Daniel Pipes: If Obama Wins, Bush Will Attack Iran in November

Leading neocon Daniel Pipes (director of the Middle East Forum) said in an interview posted Wednesday at National Review Online, that if Barack Obama is elected, George Bush would attack Iran in the remaining ten weeks of his term.

“Should the Democratic nominee win in November, President Bush will ‘do something.’ and should it be Mr. McCain who wins, he’ll ‘punt,’ and let Mr. McCain decide what to do.

He called on powers such as Russia and China to prevent a US unilateral strike by helping Washington increase pressure on Tehran. “Look, if you don’t want an American attack, then you have to join us in being very serious with the Iranians and making clear to them we will attack if they don’t stop.”

Later in the interview, Pipes commented that Israel’s nuclear capability is “substantial.”

177 thoughts on “Daniel Pipes: If Obama Wins, Bush Will Attack Iran in November”

    1. And Israel and Hollywood and all Fox/ CNN/ MSNBC/ NBC/ ABC/ CBS “news” buildings.

      Although the nuking of all of these would kill some innocent people — secretaries, by-standers, Palestinians…

      1. I thought this was a liberal blog but now I see you people are racists.

        People on here saying that Conservatives start every war (lie) and that they are murderous hate mongers and then turn around and talk about the murder of innocents.

        Liberals aren’t for peace unless it is in a world that benefits them. Hate everyone who isn’t like you.

    2. Probably all they need do is wait for Usians to turn on themselves.

      Lester Ness
      Kunming
      China

    3. That would not happen, since from the very onset of the Cold Ware during the late 40s US nuclear forces were designed for the first, aggressive strike against USSR/Russia, whereas Russia was always on the defense.
      Over the years systems were perfected this way – therefore US has ONLY the real capability to do the first strike, whereas Russia has very good capability to do a counterstrike.

      The irony is that after one after another theoretical and modeling analysis performed in the US by numerous modeling efforts – the truth was revealed – apparent to every marginally moral person, which are quite rare in the US Govt. so it seems – so the Truth of the Nuclear War is:

      THE SIDE THAT DOES THE FIRST STRIKE LOSES THE WAR

      Well, until such time that SDI, anti-missile system would be implemented – so that the US can do the first strike, and then avoid the counter-strike.

      Now – please understand all – that facing the creation of the fully operational and reliable US SD system – Russia (and China) simply HAVE to start the conventional war to prevent that SD system from being developed. The first choice of course is some peaceful kind of “war” – for instance strangling US economically.

      Now, if only US were not so aggressive… but that’s impossible – that’s the design of the country.

      The only way out is the election of Obama – “US Gorbachev”, that would dismantle the Empire, people would hate him for that, people in the US would have to consume less (but would not that be actually great in terms of fighting the obesity problems face by most americans?) – but it would be a better World – in 20 years. In 10 years it would be better world for every place on the Planet – except to the US unfortunately.

      If McCain wins…. That would Chinese option (like USSR/Russia option vs. Maoist China / Modern China option). There is one big BUT though – Americans are not Chinese – or… are they? Only more migration from China to US can save the World from the Big War. Well – for once it’s China’s turn to safe the World I guess :-)

      1. Fascinating perspective. Thank you for taking the time to share it. I do hope that the coming war(s) are the peaceful kind you suggest. Pray that we do not test the doctrine of “assured mutual destruction”.

    4. ARE YOU SERIOUS?

      BOMB D.C. YEAH OK
      YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP
      YOU MAO-COMS BEND OVER AND GIVE A$$ TO WHOEVER WANT’S TO RAPE IT

      ————

      WHY DO YOU CARE MORE ABOUT “IRAN” OR PEOPLE WHO WOULD DESTROY YOUR FREEDOM THAT I BELIEVE YOU SHOULDN’T EVEN HAVE TRAITOR, THAN OURS?
      SHOULD BLOOD SPILL ON OUR SHORES INSTEAD? NOW THAT YOU MAO-COMS ELECTED A SON OF THE TRIBE OF ISHMAEL TO TOP OFFICE IN LAND

      MIGHT I ADD, A MAN BORN A AFRIKAN MUSLIM, WHO’S WHOLE FAMILY ARE ISLAMIC JIHAD TERRORISTS,
      THEY’RE SCREAMING NOW I CAN HEAR “DEATH TO THE WEST” THE AL’MADHI SUN HAS RISED IN THE WEST “ARMEGEDDON” WHO WILL NOT HET THE “MARK” OF ISLAM ON THEIR PALM OR FOREHEAD WILL GET BE HEADED

      NOW THATS A 1ST AMENDMENT VIOLATION
      YOU AND YOUR “FALSE” CHANGE MESSIAH
      STEADING FAST TO A NWO

      http://mister-right4prez.blogspot.com

  1. I have to say that I am impressed by the genuine gravitas of John McCain's understanding of the Iranian threat: “Look, if you don’t want an American attack, then you have to join us in being very serious with the Iranians and making clear to them we will attack if they don’t stop.”

    This is incredibly powerful wisdom! It's like walking into your neighbor's home with a loaded shotgun, pointing it at him, and telling him that if he doesn't stop reaching for his pistol, you will be forced to take action! That's what I want for a Commander-in-Chief!

    1. NICE McCAIN AD !

      “I know many of you are disappointed, and some of you are now exclaiming “I told you so!” All that we can do now is hope, and pray, that our country – and the Iranian people – will somehow survive the coming catastrophe.”

      Its over.
      We truly ARE DOOMED!!!

      1. OH SURE LET THE IRANIANS HAVE NUKES,
        I DONT KNOW WHICH IS CRAZIER OBAMA HAVING NUKES OR THE IRANIAN PRESIDENT!

        ISREAL AS PREDICTED IN THE BIBLICAL EVENTS WILL BE ATTACKED BY “THE ANTICHRIST”
        THE MUSLIM AL-MADHI = FALSE PROPHET
        THE MUSLIM MESSIAH = CLAIMS HES ISA, REALLY THE MAN OF SIN

        ***THEIR PLAN TO PERSECUTE AND KILL AND CLEAN THE WORLD OF ALL NON-MUSLIMS WHO WONT CONVERT
        GLOBAL ISLAM = NO CHOICE= NO FREEDOM!

