of Italy, Italian Independence and Republicanism, and of the Garibaldists who eventually unified most of the peninsular and confined the Papacy’s secular realm to the Vatican.

    The anti-Semitism of many of the Christian Zionists is also pertinent.

    One danger of the equation of anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism is the possibility that the political excesses of the Neo-Cons, some many of whom are Jews and all of whom are Zionist, and the conduct of the state of Israel under the Likud, will ultimately foment the very anti-Semitism this false formula supposedly indicts.

  12. Miriam S:

    The embryonic Israel never “had to fight for its survival in the early days against surrounding Arab regimes” and has not constantly been “on the brink of being wiped out”. In 1947-48 the Zionist armed forces numbered about 90,000 well-trained and well-equipped troops, many with battle experience in WW2. The combined armed forces of the neighboring Arab states totalled less than 50,000, most of them more or less useless in combat. The exception was the Jordanian Arab legion, staffed mostly by British officers.

    The Zionists made a deal that allowed Jordan to occupy the territory known as the West Bank, in defiance of the UN, but refused to partition Jerusalem. The only serious fighting at the time was between the Zionists and the Jordanians for control of the city.

    The existence of the state of Israel has never been in jeopardy, especially since the Zionists developed nuclear weapons.

    Virtually all the Zionist combat actions in the 1940s and early 50s consisted of “search and destroy” missions in accordance with Plan Dalet, a detailed program for the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. These missions involved wholesale slaughter, rape and destruction. The following is an account by a soldier who participated in the occupation of the Palestinian village of Duelma in 1948, published on 9 June 1979 in Davar, a newspaper owned by Histadrut:

    “Killed between 80 to 100 Arabs, women and children. To kill the children they fractured their heads with sticks. There was not one house without corpses. The men and women of the villages were pushed into houses without food or water. Then the saboteurs came to dynamite the houses. One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a house he was about to blow up. . . . Another soldier prided himself upon having raped an Arab woman before shooting her to death. Another Arab woman with her newborn baby was made to clean the place for a couple of days, and then they shot her and the baby. Educated and well-mannered commanders who were considered “good guys”. . . became base murderers, and this not in the storm of battle, but as a method of expulsion and extermination. The fewer the Arabs who remain, the better”.

    How many Israeli villages have been destsroyed by Palestinians?

    For external consumption, the Zionists have always pretended that they represent the “Jewish race” (term used by the German Zionist Association in the 1930s). They do not and did not. They were/are interested in attracting young Jews to Palestine as breeders and warriors.

    E.g. when after Kristallnacht in 1938 a number of British MPs proposed that all Jewish children in Germany be given automatic visas to enter the UK, David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli prime minister, a heroic icon in Zionism) told a meeting of Labour Zionists: ”Were I to know that all German Jewish children could be rescued by transferring them to England and only half by transfer to Palestine, I would opt for the latter, because our concern is not the personal interest of these children, but the historic interest of the Jewish people.” (Ben-Gurion and the Holocaust, by Shabtai Teveth (Israeli historian), Harcourt Brace, 1997.)

    The Zionist leadership has made it perfectly clear that murder and ethnic cleansing are prime factors in the strategy for building the “Jewish state”, which neither I nor millions of of other Jews want to live in. Criticism of Israel is criticism of Zionism, and is not anti-Semitism.

    David Ben Gurion: ”If I were an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural; we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs…There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only know but one thing; we have come here and stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted in The Jewish Paradox: A personal memoir of historic encounters that shaped the drama of modern Jewry, Nathan Goldmann, Fred Gordon Books/Grosset & Dunlap, 1978.

    “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” David Ben Gurion, first Prime Minister of Israel, to the General Staff. Quoted in “Ben-Gurion, A Biography”, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

    I strongly recommend anyone interested in the history of Israel to read:
    The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, by Ilan Pappe, Israeli historian
    The Iron Wall, by Avi Shlaim, Israeli historian
    The Secret Diaries of Moses Sharett, first Israeli foreign minister, later prime minister – available on the Internet
    Atrocities in the Promised Land, article by Kathleen Christison, former CIA analyst, sepcialized in Middle East issues for 30 years – available on the Internet

  13. It was the intent of Israel to kill every last sailor on the USS Liberty. They nearly succeeded, but not for lack of effort. By any current measure Israel has succeeded in murder. Successive Administrations have done nothing to hold Israel accountable.. Worse the US government has chosen to cover up this heinous crime. This cover-up makes our government complicit in the murder of these sailors. We’re talking treason here.

    Israel is now doing to the Palestinians what it tried to do to the USS Liberty.

    The neocons can shove it where the sun don’t shine. Patriots, real Americans, know Israel, that miserable, ungrateful little excuse for a nation, is our enemy and THE problem in the ME.
    Those who support Israel have my contempt-forever.

  14. State Dept: Criticism of Israel = Anti-Antisemitism?

    US government debated Israel and made law in favour of Israel more than 700 times in the past 20 years

    No US states got that much attentions

    If Israel was the 52nd states one would not care or even notice

    I just wonder whether USA is the third state of Israel , because the Knesset debates Palestine more often.