        *************ISREAL MUST BE PROTECTED @ ALL COSTS!**************************

        AND

        ——————
        WHY DO YOU CARE MORE ABOUT “IRAN” OR PEOPLE WHO WOULD DESTROY YOUR FREEDOM THAT I BELIEVE YOU SHOULDN’T EVEN HAVE TRAITOR, THAN OURS?
        SHOULD BLOOD SPILL ON OUR SHORES INSTEAD? NOW THAT YOU MAO-COMS ELECTED A SON OF THE TRIBE OF ISHMAEL TO TOP OFFICE IN LAND

        MIGHT I ADD, A MAN BORN A AFRIKAN MUSLIM, WHO’S WHOLE FAMILY ARE ISLAMIC JIHAD TERRORISTS,
        THEY’RE SCREAMING NOW I CAN HEAR “DEATH TO THE WEST” THE AL’MADHI SUN HAS RISED IN THE WEST “ARMEGEDDON” WHO WILL NOT HET THE “MARK” OF ISLAM ON THEIR PALM OR FOREHEAD WILL GET BE HEADED

        NOW THATS A 1ST AMENDMENT VIOLATION
        YOU AND YOUR “FALSE” CHANGE MESSIAH
        STEADING FAST TO A NWO

        http://mister-right4prez.blogspot.com

  2. I mean, am I the only one who sees it? It’s got a picture of Ahmadinejad and Obama and it’s asking “Is it OK to Unconditionally Meet With Anti-American Foreign Leaders?” And it says paid for by John McCain 2008!

    Are you guys suddenly Pro-war.com? What gives?

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    2. WAIT YOU’RE ANTI-WAR?
      YET IRAN SHOULD HAVE A NUKE WITH A PRESIDENT WHO IS A LOON WHO WANTS TO BRING ON A NUCLEAR HOLLOCAUST TO BRING THE MESSIAH BACK?

      ISREAL AS PREDICTED IN THE BIBLICAL EVENTS WILL BE ATTACKED BY “THE ANTICHRIST”
      THE MUSLIM AL-MADHI = FALSE PROPHET
      THE MUSLIM MESSIAH = CLAIMS HES ISA, REALLY THE MAN OF SIN

      ***THEIR PLAN TO PERSECUTE AND KILL AND CLEAN THE WORLD OF ALL NON-MUSLIMS WHO WONT CONVERT
      GLOBAL ISLAM = NO CHOICE= NO FREEDOM!

      *************ISREAL MUST BE PROTECTED @ ALL COSTS!**************************

      AND

      ——————
      WHY DO YOU CARE MORE ABOUT “IRAN” OR PEOPLE WHO WOULD DESTROY YOUR FREEDOM THAT I BELIEVE YOU SHOULDN’T EVEN HAVE TRAITOR, THAN OURS?
      SHOULD BLOOD SPILL ON OUR SHORES INSTEAD? NOW THAT YOU MAO-COMS ELECTED A SON OF THE TRIBE OF ISHMAEL TO TOP OFFICE IN LAND

      MIGHT I ADD, A MAN BORN A AFRIKAN MUSLIM, WHO’S WHOLE FAMILY ARE ISLAMIC JIHAD TERRORISTS,
      THEY’RE SCREAMING NOW I CAN HEAR “DEATH TO THE WEST” THE AL’MADHI SUN HAS RISED IN THE WEST “ARMEGEDDON” WHO WILL NOT HET THE “MARK” OF ISLAM ON THEIR PALM OR FOREHEAD WILL GET BE HEADED

      NOW THATS A 1ST AMENDMENT VIOLATION
      YOU AND YOUR “FALSE” CHANGE MESSIAH
      STEADING FAST TO A NWO

      http://mister-right4prez.blogspot.com

  3. Wow, typical neocon jujitsu: if we attack Iran, it will be Russia and China’s fault, for failing to stop us!

    1. Well said Eric. The neocons are never responsible, its never their fault. Their pathology is unreal.

      1. The Neo-Cons pathology is pathological and I’m not being a wise ass.It’s amazing seeing what is happening as they numb America’s youth with “American Idol” and “hip-hop” and such a small number of people understand what a true Fifth Column this collective slime is….
        Fortunes change,people are awakening and when the truth about this Spasmodian Fungi Kollective known as the “Neo-Cons” is revealed,there may be some more…… apathy.Apathy or Anarchism in all its distorted forms.

        God forbid “McCudge” gets elected….Gods,God,Goddess,KARMA help us !

        I feel as a 44 year old NY’er,we have lost the country to them and just plain apathy is the rule as is America’s inward looking attitude on the domestic side.How could America’s polititians have sold out the country to these seemingly beneficial but utterly self serving parasites !! AT OUR EXPENSE !!! ISRAEL IS THE ENEMY !!!!!!!!!!!

        The scariest day will be January 21,2009…..

        1. If you get the clap, it’s not the fault of some guy in Tel Aviv or Bejing.

          Lester Ness
          Kunming
          China

        2. Who brought American Idol? 99% of Hollywood and the entertainment business in America are liberal. Ignorance is exactly how Obama got to where he is.

          Who is at fault for the current economic crisis? Liberals are. Democrats are and some “Republicans”. I hope McCain wins and all of the people who refused to listen to Bush’s people when they said, 6 years ago, this was going to happen – end up in prison where they belong.

          “ISRAEL IS THE ENEMY !!!!!!!!!!!” Nice one Hitler. I shouldn’t be surprised; Hitler was a socialist, too.

    2. “it will be Russia and China’s fault, for failing to stop us” and Iran for not playing nice!

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  5. Hey, wait a minute. The Constitution doesn’t give Bush the authority to attack Iran on his own! Whew! For a minute you guys had me worried. Thank God for checks and balances.

    1. Would those checks and balances be the AIPAC CHECKS that fill up the Congresscritters bank ACCOUNTS by any chance? Are those the checks and balances that Americans rely on? because there isn’t any other game in town at the moment!

    2. Obama should issue a statement saying that if Iran is attacked, he will order his Justice Department to investigate.

      1. WHY DO YOU CARE MORE ABOUT “IRAN” OR PEOPLE WHO WOULD DESTROY YOUR FREEDOM THAT I BELIEVE YOU SHOULDN’T EVEN HAVE TRAITOR, THAN OURS?
        SHOULD BLOOD SPILL ON OUR SHORES INSTEAD? NOW THAT YOU MAO-COMS ELECTED A SON OF THE TRIBE OF ISHMAEL TO TOP OFFICE IN LAND

        MIGHT I ADD, A MAN BORN A AFRIKAN MUSLIM, WHO’S WHOLE FAMILY ARE ISLAMIC JIHAD TERRORISTS,
        THEY’RE SCREAMING NOW I CAN HEAR “DEATH TO THE WEST” THE AL’MADHI SUN HAS RISED IN THE WEST “ARMEGEDDON” WHO WILL NOT HET THE “MARK” OF ISLAM ON THEIR PALM OR FOREHEAD WILL GET BE HEADED

        NOW THATS A 1ST AMENDMENT VIOLATION
        YOU AND YOUR “FALSE” CHANGE MESSIAH
        STEADING FAST TO A NWO

        http://mister-right4prez.blogspot.com

    3. You are completely wrong that Bush needs Congressional approval to attack Iran.

      The Kyle/Lieberman Bill, passed last September with the overwhelming support of Senate Democrats…

      http://tinyurl.com/2cvby8

      …designates the Iranian military as a “terrorist group”. The President can attack “terrorist groups” at will, without seeking Congressional approval.