  15. The number of Arabs that fled Israel in 48 is almost equal to the number of Jews kicked out of Arab countries. Those Jews are now citizens in Israel like anybody else. But the Palestinians in Arab countries are forced to live in refugee camps, and their children are considered refugees to increase the pressure on Israel. There’s no chance for peace like that, these poor people are forced to strife for the destruction of Israel instead of just letting them live like humans. Even the UN helps it by considering them refugees and feeding them so the Arab hosts can hold them in big prisons. All this cruelty is inflicted upon Palestinians for the sake of war against Israel.

  16. Did you notice the slavery of the candidates competing to please Israel Obama HIlary and McBush all doing their utmost best to prove that they really care about Israel more than anything else

    How low can USA go is up to Israel really

    How sorry can someone really feel about US public for voting for such minable

  17. Soooo, USA- how does it feel to be Israel's jailhouse punk again? I am appalled that Israel has so much influence over our government- and not that of the US, but over that of many nations around the world. The time will come, no doubt, when the thinking citizens of the world say "ENOUGH!" and put an end to Zionist subversion of their naitonal interests.

    As a second to this, I make a distinction between Israel the State and Judaism the Religion as do many others. If Israel/the Jews perceive riticism of Israel as Anti-Semitism, it is because THEY have shoved it down our throats that Israel *IS* Judaism embodied.

    I am sick of it, and at this point want nothing more than for my beloved nation- the United States of America- to cut all military and financial aid to Israel. Israel has its own nuclear weapons and (until thrashed by Hezbollah) one of the most modern militaries of the world. If Israel insists on being treated like a real nation, it's time they DEFEND THEMSELVES for a change. Oh, wait- they're outnumbered by surrounding Arab nations who they've spent decades pissing off? Oh, well- so sorry. You made your bed, Israel- you lie in it. In peace.

  18. State Dept: Criticism of Israel = Anti-Semitism?

    Is A historic collective myopic-ism of the state department.

    A laughing stock to rest of the world
    How did they come to that collectively is mind boggling.

    Do they all really think the same thing. no one thought that something wrong with the statement. Isn’t that quiet impossible to fathom.
    WOW
    Made only in USA

  19. State Dept: Criticism of Israel = Anti-Semitism?

    A portion of the states dept statement.

    “For example, various United Nations bodies are asked each year on multiple occasions to commission investigations of what often are sensationalized reports of alleged atrocities and other violations of human rights by Israel. Various bodies have been set up within the UN system with the sole purpose of reporting on what is assumed to be ongoing, abusive Israeli behavior.”

    The state dept is directly criticizing various UN bodies,
    To the state dept all these bodies must all wrong.
    Because in USA it is forbidden to criticize Israel. USA cannot and will not cross the line, USA is prepared to order all these UN bodies out of USA
    Maybe better closed down or relocate the UN

  20. Plain and simple, Israel is an outlaw nation and our tax dollars are being stolen by our own government to prop up a nation that is a criminal enterprise. Israel and our own state dept uses the anti-semitism canard to keep the American public silent.

    Around the world (and to a large extent even in the USA) everyone knows that Israel is worse than the apartheid regime of south africa.

    it is interesting to note that Obama just denounced his pastor for expressing the following..

    One of the statements that have been most replayed this week comes from the sermon Mr. Wright delivered following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

    “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards,” he said. “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/us/politics/15wright.html

    Israel has got all our politicians (except for Ron Paul) right in the palm of their hands and all our money too..

    Another interesting point is that Israel gets aid not only from the USA but from many of the European govt as well. So the Tax payers of Germany, France, Belgium and god knows how many other places just send money to the outlaw, mafia like state.. No wonder they want the gravy train to continue. Unfortunetly the money never really makes it to the common israeli, it goes instead into the coffers of the well connected while the holocaust survivors starve..

    I am not an anti-semite I am anti-Israel there is a BIG difference, in fact if the US Gov gave all citizens of Israel the permission to migrate to the USA I would not object in the least. But you know who would object the loudest to such a proposal? the Israel first crowd would because they just want to steal all the land in the middle east from the Arabs and lord over them. Israel is not interested in peace only in war crimes

  21. This anti-Semitic nonsense has become boring and meaningless–if everyone is an antiSemite, then no one is an anti-Semite, because the word is now devoid of all meaning. It’s one of those attack words that people who cannot support an argument use to shut down their opponents.

    Isreal has too strong an influence on American foreign Policy. Politicians, intimidated and threatened by AIPAC, put Israeli interests above the interests of The United States. These statement are true.

    The News media is intimidated by Israeli and Jewish influence. How many times do we see the misery and maltreatment of The Palestinians braodcast? None. Has there ever been any in depth coverage of Walt and Mersheimer’s observations? There has been very little. And how about the Israeli spies rounded up the day of 9/11, or the transfer of classified material to the Israelis? Nothing. A little insignificant country in The Middle East has created a colony of The United States.

    These things are also true.If they are anti-Semitic then truth itself is anti-Semitic. Maybe that is what this government now believes. Truth equals anti Semitism. Sounds like a slogan for the Bush , the McCain, and the Zionist new world order.

  22. Miriam S:

    The embryonic Israel never “had to fight for its survival in the early days against surrounding Arab regimes” and has not constantly been “on the brink of being wiped out”. In 1947-48 the Zionist armed forces numbered about 90,000 well-trained and well-equipped troops, many with battle experience in WW2. The combined armed forces of the neighboring Arab states totalled less than 50,000, most of them more or less useless in combat. The exception was the Jordanian Arab legion, staffed mostly by British officers.