      When will you people wake up and see that the 2 parties work in collusion with each other? There is no substantive difference between them.

  6. Pipes has an interesting backstory: Bush the Second nominated to the “Institute of Peace” — some few brave Senators blocked it, so Dumbya recessed appointed Pipes and he was a Bush *peacenik* from August 2003- January 2005

    Pipes’ buddy, Fleming Rose, a Zionist too, then went on to, IMO, deliberately create the Dutch Mohammad cartoon controversy. You remember that one – the cartoons of Islam’s prophet Mohammad that basically set on fire what little part of the Islamic world that wasn’t already enraged by the U.S. attack on Iraq and the continuing genocide of the Palestinians by U.S. funded Israel.

    Haim Saban’s, and other pro-Israel owned media in Europe, then picked up the cartoons, republishing them over and over with glee, and further enraging the Muslim world.

    Great work Pipes! You sure are an emissary for peace, just like your sponsor, George W. What’s-His-Last-Name-Again?

    There is tremendous irony in all of this…but given Obama’s cave-in to Aipac/ the Israel Lobby, the world is going to end soon.

  7. The “supporters” of Israel obviously prefer to see the entire world destroyed rather than allow Iran to enrich uranium, even though the NPT (which Israel disdains to sign and the US is violating) says all signatories have the “inalienable right” to enrich uranium, and all nuclear-capable signatories have the *obligation* to help non-nuclear countries acquire nuclear technology for peaceful use if they want it, including the capacity to enrich uranium.

    Israel is the worst thing that ever happened to the United States of America. What a strange way for our country to meet its demise.

    1. Your right Eric. Once Israel was created and the USA decided to give it a Kaiser-like ‘blank cheque’ America was assured the animosity of the entire Arab world. I don’t see one single advantage for America in its relationship with the Jewish state.

    2. ISREAL AS PREDICTED IN THE BIBLICAL EVENTS WILL BE ATTACKED BY “THE ANTICHRIST”
      THE MUSLIM AL-MADHI = FALSE PROPHET
      THE MUSLIM MESSIAH = CLAIMS HES ISA, REALLY THE MAN OF SIN

      ***THEIR PLAN TO PERSECUTE AND KILL AND CLEAN THE WORLD OF ALL NON-MUSLIMS WHO WONT CONVERT
      GLOBAL ISLAM = NO CHOICE= NO FREEDOM!

      *************ISREAL MUST BE PROTECTED @ ALL COSTS!**************************

      AND

      ——————
      WHY DO YOU CARE MORE ABOUT “IRAN” OR PEOPLE WHO WOULD DESTROY YOUR FREEDOM THAT I BELIEVE YOU SHOULDN’T EVEN HAVE TRAITOR, THAN OURS?
      SHOULD BLOOD SPILL ON OUR SHORES INSTEAD? NOW THAT YOU MAO-COMS ELECTED A SON OF THE TRIBE OF ISHMAEL TO TOP OFFICE IN LAND

      MIGHT I ADD, A MAN BORN A AFRIKAN MUSLIM, WHO’S WHOLE FAMILY ARE ISLAMIC JIHAD TERRORISTS,
      THEY’RE SCREAMING NOW I CAN HEAR “DEATH TO THE WEST” THE AL’MADHI SUN HAS RISED IN THE WEST “ARMEGEDDON” WHO WILL NOT HET THE “MARK” OF ISLAM ON THEIR PALM OR FOREHEAD WILL GET BE HEADED

      NOW THATS A 1ST AMENDMENT VIOLATION
      YOU AND YOUR “FALSE” CHANGE MESSIAH
      STEADING FAST TO A NWO

      http://mister-right4prez.blogspot.com

  8. Pipes is one of the worst neocons on the face of the earth. I don’t know what lunatic Bush and Cheney are going to do. But if the bomb Iran hey should be hung for war crimes. Bush is great at signing death warrents, maybe attacking Iran will be his own.

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  10. If Bush is so crazy as to implement an undeclared war in November after Obama wins the 2008 election, then Canada will be the first country to indict the bugger for “Crimes against Humanity” in the World Court. Iran has every right (under the UN NPT) to develop nuclear technology for peaceful purposes and if Israel and the USA would permit the IAEA to do its job, they could validate true intensions. If Israel maintains that people who disagree with their current occupation of Palestinian lands and “imprisonment of its people” can never benefit from modern science, then it is clear that Israel is the problem, not Iran.

    1. If Bush was crazy enough to attack Iran after Obama “won” next november, then the UK will be the number one country defending his lunatic actions. Brown is such a traitorous, treasonous nutcase himself, he is a fully paid up member of the same insane elite clubs that are trying to “off” several billion “useless eaters.” Do not look to “poor little defenceless” Israel to even show the slightest amount of gratitude. They look down on all non Jews as being less than vermin.

      I would love to see Bush, Cheney, Rice, Blair and Brown in the dock in the Hague and see justice performed on them and all their genetic decendents.

      Until that happy day, I am visualising a happy future where there is NO Fear, Infinate consciousness allows us all to evolve to a higher level and hatred is something we no longer feel, but will never forget.

  11. Oh great, so now the US threatens Russia and China: if you don’t do what we want, we’ll start another was. Ducky.

  12. When are Americans going to start understanding that Israel is RUINING us economically?

    Just threatening Iran with war (which is TOTALLY driven by the Israel lobby) is already bankrupting us. Look at the headline from ABC (which of course buries, far below the lede, the explicit connection between US-Israel war threats and the oil price surge – it wouldn’t be ‘good for Israel’ to highlight that!):

    “Oil Skyrockets in Biggest One-Day Gain Ever, Almost $11”

    [oh yeah, and this just HAPPENS to happen on the day just as Barak Obama joins the amen chorus of AIPAC acolytes screeaming thyat we have to “do something” about the phony “Iranian threat”, on the day when an Israeli cabinet minister outright promises that this war will happen]

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/wireStory?id=5010997

    1. “Oil Skyrockets in Biggest One-Day Gain Ever, Almost $11″ I guess its time for conservatives to learn how to conserve!

      Lester Ness

    2. Americans are to blame for their own problems. “He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.” — Jesus (Bush’s favorite philosopher)

      Lester Ness
      Kunming
      China

  13. I am relying on China, Russia and India to keep civilization going after the Iranian debacle and American collapse, but I’m afraid Cheney may try to take the rest of the world with him when he goes, thinking he’ll restore the glory days of American post-World War II sole-supplier prosperity. He doesn’t realize that shop has already been sold.

  14. pipes was on NPR about a week ago. it was hlarious. he was trying to have some islamic school shutdown and a random caller completely owned him. he goes “what kind of show is this, why would you let her talk to me like that”?