    The Zionists made a deal that allowed Jordan to occupy the territory known as the West Bank, in defiance of the UN, but refused to partition Jerusalem. The only serious fighting at the time was between the Zionists and the Jordanians for control of the city.

    The existence of the state of Israel has never been in jeopardy, especially since the Zionists developed nuclear weapons.

    Virtually all the Zionist combat actions in the 1940s and early 50s consisted of “search and destroy” missions in accordance with Plan Dalet, a detailed program for the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. These missions involved wholesale slaughter, rape and destruction. The following is an account by a soldier who participated in the occupation of the Palestinian village of Duelma in 1948, published on 9 June 1979 in Davar, a newspaper owned by Histadrut:

    “Killed between 80 to 100 Arabs, women and children. To kill the children they fractured their heads with sticks. There was not one house without corpses. The men and women of the villages were pushed into houses without food or water. Then the saboteurs came to dynamite the houses. One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a house he was about to blow up. . . . Another soldier prided himself upon having raped an Arab woman before shooting her to death. Another Arab woman with her newborn baby was made to clean the place for a couple of days, and then they shot her and the baby. Educated and well-mannered commanders who were considered “good guys”. . . became base murderers, and this not in the storm of battle, but as a method of expulsion and extermination. The fewer the Arabs who remain, the better”.

    How many Israeli villages have been destsroyed by Palestinians?
    For external consumption, the Zionists have always pretended that they represent the “Jewish race” (term used by the German Zionist Association in the 1930s). They do not and did not. They were/are interested in attracting young Jews to Palestine as breeders and warriors.

    E.g. when after Kristallnacht in 1938 a number of British MPs proposed that all Jewish children in Germany be given automatic visas to enter the UK, David Ben-Gurion (first Israeli prime minister, a heroic icon in Zionism) told a meeting of Labour Zionists: ”Were I to know that all German Jewish children could be rescued by transferring them to England and only half by transfer to Palestine, I would opt for the latter, because our concern is not the personal interest of these children, but the historic interest of the Jewish people.” (Ben-Gurion and the Holocaust, by Shabtai Teveth (Israeli historian), Harcourt Brace, 1997.)

    The Zionist leadership has made it perfectly clear that murder and ethnic cleansing are prime factors in the strategy for building the “Jewish state”, which neither I nor millions of of other Jews want to live in. Criticism of Israel is criticism of Zionists, and is not anti-Semitism.

    David Ben Gurion: ”If I were an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural; we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs…There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only know but one thing; we have come here and stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” Quoted in The Jewish Paradox: A personal memoir of historic encounters that shaped the drama of modern Jewry, Nathan Goldmann, Fred Gordon Books/Grosset & Dunlap, 1978.

    “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” David Ben Gurion, first Prime Minister of Israel, to the General Staff. Quoted in “Ben-Gurion, A Biography”, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

    I strongly recommend the following to anyone interested in the history of Israel:
    The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, by Ilan Pappe, Israeli historian
    The Iron Wall, by Avi Shlaim, Israeli historian
    The Secret Diaries of Moses Sharett, first Israeli foreign minister, later prime minister – available on the Internet
    Atrocities in the Promised Land, article by Kathleen Christison, former CIA analyst, specialized in Middle East issues for 30 years – available on the Internet

  23. At Culture of Life News,we discuss how there is a continuos double standard Americans have concerning Palestine and all other religious/ethnic struggles and riots. The recent riots in Tibet are reported totally differently from similar actions in Palestine.

    The Palestinians, if they turn over Jewish cars and throw rocks at Jewish military or police are called ‘terrorists’ and the US is indifferent if they are shot dead. Or if the IDF kills non-rioting women, children, old people in wheel chairs, etc.

    The strident Jews within the State Department and in our media have worked long and hard to prevent anyone on earth to discuss honestly what is going on in Palestine. Anyone who dares to do this is destroyed one way or another. Or locked out of the media. Note how irritated they were with Ron Paul openly talking about this and Jimmy Carter, a President of the USA, has been disappeared totally! Ever see him in the news anymore?

    This action by powerful Jews is just part of the Apocalypse machinery. The day they get absolute power is the same day they lose all power. This is the whole paradox: success leads to annihilation.

    The resentment towards Israel and how they abuse their power here in the US is rising every day. It gets worse and worse the more they try to restrict conversations about this and the more they bottle up genuine discussion of Israeli Jewish crimes.

    I lost a lot of readers when I began the simple act of pointing out if an Israeli was a Jew or a Muslim or a Christian. So if a gang of Israeli Jews shot a Palestinian Christian girl dead, I would use the correct designation of the parties involved.

    The fury this caused was amazing. My Jewish readers said it was anti-semitic to point out this obvious. ‘You cannot use the word “Jew” to describe us!’ claimed one reader. I asked, ‘What should I call a Jewish person who is committing atrocities?’

    ‘Just call him an “Israeli”,’ she said. But this is a mask. For not all Israelis are Jews so the two are NOT the same at all. The Jews in Israel and in the American media ALWAYS say, ‘A MUSLIM did….’ all the time. If a citizen of Israel is Muslim, this is always a big point but if a Jew does anything, they suddenly are only Israelis. This is deliberate. They want us to automatically think ‘Jew=Israeli’ and to black out ‘Muslim/Arab/Christian=Israeli’.