    1. Hey Lester.

      Here is a link to that interview:

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90477620

      The link to the audio is near the top of that page. This is not the first time he melted down like this. He always does this when confronted with anyone who poses a viewpoint contrary to his. He is the weakest “debater” I have ever seen and I don’t know why this guy has the national prominence that he does.

      1. Thanks for the link. The lady calls in and expresses a contrary opinion to him and he says the radio station is not a “responsible” station! Unbelievable!

        1. You mean like the fairness doctrine?

          Liberals are so easy to own; all you have to do is actually read something from a reputable source and not just regurgitate propaganda.

          I could stay on here all day and point out hypocrisy, like your comment.

      2. I believe Pipes’ father was quite influential. Another case of the original, and largest, affirmative action program ever instituted — “legacy” entitlement.

        1. I know; working hard to build wealth for your family is so wrong. Why should anyone’s children reap the benefits of their forefathers? I mean, we all work so our money can just be taken from us and given to whomever the government chooses. What a country! What an ideal!

      3. “I don’t know why this guy has the national prominence that he does.” Because a lot of other half-wits share his prejudices. Most born-agains are viciously anti-Muslim, for example.

        Lester Ness
        Kunming
        China

  15. June 10th is the National Call-in day to demand that your congressional reps support diplomacy and not an attack on Iran.

    Toll-free number to call Congress is:

    (800) 788-9372

    More information on the National Call-in Day to stop an attack on Iran is here:

    http://newiranpolicy.org/536/29301.html

    Of course, my three reps, all Dems, are dyed-in-the-wool Zionists, but I’ll call them anyway. I tell anyone who’ll listen in my district about how our supposedly liberal representative is destroying our lives by his Zionism.

    He’s Howard Berman and he’s the chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Berman just addressed Aipac, wouldn’t you know it? His staff is composed of nitwits genetically combined with assholes, but they’re all Zionists.

    Call Berman’s House Foreign Affairs office too, and ask the dickwad who answers the phone why Berman doesn’t just go represent Israel in the Knesset, since he obviously is a traitor to the U.S. with his bending over forwards for Israel. (My apologies to anyone who likes it that way ;-)

    You can use the same toll-free number I gave above to call Berman’s House Foreign Affairs office.

  16. One failed to find in Justin Raimundo’s “Obama Capitulates”, which does mention Mr. Paul, one word about impeachment.

    One is tiring of those who, rightly analysing a situation, while calling themselves “Constitutionalists”, somehow fail to highlight the obvious constitutional remedy.

    A blind spot or something more?

    The pattern of the threat seems a domestic version of Olmert’s blackmail–“If the US does not do what we want you to do, we will unilaterally do it–e.g. use nuclear weapons on Iran–and you will have even more problems than if you just go along with what we advise

    The real perversion in this version smacks of Strauss and the Neo-Cons–using the United States’ own nuclear weapons to threaten and coerce the domestic electorate with the possible end of the world.

    A rather interesting definition of “terror tactics”, isn’t it?

    Getting the least bit exercised is exactly what is sought. The only rational reaction is, “So what else is new?”

    1. Eugene,

      I can’t imagine there being a “blind spot” when it comes to remedies and Raimondo on this question. Like so many of us, Raimondo is probably exhausted in his effort of opposing impending war with Iran only to see the one hope the system – and the Constitution – may have offered us go up in smoke at the AIPAC conference on Wednesday. Any “talks” Obama may hold with Iran prior to our striking them are likely to resemble Hitler’s with Hacha in 1939. It will make little difference if its McCain or Obama who is inaugerated, Bush can be assured that war will be pursued at some time whether he is to act after the election or not. So who’s to impeach respecting Iran, Bush, McCain, Obama? I know you’ve favored impeaching Bush for his earlier crimes and I have little doubt that Raimondo would rejoice in the thought, but that has not come about. I believe the matter to be quite beyond constitutional remedies, actually. The one we have has been so abused, so tattered, that it hardly has meaning any longer. We need a new constitution and all the public action necessary to bring it about.

      1. Why a new constitution? If it is a question of ignoring any agreed upon rules, the old one does just fine, doesn’t it?

        In fact it has some interesting prescriptions on that score.

        And what is the point of trying to agree on a new one with the very people who ignore the old one?

        Which at this point also includes Ron Paul, save when he wants to give his naive little lectures on issues close to his pocketbook.

        1. Eugene,

          Well, in my view, the Constitution has long been superceded by events. As a practical matter, for some time now we’ve been in a condition tantamount to dictatorship. Our freedom of action when it comes either to foreign or to domestic policy is in the hands of those willing to pay for it and those in a position to receive the payments have erected a system utterly impervious to change by ordinary means. Extra constitutional measures are the only ones promising real hope at this point. The old solutions, the general strike, prolonged mass demonstrations and the like will be the only ones with any prospect of success. Now, of course, we are a very long way from those kinds of solutions. But with oil prices jumping $11 as they did today on war prospects and the largest single increase in unemployment in 26 years sending the stock market into a 400 point spin, we are close to a beginning on experiencing the kind of pain that just might bring about them about. Anyone who reads Paul Roberts has a grasp of the economics ahead of us. The turning point just might arrive when the euro becomes the world’s reserve currency. And who could deny that we’re already in the midst of a financial and credit system meltdown. The critical work will be to direct the discontent to where it belongs when the crisis arises: A Constitution that made possible the kind of reality that had actually emerged. In the ensuing chaos will come the opportunity to expell the usurpers and to try and sentence them publically, this instead of the impeachment you seek. A second constitutional convention could follow producing a document chastened by the earlier experience. Frankly, I see no other way.

        2. A Constitution that made possible the kind of reality that had actually emerged….

          More ignoring it.

          Paul Craig Roberts is hawkeye when it comes to simple economic patterns that the ill-trained do not wish to compass.

          He also transcends ideology, which is key.

          Nationalizing oil is one option, which the kneejerk ideologues are already calling “Communist” and “unconstitutional”.

          It is neither, and done right it is far superior to Nixon’s price controls, which did not work.

          Strictly in regard to the Constitution there is nothing unconstitutional about nationalization as long as there is just compensation. Indeed the Republican Party in freeing the slaves in the border states after the war paid compensation, as it did not do to the slaves in the Confederacy. It was virtually a form of “Nationalization”.

          Nationalization has also occurred in other contexts, as during World War Two.

          There are many benefits to be had from nationalization of oil. The first and most important would be to separate domestic oil from the currency collapse, thus allowing the possibility of economic recovery.

          Second, drilling off shore and in Alaska by a public entity for the public benefit would be possible.

          Private companies, whatever they say, will sell any new resources at world market price, and the American economy be damned. Though the United States imports oil (Venezuela is still selling oil to the US at below market price), the oil companies often export when it suits their purposes.

          The main concern about nationalizing oil is that it be done constitutionally (not like Truman’s illegal order nationalizing steel) and that it be kept out of the hands of the politicians.

          At any rate, I bring this forward merely as an example of the limberness of the old Constitution.

          I see no reason for a new one rather than paying attention to the one that is there, which Paul is certainly not doing in regard to impeachment.

        3. Re: nationalizing oil, why not learn to conserve? There’s no reason the average American can’t walk 20 minutes to a store.

          Lester Ness
          Kunming
          China

      2. We don’t need a new consitution, we need to use the one we have. Can you imagine what the new one would be like if it were written by our current crop of republicrats?

        1. It has become clear that the Constitution was fatally flawed from the beginning in that it is too difficult to remove the President. As a result, over the last 200+ years, the Presidency has consistently aggrandized itself.

          Fortunately, there is a remedy should Congress decide to implement it. There needs to be a Constitutional Amendment making it easier to remove a President. I’m not quite sure myself what form this should take or how easy removal should be made. Perhaps a simple majority to convict and remove in the Senate after impeachment by the House. Perhaps the states should have some input in the decision to remove a President, or the people through petition should force a recall vote.

          I don’t know what the final formula should be, but it’s clear the bar is too high in the current formula. One reason to hope this is possible is that the President can not veto a Constitutional Amendment.

        2. Impeachment, according to the Constitution, is fairly easy, and deliberately so.

          The flaw is not structural.

          Ron Paul illustrates the real problem aptly. Though claiming to be a Constitutionalist, and having rightly characterized Clinton as impeachable according to the Constitution, he declines to use the same principles in regard to Bush and Cheney.

          Initially he opposed Kucinich’s motion to impeach Cheney, for example, and then tepidly supported sending it to Judiciary, while claiming, in complete contradiction of his earlier arguments in regard to Clinton, that “proper procedure” must be followed.

          There is no proper procedure beyond what the Constitution says on the topic, and anything, as Paul argued in relation to Clinton, a majority of the House considers impeachable is impeachable.

          Too, some of what are now structural flaws are not in the original program, as in regard to the Vice President and the Senate, just for two examples.

          Kurt Goedel, according to Einstein and others, in studying to acquire US citizenship, supposedly found a serious structural flaw in the US Constitution. Einstein and others, however, who thought the that Goedel was being too logical, discouraged him from bringing it up during his citizenship examination, and no one, to my knowledge, now knows what Goedel thought it was.

          For students of the Roman Constitution, with which many of the leading framers were familiar and on which much of the US Constitution is patterned, there is an obvious but merely potential flaw that for some reason the framers did not see.

          This is a bit curious, for the Romans themselves saw it in their Constitution and remedied it fairly early.

          I shall not mention what it is here, though some students of the Roman and American Constitututions, may easily guess what it is.

      3. Constitution is just high level guidelines and goals that people of the land agreed to adhere to.
        People that reside in the US do not adhere to these guidelines and they do not share these goals.

        If anything – the rough outline of REAL Constitution for the population of the US should start like this:

        “War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength.”

        I’m not aware of ANY county in the World where these guidelines are followed closer.

        Also – “Animals and prols are free” – that’s exactly about and average immigrant in the 2nd generation person (and their dogs I guess, although, latter have somewhat less freedom).

    1. Does it matter? Another cryptotype in the threat, which is presented as a rational and inevitable policy, is, “We__________ (insert Neo-Cons, Israelis, et al. as you choose) control the President of the United States.”

      Oh.

      Again–what else is new?

      At this point one at last begins to understand the crowds under someone high on a building ledge yelling, “Jump! Jump!”.

      Part of it coming to the conclusion that the potential suicide is too boring and predictable to live.

      And if the man happens to be carrying a nuclear weapon as he threatens to jump–well, also too boring and predictable to live with.

      After all, if he is prevented from committing suicide and gets whatever he wants, he’ll just be back up there again next week.

  17. A: Freeze!

    B: Who are you and what are you doing in my house?

    A: It’s called a preemptive strike.

    B: A preemptive strike?

    A: Yes–a preemptive strike.

    B: Why are you pointing that shotgun at me in my own house? Are you a robber?

    A: No. I am here to stop you playing with your pistol.

    B: My pistol [looks around the room]. What pistol?

    A: Yes, your pistol. We know you have pistol and intend to come over to my house and kill me.

    B: I have no pistol.

    A: We know you have pistol. And if you don’t have a pistol you have plans to build a pistol. And we know that you intend to use the pistol to come over to my house and kill me. Fork it over!

    B: Fork what over? There is no pistol.

    A: Then fork over the plans. Get down on your knees–confess that you want to kill me with the pistol that you are planning to build! Confess! You hate me and you plan to come over my house and kill me!

    [doorbell rings}

    A: Who’s that?

    B: [smiling] How should I know? Do you want me to answer it?

    A: Yes, come with me to the door.

    [get to door, which is opened and there stands….]

    1. “….and there stands….” Superman who wraps the shotgun around the intruder’s neck and then heaves him into orbit around the moon to never again threaten the neighborhood.

      Congress and the courts are clearly dysfunctional. For whatever reasons, they refuse to play their constitutionally assigned roles. I’m afraid that if Superman doesn’t save us, then our last hope is a military coup organized by enlightened generals, if such creatures even exist. Let’s face it. Desperate times call for muscular methods.

      1. The most likely “muscular methods”: sitting around, complaining, drinking beer, shooting the beer bottles.

        Lester Ness
        Kunming
        China

  18. What Pipes said about Bush is what I’ve been thinking for about the last nine months. The only reason Bush hasn’t already launched air strikes on Iran is that he doesn’t want to doom the Republican presidential candiate in November. I’ve always thought that if it looked like the nominee had no chance Bush would go ahead and attack otherwise he would postpone the attack until just after the election.

  19. Tim R. is such a provacative little shit isn’t he? Hopefully, God will allow another Gen. Titus to scatter the racially narcissistic bastards to the four winds again..carrying their anti-Christian, anti-Gentile Talmuds under their arms..

    1. Actually, it’s a curiosity that he even attends the antiwar.com site. Maybe a neocon plant?

      1. Tim R is wasting your time — rather than arguing with him, you should be calling Congres, or talking some sense to your neighbors/ friends/ relatives/ co-workers, about the Israel lobby and how it led to our attack on Iraq and will lead to an attack on Iran.

        And then, after an attack on Iran, gas prices will be upwards of $12-15 a gallon, which we can all afford, right? ;-)

        Tim R. is probably a Megaphone operative. Megaphone, Israel’s propaganda (hasbara) outlet, was started by Israel’s Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, who is now inline to become Israel’s Prime Minister after Olmert, in order to lead us all into Armegeddeon.

        Megaphone’s specific purpose is to enlist Israel’s supporters around the world, using email alerts,in order to have a rapid action response to any criticism of Israel.

        Thus, the non-pro-Israel world is led to believe that the vast majority of the planet supports Israel, and that all Muslims are evil fiends, despite all evidence to the contrary.