    The plan is to carefully withdraw the pitiful remaining civil rights of the natives of Palestine within the pre-1967 borders as well as ghettoizing the natives outside the borders. Note the comments here above that pretend there was a flood of Muslims who were deliberately flooding into Palestine when the Jews began their terrorist attacks in the 1930’s!

    The same double standard: the Jews may invade and claim primacy but no one else may.

    The internet has undone the Jewish hammerlock on US media and information flows. This disconcerts them to a point, the neo-con dual citizens are maliciously destroying our Constitution in order to impose on us their own system. Like the coo-coo bird shoving others out of the nest, we are seeing one civil right after another, vanish. The fact that Obama had to apologize for his pastor telling the truth is most revealing. I will note that in most news stories, what the pastor said isn’t revealed. Or it is paraphrased or taken out of context.

    But I sense the tide is turning. The USS Liberty story is growing, not shrinking. More people are demanding more information concerning this matter. And more people are finally aware of the dual citizen deals and the money that flows to Israeli Jews via Congress and sweetheart contracts. As things fall apart here, the rage over this will explode. This is why the Jews doing these awful things want some way to suppress free speech in America.

  24. My apologies if this has already been mentioned. . .The Jews are not a race, they are members of the faith of Judaism. The Zionists are in direct conflict with the Torah, as the Land of Canaan is not political property, but rather a state of religious awareness, and thus the Zionists blaspheme the Torah. As it goes, God put the Jew into Exile, and only God can remove the Jew from Exile. The Zionists are not God, in any way, shape, or form.

  25. Come off it. I’m not a neo-conservative, nor even a conservative; just a straightforward British lliberal. But I think this report hits the nail on the head. Criticism of Israel need not be anti-Semitim, but a hell of a lot of the time it most certainly is. And the myth about Israel being an apartheid state just doesn’t stand up to the light of day and has been criticized by many anti-apartheid campaigners. There isn’t a shred of evidence for it. There are no apartheid laws, there is no segregation on transport or in public places, Arabs have equal rights to schooling and university admission, they serve in the Knesset, they serve on the Supreme Court, and they are diplomats abroad. Some ‘apartheid’. It’s good to hear someone speaking out in an official capacity to condemn this outrageous neo-Nazi nonsense.

    1. What nonsense. Segregation is a fact of life for Arab Israelis. They do NOT go to the same schools, their right to lease land is restricted, their villages and towns are economically strangled, their homes are regularly demolished, their applications to repair their homes are almost always rejected, thus criminalizing them for maintaining their shelter. They are subjected to a constant threat of ‘transfer’ in political dialogue, their right to debate an Israeli constitution is restricted, they clearly receive unjust treatment from a sham ‘justice’ system.

      Add to that the fact that the IDF builds most of their bases that would be targets in arab areas.

      I’d suggest you read some facts and reject the propaganda.

    2. All you have proven is that self-described “straightforward British liberals” can be as self-delusional and misguided as anyone.

  26. and promoting anti-Semitic attitudes may not be the conscious intent of the purveyor

    This is a truly pathetic attempt to make the argument bulletproof. See, you can be an Anti-Semite and not even know it! So you had better just bleat “four legs good two legs bad” and don’t even think about whether actions of the Israeli government are right or wrong.

    The State Dept can just forget it, I’m not buying.

  27. Using this logic, couldn’t we argue that increasing support for Israel and Zionism is simply “disguised” white supremacy and Jewish ethnic chauvinism?

  28. American anti-semites should be doing everything possible to support Israel. If Israel falls, Israelis would be coming here in their millions.

    1. What crap. I would gladly welcome all Israeli Jews to settle in the US (give them Bush’s ranch!) if it meant allowing the diaspora Palestinians to return to their homeland.

      In fact, it was a preponderance of anti-Jew sentiment that led to the creation of Israel in the first place, as the governments of the US and UK refused to allow Jewish immigration into their respective countries after the Holocaust.

  29. These are few questions need to be asked:

    What is really semitism?
    Is it only Jews who are semites?
    Is every person who is Jewish is therefore a semite?
    Are all Jews semites?

    Are there other people who are semites besides the Jews?

    If some one converts to Judaism ,does he automatically become a semite?

    Could a semite be an anti-semite at the same time?

    Is Judaism a religion,a race,a nationality,a state or a people?

    What are the qualifications to be an Israeli citizen?

    1. Salem S asks some good questions.

      The answer is that Judaism, to be Jewish, refers to BOTH a religion and a people, a nation. In the Book of Ruth, Ruth says, Where you go I go, “your people are my people, and your God is my God.” Notice how she refered to people even before talking about God.

      1. Can we please keep this discussion free from the inclusion of fairy tales to promote one’s agenda?

        Shall I start quoting Dr. Seuss?

    1. salem s. Don’t think I don’t understand your point of view I do. However, has it ever occurred to you that there is propaganda coming in from both sides. This is not a conflict we should ever have taken sides in. The Israeli Government clearly does not want peace they want property. It’s not exactly new news. Do you believe the Arab nations intend to leave the Israeli to live in peace?

      If we intend to kick every nation on earth off the land they have conquered we could start with ourselves. Why don’t we all go back to Europe, Asia, Africa, or wherever we came from and leave the US to the Native Americans. Are you ready to go? Would they even take you back?