        And now, Tzipi, founder of Israel propaganda outfit Megaphone, has a real shot at becoming Israel’s PM, while she destroy the U.S. by tricking us into attacking Iran and launching World War III.

        1. The Israel lobby will only meet its match when an equally passionate foce rises up to oppose it.

          The fact is, most Americans (including many Jews) oppose the issue-by-issue positions of the Israel lobby, but they are not as passionate and or committed enough in sufficient numbers. What we need is an “anti-Israel Lobby lobby” that cares as much and works as hard and includes as many people as the Israel lobby.

          The Israel lobby is more than a lobby; it’s a movement, a culture. We need a corresponding counter-movement and counter-culture. And that’s tricky, because it will certainly be branded anti-Semitic, and it will certainly attract some anti-Semites as well (but maybe not that many: anti-Semites are very often staunchly pro-Israel – a very strange paradox indeed).

  20. Horrible message from Daniel Pipes! Thanks for telling us, Neither my dad, any of his brothers, or my any of my four grandparents made it to the age of sixty, but I was hoping I would make it to eighty. Doesn’t look likely.

  21. Doesn’t the USA have enough on its plate already, two losing, if not lost, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now it is going to take on a third country. NUTS.

  22. Pipes? Did Pipes get that comment cleared with Michelle Malkin? Aren’t Pipes and Malkin kind of, well you know, jiggy-wid-it?

  23. The plans to reshape the entire Middle East have already been written. The only thing holding back the neo-cons is the mess in Iraq, if it had been over as quickly as they thought we would have already taken out Iran. We will eventually go to war with Iran it’s just a matter of time. Most Americans just don’t care enough or don’t have a clue how to stop it. I would love to stop it, but how? I could stand on a box and shout my lungs out all day and what whould I get done? The American sheeple are asleap and they are not going to wake up any time soon. I would love to be proven wrong and I will still contitue to fight against war, and please if anyone can show me how to be more effective clue me in.

    Peace!

    1. Attacking Iraq is economic suicide for the United States.

      Mr. Paul–are you about to lead a group of anti-war Republicans and non-Neo-Cons in impeaching the two treacherous lunatics in the offices of President and Vice President?

      Actually, at this late date, and after Kucinich, one might do–Cheney. Meanwhile if there is anyone sane left in the military the remaining figurehead is given a honor guard in a padded cell that looks like the oval office and the football handed over to adults.

      I suspect Putin and the Russians, remembering the good faith of Reagan, might cooperate.

      1. Corr: “Attacking Iran”.

        Attacking Iraq was similar, but the slower way to go.

  24. This Pipes guy is a complete joke. His brother, Irving Pipes, said that “Danny” wet his bed until he was sixteen.

    “Tim” is really Irving Lipshitz from the bolshevist union of the slew-footed.

  25. I can’t understand why anyone would join the U.S. military. Your not defending your country, your enabling the neoconservatives to carry out their immoral agenda.

    1. I can tell you why I joined, I was young and dumb, Patriotic and filled with myself and propaganda. Unfortunately brains and common sense are not a requirement. I now work hard at talking anyone and everyone from enlisting or reupping but trust me it’s a battle.

      Peace!

    2. Well, I enlisted in the Navy in 1971 so I could use the GI Bill to go to college. Of course, I’d been raised with the idea that fighting for my country was good and glorious.

      I helped bomb Viet Nam in 1972. I experienced two typhoons, a coup d’etat and martial law in the Phillipines and a mutiny/race riot. It was educational! Especially seeing real martial law in action.

      Yeah, it was dumb, but most 17 year olds are dumb. Never forget, most soldiers are teens with guns. Most officers are frat boys a couple years later.

      Lester Ness
      Kunming
      China

  26. Someone once said that you can easily tell what Bush will do. Bush will end up doing whatever hurts US the most. That is the effect if not the intention. Attacking Iran will have the worst effect on the US and that is why it will be done.

    1. Bush listens to the voices in his head, the prophecy-preachers on radio/TV. Frankly, commenters here credit too much clout to Israel and the Neo-cons, not nearly enough to the Armegeddonites. They out-number all the Jews in the world several times.

      Lester Ness

  27. I wouldn’t trust anything Pipes says. It is probably misdirection. I think Bush will attack before November.

  28. There is no doubd at all that Bush does & doing great harm to America & world at large.
    This lunatic and his advisers Cheyney,Condi and others can be stopped by frendly fires or CIA or FBI officer. I am sure they can arrange that and it will be great service to Americans.
    After that they can certify the officer as INSANE at the time or officer might claime that GOD instruct him to do that and he is off the hook.

    After 100 years that officer might deserve to be great HERO.

    Where is good ald days? with SOVIET UNION WE KEPT THE BUSTARDS HONEST.

  29. To:Just asking.
    As a Dutch person, I have never heartd of the Dutch Mohammed cartoons, don’t you mean Danish. They are 2 different countries.

  30. These wars and rumors thereof have nothing to do with freedom & democracy or peace & safety. The basis for all of this madness is economic totalitarianism… The West, having bankrupted its economy through greed, is losing its grip on dollar denominated (say reserve currency) dealings. If Oil producing nations and other major economies start dealing in Euros or other currencies then the US dollar becomes toilet paper and America is exposed for the shallow, consumer-centric, economy that it is. The truth is that America no longer produces nor exports products that are not made better and cheaper in other places… The only thing of significance that it has been exporting of late is war. And this has been shown to be a poorly made product during tests in both Iraq and Afghanistan. We could title this episode in American history: The Empire Strikes Out…

    The world’s problem is that you have a pack of bankrupt madmen with nuclear weapons and other high tech weaponry who are living in denial. Just examine the Bush doctrine after 9-11: “you’re either with US or you’re with the terrorists”. Couple that with some religious fanatics (who also have nuclear weapons) and you have the makings for an armageddon cocktail with a real kick.

    1. I have often thought that Saddam Hussein signed his own death warrant when he decided to demand oil payments in Euros instead of dollars. If other countries were to follow suit the American economy would be brought to the brink of collapse, would in fact collapse.

      1. Saddam Hussein was in many ways a genuine Iraqi patriot, who tried to form a secular nation out of the various groups the British post-Imperial mapmakers decided to cobble together to maintain British economic dominance of the area.

        To some extent he succeeded, and he may some day be remembered as a prophet and great martyr.

        On the other hand, he had many flaws.

        His strategic plan, keyed on oil, was sound enough and is being pursued by his erstwhile factional enemies today. His faith in conventional arms, however, purchased from the United States and the Soviet Union, was a serious mistake. In the period after the first Gulf War, he realized this, and began preparations for a guerrilla at least four years before the second Bush attacked.

        Psychologically and politically he fell prey to his own Narcissism, which is a common flaw among those with great power (he was never, as portrayed in the West, an absolute dictator).