      Sorry to say but Israel is there to stay. They have Hydrogen bombs for gods sake. How are they going anywhere? They aren’t, that’s the answer!

      The best thing for the people of the US is to stay the hell out of other peoples business. Would you at least agree that we should stop arming both sides? Or are you suggesting that we continue to arm the Arab states? And if so what do you think that would lead to?

      1. Yes, Brad, let’s just leave Israel and the Arab states to their own devices and let them sort it out. That’s what the Arabs have been advocating all along.

        If it wasn’t for Western support of the Zionist plan to colonize Palestine then Israel would’ve been a distant memory already.

        1. Again nothing new here. Yes we should drop our support for Israel. Yes we should not have sponsored it to begin with. So how does that change the facts as they are now?

          Your uncompromising support for the Arab nations is just as wrong as the pro-zionist. We are arming both sides don’t you think that should stop?

  30. So many people hate Israel with such a passion. I don’t want to get into that. But what I don’t understand is this:

    Why don’t you hate Saudi Arabia with the same zeal?

    How about China? 1.3 Billion Chinese don’t have basic human rights and the people of Tibet continue to suffer. Where is your ourtrage?

    How about the situation in Burma? Is that even on anyone’s radar screen?

    How about the hundreds of thousands of dead in Darfur? Where is the anger at Al Bashir and his government in Khartoum?

    I understand that some people on here hate Israel with a passion. I get it. However, I don’t understand why they single out Israel for hatred but seem to let all these other countries off the hook.

    Another thing I don’t understand: Why is Israel held to a higher standard when talking about giving back land.

    Should America have to give back Texas and most of the South West that we got when we defeated Mexico in the Mexican American War? Should we have to give back all land to the Native Americans? Should Australia have to give back all land to the natives there? The native Americans and the Aborigines in Australia have very high rates of poverty and are still suffering. But I don’t hear anyone on here saying that all the land has to be returned to them. Only Israel is held to this exceptionally high standard.

    1. Why don’t you hate Saudi Arabia with the same zeal?

      We do. But it doesn’t have Congress by the balls. It’s one thing for a country to be brutal. Having a brutal country that can infiltrate your own with near impunity and pass itself off as an “ally” and “outpost of freedom” and win itself the encomiums of virtually every politician and media outlet of note adds considerably to one’s ire. Doubtless, the Tibetans hate China much more than they do Saudi Arabia. Does this mean they have double standards? Hardly- China is simply at much closer proximity, and so its savagery is something much more concrete to the Tibetans than that of Saudi Arabia.

      How about China? 1.3 Billion Chinese don’t have basic human rights and the people of Tibet continue to suffer. Where is your outrage?

      Abounding within me, but tempered by worries about the geopolitical implications of Tibetan secession.

      How about the situation in Burma? Is that even on anyone’s radar screen?

      How about the hundreds of thousands of dead in Darfur? Where is the anger at Al Bashir and his government in Khartoum?

      See above.

      I understand that some people on here hate Israel with a passion. I get it. However, I don’t understand why they single out Israel for hatred but seem to let all these other countries off the hook.

      The key is this, Tim: the brutality of China, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Myanmar are well known, and universally condemned. It would be superfluous to add to the chorus. Israel, on the other hand, has its crimes systematically obscured by the media and the power elite, and must be relentlessly and repeatedly exposed for what it is. Our tempers are further inflamed when Israel’s apologists resort to name-calling and censorship to perpetuate their thinly-concealed advocacy of Jewish chauvinism. On a more practical note, Israel is closely aligned with the United States, and so our protestations are more likely to have an effect on both than they would on China and Saudi Arabia, two authoritarian regimes in which we have zero traction. The issue of Israel is a much more immediate one that the prevalence of human rights violations throughout the world, so noises about the depredations of SA and the PRC are little more than red herrings designed to subtract from a furor that might have some positive political effect.

      Should America have to give back Texas and most of the South West that we got when we defeated Mexico in the Mexican American War? Should we have to give back all land to the Native Americans? Should Australia have to give back all land to the natives there? The native Americans and the Aborigines in Australia have very high rates of poverty and are still suffering. But I don’t hear anyone on here saying that all the land has to be returned to them. Only Israel is held to this exceptionally high standard.

      As this is a site devoted to current goings-on in American foreign policy and their historical antecedents, you might reasonably expect not to. I would advocate expanded land holdings for the natives and greater sovereignty, but this is a dead issue that cannot be fully resolved in any feasible way. Israel’s occupation, on the other hand, is very much a live one. It is also something that can be easily remedied by the right political settlement and a few modifications to the Law of Return. At the very least, cutting aid and protection to Israel off might force it to reconsider its approach toward the Palestinians.

      1. Kenneth,

        What about the Saudi Arabians? They seem to have our White House “by the balls” to use your term. In fact, they have been pretty tight with every White House since Truman.

        And the Chinese? Bush, Clinton, H.W. Bush, and most of our other Presidents roll out the big red carpet when Hu Jintao, Jiang Zemin, or any of the other petty dictators come to town.

        I wish I heard more people complaining about that instead of harping on Israel all the time.

        1. Tim,

          Seeing as Saudi Arabia is little more than an American auxiliary and China’s influence at the highest levels of government is very limited, their impact pales in comparison to that of Israel. Still, America’s hypocrisy in supporting the Saudis has been duly noted and harped upon on several occasions, most prominently by yours truly.