        But his fatal mistake more general. Being rational himself, he presumed that the United States would see and act in its own best interests as a nation, in regard both to Baathist Iraq and the Middle East.

        That was, in the end, his undoing.

        The consolation is that it will also be, short of some dramatic change of course by the United States, fatal to his enemy.

    2. The only good thing about the situation, that fully operational SD system is not in place, and things are happening very quickly.

      I hope you noticed that Russian President Medvedev announced couple days ago that his intention is to make Russian currency a reserve one as soon as possible (i.e. 2-3 years).

      Euro countries are moving that direction as quickly as they can, same about China and Natural Gas OPEC is in the making – lead by Russia and … Iran.

      Yes, US may do a first Nuclear Strike, Russia would retaliate and damage to the US would be harder. Most of Russia basic infrastructure is inherited from the USSR, and most of that infrastructure was developed after 1950, and it was designed to be reasonably robust under the nuclear strike scenario.

      This is simply not true about the US – funds were spend on weapons and wars, but not on defense systems. And, in actual fact Russia has reasonably good SD system in operation, which covers exactly one site – the Moscow region. Similar system in the US covers … just the main nuclear command base in the US, which is located not in the densely populated area.

      Moscow accounts for over 80% of all taxes collected in Russia. It is not that easy to destroy oil and gas fields with nuclear weapon – they are huge in area. Pipelines going to Europe can be destroyed of course. Well… too bad for Europe.

      Aftermath of such US first nuclear strike would be – in the world that fortunately has other nuclear players – China, India – would be most likely a tight Eurasian Union between China, Russia and Iran.

      On the other hand… who would want to deal with the US after that? Who and for what reason would supply anything to them? Russia/China/Iraq are completely self-sufficient and have very little conflicting interests at large, rather complimentary.

      Europe and the US are not self sufficient – and don't have many common interests – since their only interest is to rob other countries of their resources.

      Not to even mentioned, that ability of US (or British) military in the Real War with Russia had NEVER been proven.

      Had I been the ruler of the US, with any degree of sanity, I would not have followed this scenario. That is the scenario of great suffering for Greater Eurasia, but it is the scenario of the End of the 1776 experiment.

  31. Lessee. If Obama wins this fall, Bush attacks Iran. If McCain wins this fall, McCain attacks Iran. If Obama wins this fall but Bush doesn’t attack (due to a pretzel episode or some such), then there’s a pause as AIPAC writes up Obama’s marching orders, then Obama attacks Iran.

    How many handbaskets would it take to carry America to hell?

  32. Israel is basically an unstable country – all of its human energy is seemingly directed towards scheming and plotting against its neighbors, making its internal racial minority’s lives miserable enough to leave, and leaning hard on its friends (actually friend) to share in their paranoiac hatreds. If Israel does prevail against the Arabs and bombs them into submission, manages to starve/eject every Palestinian and continues to bs America into providing arms and money, where will all this negative energy go? It is my guess that they will turn on each other and have some kind of civil war. And they will richly deserve it.

  33. The TV news reports are maddeningly downplaying the role of Israel in causing these cripplingly steep surges in oil prices.

    I mean, today, finally, on MSNBC, they finally did mention that maybe Israeli minister-of-whatever Shaul Mofaz’s declaration that war with Iran is certain had SOMETHING to do with the biggest one-day oil price rise EVER.

    And then Lester Holt introduced an “analyst”, and she said, “Well, this is a jittery market, and you could say practically ANYTHING and prices are going to jump.” Oh, yeah. The Israelis could have said anything, or nothing at all, and prices would have behaved just the same!

    Don’t blame poor little powerless underdog light-unto-the-nations Israel — but do send us more money, America (and we’ll take that in Euros, thanks), because oil — which we buy from IRAN — is so expensive these days. Why, the Holy State can barely afford to build swimming pools for the new settlements in the West Bank!”

    1. Does the FBI have a task force of accountants investigating oil futures trading?

      Military intelligence perhaps?

      A word here and a word there from the right source and futures prices move.

      No doubt the Russian Federation has an army of analysts on the job.

      Internationally and insofar as such commodities are concerned the SEC, and like bodies, are–for various reasons–deaf, dumb, and blind.

  34. All those rumors and speculations about attacking Iran is just pure bull–cunning propaganda. As critical as America’s economic positioin is it would be pure lunacy to do any such thing. I could imagine the Iranians and the Americans getting together and working out a secret deal (like the Israelis and the Syrians) and dropping a few bombs on some useless facility to satisfied the screaming domestic public that the attacking nation has lived up to its reputation of toughness. One of the things the American public is not quite aware of is the precariousness of the Israeli state. That nation is on the verge of imploding. A poll taken not too long ago found that a quite significant portion of the Israeli population say they would leave the country should any of their Arab or Persian neighbors develop a nuclear bomb. In fact if you come to NYC and walk the streets you would see a quite large number of persons going about their business that are Israelis–and they are not tourists neither. One wonders about the astronimcal number of new buildings going up in Manhattan and its outer boroughs–and we are now learning that much of this space is being created for the expected avalanche of Israelis that has already began departing their country. John Kurius

    1. “…it would be pure lunacy to do any such thing.”

      And when has the fact that something is pure lunacy ever stopped the neocons from doing it?

  35. This is anecdotal, but I have noticed a surprising number of Israeli (not generic Middle Eastern, these are Israeli) restaurants in the San Fernando Valley (Los Angeles) area. This is surprising because of the small amount of Israelis there are in general, but maybe these restaurants also get American Jews and others who have been to Israel.

    Do Israelis have to go through the same immigration process as citizens from any other country, or do they get special treatment in that regard as well?

    Also, to anyone who wants to see real news, that treats the situation in the Middle East fairly (tells the truth about Israel’s actions) Democracy Now and I.N.N. World Report (on Dish TV) are two great sources.

    Democracy Now streams at its site too, and is also on many radio stations — it blows the mainstream media out of the water:

    http://www.democracynow.org

    1. Probably most of the individuals who immigrated to Israel after ’49 would have gone straight to the USA if they could have. I once spoke with a woman who’d been sent (deported? repatriated?) from China to Israel in 1949. She was age 13, and had no real choice. Later, she ended up in California, working as a secretary.

      Lester Ness

  36. It is time to declare people like Pipes and his ilk persona non-grata on the streets and in any public area of the United States. These people should be put under threat of anal rape if they dare venture outside their secure, gated homes or communities.

    I’m tired of these assholes ruining America because of their own personal paranoia and intellectual shortcomings.

    If I get within 5 meters of Daniel Pipes, I hereby declare that I will physically accost and anally rape him.

    Mr. Pipes, you’ve been warned.

    1. ” I hereby declare that I will physically … ”

      You want to get that filth on yourself? That is a very strange ambition.