    2. Tim R. we must have been on the same page. Your posting came in after I had started writing.

      By the way have you noticed that something has been going on with the posting times on this site lately? They must have a glitch.

  31. Tim R,

    Why are you still here? You should be over in the Mideast fighting the evil Islamo-Fascists and defending the borders of the land you hold so near and dear.

    Oh thats right. You are here trying to convince others to do the dirty work for you because you are an elitist coward who cannot fight his own battles.

  32. Notice the concessions, followed by an invitation to the following interesting doublebind:

    Be rational in your hatred!

    1. Sorry to show my ignorance by asking you to dumb it down for me but what exactly is your point?

  33. Brad Smith,

    Your postings are quite interesting to read, and they make quite a bit of sense. However, be warned: If you say anything nice about Israel on this site, or even defend Israel in any way, or try to be even handed about things, you are going to be ruthlessly attacked. They are going to call you a Zionist and claim that you really hate America. Virulent, passionate hatred of Israel seems to be the norm around here. And oh yeah, don’t say anything bad about Muslims. You can attack Israel any time but if you say anything bad about Muslims you are an “Islamophobe” and a racist, and are being devisive and unfair. Remember that Islam means peace and we can never even dare to imply a link between radical Islam and terrorism.

    1. Tim R., why are you attacking AntiWar.com? Is it because it is one of the only major media outlets in America that isn’t sycophantically pro-Zionist?

      Using your words, here’s the Zionist-engineered status-quo nearly everywhere else, in particular the US Congress:

      ‘Be warned: If you say anything nice about Muslims, or even defend Islam in any way, or try to be even handed about things, you are going to be ruthlessly attacked. They are going to call you a terrorist-sympathizer and claim that you really hate America. Virulent, passionate hatred of “Islamofascism” seems to be the norm around here. And oh yeah, don’t say anything bad about Jews. You can attack Muslims any time but if you say anything bad about Jews you are an “anti-Semite” and a racist, and are being devisive and unfair. Remember that Judaism means peace and we can never even dare to imply a link between radical Zionism and terrorism.’

      I guess Tim R. doesn’t like it that Zionists don’t have AntiWar.com under their thumb as they do nearly all other media outlets and the US Congress.

      No, Zionists aren’t authoritarian control freaks bent on monopoly of opinion, not at all. That’s just an anti-Semitic stereotype.

      1. Bob,

        I was not attacking antiwar.com, in fact I really love this site. And I commend people like Eric Garris and those who run it. They allow people like me, even if I am very much in the minority on here, to voice my opinions.

        I was just pointing out a fact. And the fact is that, most of the time, the second I mention one positive thing about Israel or say one negative thing about the Palestinians, it feels like a lot of people suffer apoplexy. Some of them, though not all, have accused me of “putting Israel first.” Which is absolutly 100% false. I am an American citizen, first, last, and always.

        1. Oh Tim,
          Please. The reasons that I despise Israel are as follows:
          1. Israeli-Firsters (from Abrams to Zuckermann) pimped for this country to criminally invade Iraq. This action has killed so many, destroyed America’s reputation and is beginning to destroy our economy.
          And what was Iraq’s big crime? Its’ tyrant, Saddam, was giving Palestinian families of siucide bombers money to build new homes after the IDF destroyed their homes in a fit of collective punishment. Joining in Israel’s stupid vengeance will cost America trillions of dollars.
          2. Israeli-Firsters (Abrams to Zuckermann plus Sen Lieberman) want us wipe out Iran in a sneak attack possibly using nuclear weapons. What is Iran’s big crime? Its’ President held a conference of outlawed scholars who question the Holocaust. To perform this courtesy for the howling Israeli-Firsters will kill maney more, put this country’s reputation on a par with Nazi Germany and absolutely wipe us out financially.
          3. Israeli-Firsters have ensured that this country have Uncle Sam thumb his nose at the UN, the papacy and every organization that promotes simple justice for the Palestinians.
          4. Israeli-Firsters have siphoned our national treasury year after year to maintain that nasty little apartheid government of Israel.
          I could add things like the attack upon the USS Liberty, the censorization of free speech in America, and acts of unwarranted spying. But it is a waste of time on people like you because you choose to be willfully ignorant.

        2. We’ve suffered through enough of your comments here to know where your allegiances are. I’d say you’re a neocon first, a zionist second, and then maybe an American.

        3. Richard Vajs,

          Well, I don’t know if there is much we agree on but there is one thing I fully agree with you on. An “Israel Firster,” to use your term, is unacceptable. We might have a genuine difference of opinion on what is in her best interest, but we agree that her interest should come first. As an American I believe our full and complete loyalty should be towards the good ole US of A. However, I do believe strongly in the idea of a Jewish State located in their ancestral homeland. And I support Israel’s right to defend herself. But I don’t think that belief in itself makes one an “Israel Firster” does it?

          Also, to your point number one: There were a lot of people in favor of the Iraq war, Rumsfeld, Hillary Clinton, a whole host of people. I don’t think you can say all of them were “Israel Firsters”

          And to your last point: How much money do we really spend on Israel? Our military budget is something like 500 billion dollars. Our overall budget is in the trillions, the amount of money going to Israel is a very tiny fraction of that.