    2. Perhaps, the moderator will delete this crude threat posted here by ‘abraham’.

  37. How does it go?….Oh what a tangled web we weave,
    When first we practice to deceive!!! && now if you want peace…..Vote for Macain?? or “their guy” GWB will start another war???? Yea, thats it!! So these neocon thugs that brought us 911, the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, pre-emptive war (of THEIR enemies), murder, torture kidnapping, rigged elections, outing of intelligence assets and a spy nest in the oval office, Larry franklin, Scooper Libby and a panoply of murderous dual citizens….We should put them for another term….for peace. I see…. Maybe this EXPLAINS the compliant speech Obama made B4 AIPAC…. To distance himself from the Israel First reflex currently on display would frighten the assembled enablers…and….potentially cause the pre-emptive death of another million people in a new and improved (for prime-time) “Shock and Awe” on the people of Iran…..Halburton could help dispose of the bodies, if of course, the leaders came to their sences….after and signed all the oil over to Exxon…..And Israel lives happily everafter….War IS peace… Long live Big Brother!!!

  38. Oh, the neocons have just been warming up. Chaos is their medium. The more chaos, the more they can dump their draconian bulls**t upon the rest of us. They have had eight years to take over The Bureaucracy of our nation and fill it with their acolytes just as the Nazis did after Hitler won the election in the early thirties. Smart move if one wants to control the state at all levels. If Obama does win, his movement will have to go through the bureaucracy and purge these functionaries. Whether they have the wherewithal to do something more closely associated with Bushco remains to be seen. If not, then we won’t be getting anywhere as far as ‘progress’ is concerned. If not Iran, then something as chaotic.

  39. Could a “Pearl Harbor!” like incident transpires to justify attacking Iran as was the case with Iraq?Would a state of emergancy be declared,martial laws imposed,and the detenion camps opened?!!

  40. I believe we Americans need to make a tough decision about groups like AIPAC and individuals associated with like groups. That decision is to force these groups and individuals associated with like groups to register with our government that they are agents of a foreign nation, i.e., ISRAEL. I am so sick and tired of these groups and individuals, who by the way make up only 2% of our population, putting another country’s interest over ours. I am sick of them using our precious resources: money and blood to do their dirty work. Finally, I am sick and tired of them yelling anti-semite because I am putting my nation before the one they apparently have more allegience to. Finally, these groups and individuals need to make a decision that they are either with the U.S.A or they are with Israel. Remember, Israel doesn’t have a formal treaty with the U.S.A; therefore, by law, they are not allies with us.

    As of right now, Iran hasn’t attacked Israel nor are they even threatening them. Sorry Israel but Iran has every right to produce nuclear energy (for civilian purposes) whether you like it or not. Based off of this, before Israel attacks Iran without provacation, we need strongly warn Israel that if you do this, you are on your own that if you continue being troublemakers, then, we will not support you. And, if groups like AIPAC and inviduals associated with like groups disagree, then by all means, they can turn in their passports, go pledge allegience to Israel, and then, fight and die for them. Then, they will be putting their loud mouths where their money is.

    1. “And, if groups like AIPAC and inviduals associated with like groups disagree, then by all means, they can turn in their passports, go pledge allegience to Israel, and then, fight and die for them. Then, they will be putting their loud mouths where their money is.”

      While they’re at it, they can take their Armagedonnite sycophants with them. And may the door not smack their backsides too hard on their way out.

      Future historians, when studying the downfall of the former United States, will scratch and/or shake their heads in total puzzlement at how the mightiest superpower in history could be made to meekly kowtow to a tiny, two-bit nation a third of the way around the world.

  41. This neocon crazie Daniel Pipes is correct to assert that Bush will attack Iran in November if Barack Obama is winning the presidential race to the white house over John McCain. What he fails to elaborate on is the consequences and the events that will transpire in this country after a decision to attack Iran is made. Any attack on Iran will surely blossom into a full scale war and very possibly a regional conflagration. In the atmosphere of such a conflict there would be no general elections held in November. As the Iranians bring the war to our doorsteps, the president will invoke his many presidential directives signed in the event of a national emergency and declare martial law in this great land. The Bush administration will then officialy become a de-facto American dictatorship. What happens at this point is beyond our wildest dreams. May God help us all.

  42. If there is NO election, God help them & their DUAL CITIZEN fellow travelers!! Such events would wake the dog of American Nationalism and there is no telling where it would end…

  43. I tried to post my correction, which was that the controversial Prophet Mohammad cartoons came from a DANISH, not DUTCH paper, but for some reason the post isn’t here.

    So, to correct myself — Flemming Rose, a friend and admirer of Daniel Pipes, published the controversial Prophet Mohammad cartoons in a DANISH paper not a DUTCH paper. The Danish paper is Jyllands-Posten.

    The cartoons were then picked up by a massive European media conglomerate, Axel Springer. Axel Springer was headed by a friend (and alleged fellow Zionist) of Haim Saban. Saban notoriously told the New York Times that he was buying up portions of the media worldwide in order to sway world opinion towards Israel.

    Rose’s motives for publishing the cartoons, and the motives for other European media owned by alleged Zionists for re-publishing the cartoons over and over, remain very suspicious to me. But the net result was that even moderate Muslims worldwide were angered, and any manifestation of their anger was portrayed in the media as proof of Islamic “extremism.”

    I think that the publication of the Prophet Muhammad cartoons were a purely provocative act, yet again meant to get Muslims to react, and then have that reaction further sway world opinion towards Israel — which claims to be “the island of ‘democracy’ amongst a sea of barbarians.”

    I don’t know if anyone saw that article posted on antiwar.com a few days ago that said thatthe British studied Israeli tactics to learn how to be tricky in warfare. The article came from one of the wire services, AP or Reuters, so was by no means written by a “fringe” element.

  44. Web Bot thinks October 8th to the 10th something MAJOR going to happen Good Luck..!

  45. I think we have reached the point where it is time for those of us who know the truth to start our own little clean up program. all we ask is one dead neocon a day. Straightforward Direct Ruthless. one by one no central organization just individuals making their presence felt, until the Constitution is restored and the criminals are dead. this of course is a lot harder than blogging or commenting on bloggs, but who knows maybe some of us have the guts. I know most of us have the knowledge about why. Just remember, no one was thinking “if we could just bring Hitler to trial we could fix this” in 1940. By the time it became obvious what Hitler was up to( like it is now in the USA) there was only one way to stop the Nazis. So I ask…. On July 4th who among you will read the declaration of independence, quite their job ( if you have one) take their retirement money and step on the path of our forefathers. Sacrifice is not just a word, it is an act. So…. who among you shall be the first? Even 100 of us would make news… and the neocons would be running for the hills. Until then, sadly, they will continue to operate as if there is no one to stop them. Which of course is true. So who among you has what it takes….?well…..? no excuses now ….

    1. I’m going to assume that you will calm down and think this over. I’m as angry as you, but please try to consider how foolish and evil and certainly counterproductive it would be to go down this road.

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