        4. Tim R,
          You are right – we will never agree because you cannot accept that the Iraq War was promoted by Israeli-Firsters. There were other factors – stupid chauvanism that loves seeing “shock and awe”, conniving oil interests that saw opportunity in supply disruptions, etc. But the real propaganda to make Iraq into an imaginary threat came from the Neocons, who are by definition Israeli-Firsters. What else would you call people like Wolfowitz, Pearle, Abrams, Kristol, Frum, Pipes, Charon, Krauthammer, …? Of course, these people will deny that they had a part in stampeding America into this Iraq mess for the sake of Israel, but actions speak for themselves. Given the fact that Jews make up only a small portion of the overall American population (maybe 3%), how do you account for the high numbers of Jews on the “war wagon” whenever enemies of Israel are involved? Also, Zionist Jews have convinced themselves that America’s interests and Israel’s are the same. This Iraq mess should prove that this is defintely not so, but self-delusions survive any calamity. Tim, you are not debating in good faith, you are just trying to be cute.

        5. An Israeli citizen receives more funding from the U.S. of A., than a citizen of the State of New Jersey!

          As usually Tim R. is writing out of the side of his arse!!!

    1. Thanks Jim,
      I voted for Ron Paul in 1988 and will try to do so in 2008. As for other independent candidates, I believe that Ralph Nader has a platform plank that calls for justice for the Palestinians. It will be interesting to hear that in debate should he ever get that far. I can see the screen fading to snow 5 seconds after Nader starts speaking on that topic.

  34. Israel is turning increasingly fascist, at least the Jewish parts. The dream of eliminating all other people from Israel is a nightmare straight out of the Nazi Lebensraum play book. And unlike say, the Saudis, the Jews like to think they are moral, upright and better than say, the Saudi Royals.

    So it is twice as horrible and distressing to watch them destroy America and our civil liberties so as to prevent us from pointing out their crimes against humanity. Syria was just put on the ‘Crimes against humanity’ list even though they shelter over one million Iraqis chased out of their own homeland. While the Jews in Israel get to skip out of any condemnation.

    This is called ‘a double standard’ and is the only standard we see in the mainstream media.

    At my own website, many a reader has told me they don’t want to come back because I dare mention what is going on in Israel. They want to have blinders on and to follow, like a horse harnessed to a mill, the eternal circle where they imagine they are going forwards only they are not.

    We all have to start organizing a boycott of Israel and boycott of any politicians who support ethnic cleansing and racism.

    1. Good for you Elaine Meinel Supkis your the first person I have heard from on this site that actually supports action. The rest seem to be going on endlessly preaching to the choir without any suggestions. I suggest that we stop funding Isael and the Arab nations and will vote for this belief. Unfortunately Ron Paul will not get the nomination and the rest will continue with business as usuall. I will not vote for anyone rather than for more of the same. What do you suggest? Is anyone left out there worth voting for? If not I will try and write in Ron Paul or just skip it all together as a protest vote.

  35. …It seems to me that in regard to this injustice: 1. Facts have become anti-Semitic. 2. Any object toward Jewry in general and Israel in particular now approaches a kind of neo-Heresy evidently sanctioned by the United States Department of State. And 3. That if all Genocides are equal; some are more equal than others. I’ve had my nose, and my conscience rubbed in The Holocaust for 50 years.

  36. Andy, Phil and Richard right on!! For all the trouble the zionist scum have caused ( we didn't have an enemy in the arab world until Israel became our socio-pathic "special friend"..

    we could have bought them Madagascar-it's larger than the Holy Land and the weather is better..

    To Hell with Israel. God used General Titus and the Roman Army to punish the Pharisees and he will use someone else soon enough to lay waste their best laid plans to use Palestine as a worldwide headquarters/hideout from international justice ( just as the various oligarchs who escaped Czar Putin-a patriot who cares about his people which is more than anyone can say about Bush )

  37. Would that the Christian Zionists and "Armegeddonites" got so much attention. They are far more powerful than, eg, Peace Now.

  38. If I were an American I would oppose my country’s alliance with Israel. Without it the U.S. could live in peace with the Arab world. I don’t see how giving Israel 3 billion dollars every year is of any benefit to Americans.

  39. (SECOND ATTEMPT TO RESPOND ON THIS GLITCHY MESSAGE BOARD.)

    Brad Smith wrote:
    “The subjugation of Jews in the Arab lands has gone on for far longer than in Europe. Jews were treated as less than second class citizens. They were slaughtered, given no rights, and could be stolen from at any time. It’s a fact and you can easily look it up.”

    Brad, I am sure I could look it up and find it, but I doubt it is fact. I respect you, but I think you have been influenced by Zionist propaganda on this point.

    I learned from a full professor who was a Middle East specialist (and neither an Arab nor a Jew) that before the Zionist movement, the most tolerant place in the world for a Jew to live was the Middle East. There were a few incidents of religious-based violence over the many centuries, but nothing like the pogroms of Eastern Europe. I have seen this claim made by other neutral sources.

    Also, when the Moors (who were Muslims) ruled Spain, the Jews there thrived. When the Christians regained control, the Jews were persecuted by the Inquisition.

  40. This will be my last post on this GLITCHY message board, though it likely will not post since my last three attempts were a waste of time.

    This is a briefer response than my last attempts, but Brad Smith’s assertion that Jews were more persecuted in Arab/Muslim lands than in Europe in the pre-Zionist era is pure Zionist propaganda and just the opposite of the truth.

    Also compare the treatment of the Jews in Spain under the Moors to that under the Christians and their Inquisition that was primarily a persecution of the Jews.

  41. The Iquisition was for Christians. Jews were not subject to the Inquisition.The Jews and Muslims were expelled from Spain starting in 1492.They were never subject to the Inquisition.The Jews had a long history of cooperating with the Muslims often against the Christians in many Muslim run countries.This country would be a lot more peaceful,if we had our own Ferdidand and Isabella. Thats a joke probably a bad one.

    1. Jack, your assertions are contrary to everything I have ever learned about the Spanish Inquisition. What finally ended the Inquisition was that it eventually did turn on Christians and that’s when it was seen as getting out of hand. However, it was begun as a persecution of Jews. Show me a credible source that says otherwise. The second half of your post is not just a bad joke; it’s dangerous bigotry.

      As an aside, I’ve now learned to wait 15-20 minutes before expecting a post to appear no matter how often I might refresh or revisit the page to see if it posted.

  42. The idea that Jews were so well off under Muslim rule is a canard, a falsehood. Do you think the Jews in Hebron, back in 1929 (long before the modern State of Israel existed) were better off? The pogrom of 1929 was led my crowds of wild, beast like Muslims roaming the streets and killing any Jews they found. Over 60 Jews were murdered; the survivors had to flee and their property was stolen.

    Yes,the fact is that under Islamic law a Jew ( or anyone else for that matter) is allowed to live in a Muslim nation and will not be forced to convert. HOWEVER, there is something these Islamic professors always forget to mention: They have to live as a “Dhimmi.” This means a Jew, or any non Muslim must accept the status of a second class citizen. They must pay a tribute tax, jizya, to their Muslim overlords and have to practice their religion in a quiet way. The Quran is perfectly clear that non muslims must be treated as inferior, second rate citizens. It sets up a truly apartied state if there ever was one.

    1. Tim R., 1929 was not the pre-Zionist era that I was talking about. During the early years of that era that began in the 1880’s, the small numbers Jewish immigrants were welcomed by the Palestinians (about a quarter of whom were Christian). Conflicts later developed as the number of immigrants increased, competition for resources increased, and it became clear that the Zionists intended to do more than settle for peaceful coexistence. Atrocities were committed by both sides, but the Palestinians were the bigger victims, especially beginning in 1948.

    2. Actually Timmy, being a “Dhimmi” means that the non-muslim inhabitants are protected guests and the tax is less than that of muslims.

      Please provide the relevant facts in future if you wish to be seen as anything more than the cheap propagandist that you are currently seen as.

      Toodle pip.

        1. Oh, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, you are so full of misinformation and propaganda by omission.

          This “tax” you continue to refer to….under Sharia, is it greater than the tithe imposed on the muslim population?

          I know the answer but I’d like to see how you try to spin it.

      1. Dhimmi means they are “protected guests?” That’s a creative way of putting it! You must be joking. Read the Quran, Surah 9 verse 29. When I have guests at my home I don’t fight against them nor do I force them to pay a specical tax. Read the damn thing for yourself and maybe you will not be so ignorant.

        1. Tim, please do not refer to the Qur’an as “the damned thing” do you understand? I wouldn’t disrespect whatever faith you might practice like that so don’t disrespect mine or anyone else’s. I’m sure you’re unintentionally misquoting Surah 9 which is called At-Tauba. In Arabic this means “The Repentance”. I encourage you to read the whole thing and consider it as a whole. Clearly this Surah is in part about holding treaties with other tribes during that time period and it specifically orders the Muslims to not attack anyone that decides to leave them alone and have peace with them (9:5). It also orders the Muslims to grant non-Muslims, even the ones who are considered idolators protection if they sincerely ask for it (9:6). Muslims are forbidden from attacking anyone unprovoked for any reason. Also, I would like to warn you to please be careful with some translations of the Qur’an. A lot of them are inaccurate or use terminology that Muslims understand but some non-Muslims might not. As you know, the Qur’an was revealed in Arabic and you lose a lot in a translation. Be assured that I wish you peace and that I hope I have been helpful to you.

  43. The worst pogrom in prewar Nazi Germany was Krystalnacht 1938. 100 Jews were killed.The Israeli’s kill that many every month.850,000 Palistinains were driven from their homes in 1948 by mass murder and rape and their villages were leveled.It has always been about the ethnic cleansing of non Jews from the whole of prewar Palistine and even parts of Syria,Jordan and Lebanon. the Jewish state was a terrible idea 100 years ago and it’s getting worse.

    1. Yes, Jack, and during WWII over 6 million Jews were killed. That was one third of the entire Jewish population of the world. That would be the equivalent of 100 million Americans being killed. What is your point anyway?

      As for the Palestinians, yes, some of them were driven from their homes and expelled. But so too were thousands of Jews expelled from Arab lands.

      1. Many Jews were driven from their homes in majority Muslim countries by Zionist terrorism in the form of false flag attacks too Timmy. There is ample credible evidence of this, the most notable being the bombings in Baghdad.

  44. "Um das Gute zu lesen, ist eine Bedingung, dass man das Schlechte nicht lese: denn das Leben ist kurz, Zeit und Kräfte beschränkt."

    [Artur Schopenhauer]

    I have not seen anyone notice the Hippocratic allusion.

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