{"id":1053,"date":"2004-06-14T14:37:53","date_gmt":"2004-06-14T21:37:53","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2004-06-14T14:37:53","modified_gmt":"2004-06-14T21:37:53","slug":"froomkin-on-the-torture-memo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/2004\/06\/14\/froomkin-on-the-torture-memo\/","title":{"rendered":"Froomkin on the torture memo"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Michael Froomkin parses the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.discourse.net\/archives\/2004\/06\/olcs_aug_1_2002_torture_memo_the_bybee_memo.html\" target=\"_blank\">OLC&#8217;s Aug. 1, 2002 Torture Memo (&#8220;the Bybee Memo&#8221;.)  <\/a>  This is a very helpful post to read especially if you&#8217;re becoming confused by the sheer number of various torture memo leaks bombarding us daily.<\/p>\n<p>After explaining what the OLC is ( Justice Department\u2019s Office of Legal Counsel) and sketching the relationships between the various legal offices and lawyers in the FedGov, Froomkin sets up his argument:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The memo is about what limits on the use of force (\u201cstandards of permissible conduct\u201d) for interrogations conducted \u201cabroad\u201d are found in the <a href=\"http:\/\/www1.umn.edu\/humanrts\/instree\/h2catoc.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading Treatment or Punishment<\/a> ( Torture Convention) \u201cas implemented\u201d by <a href=\"http:\/\/www4.law.cornell.edu\/uscode\/18\/pIch113C.html\" target=\"_blank\">18 USC \u00a7\u00a7 2340-2340A<\/a> (the Torture statute).<\/p>\n<p>The memo concludes that the restrictions are very limited \u2014 that only acts inflicting and \u201cspecifically intended to inflict severe pain or suffering\u201d, whether mental or physical, are prohibited. Allowed are severe mental pain not intended to have lasting effects (pity if they do\u2026), and physical pain less than that which acompanies \u201cserious physical injury such as death or organ failure\u201d (p. 46). Having opined that some cruel, inhuman, or degrading acts are not forbidden, only those that are \u201cextreme acts\u201d (committed on purpose), the memo moves on to \u201cexamine defenses\u201d that could be asserted to \u201cnegate any claims that certain interrogation methods violate the statute.\u201d<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>This is not a draft, but it\u2019s not an action document either. It\u2019s legal advice to the Counselor for the President. The action document <a href=\"http:\/\/www.discourse.net\/archives\/2004\/05\/alberto_gonzales_memo_paving_the_way_for_war_crimes.html\" target=\"_blank\">was Gonzales\u2019s memo to Bush.<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This OLC document is a legalistic, logic-chopping brief for the torturer. Its entire thrust is justifying maximal pain.<\/li>\n<li>Nowhere do the authors say \u201cbut this would be wrong\u201d.<\/li>\n<li>Lots of the (lousy) criminal law legal reasoning in this memo is picked up in the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.discourse.net\/archives\/2004\/06\/apologia_pro_tormento_analyzing_the_first_56_pages_of_the_walker_working_group_report_aka_the_torture_memo.html\" target=\"_blank\">Draft Walker Working Group memo<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This memo also has a full dose of the royalist vision of the Presidency that informs the Draft Walker memo. In the views of the author(s), there\u2019s basically nothing Congress can do to constrain the President\u2019s exercise of the war power. The Geneva Conventions are, by inevitable implications, not binding on the President, <em>nor is any other international agreement if it impedes the war effort.<\/em> I\u2019m sure our allies will be just thrilled to hear that. And, although the memo nowhere treats this issue, presumably, also, the same applies in reverse, and our adversaries should feel unconstrained by any treaties against poison gas, torture, land mines, or anything else? Or is ignoring treaties a unique prerogative of the USA?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.discourse.net\/archives\/2004\/06\/olcs_aug_1_2002_torture_memo_the_bybee_memo.html\" target=\"_blank\">Read the rest&#8230;.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>A particularly interesting bit from the end:  <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Ultimately, the best legal commentary on this memo may belong to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newsmax.com\/liners.shtml\" target=\"_blank\">Professor Jay Leno:<\/a><\/p>\n<p>   <em> According to the \u201cNew York Times\u201d, last year White House lawyers concluded that President Bush could legally order interrogators to torture and even kill people in the interest of national security &#8211; so if that\u2019s legal, what the hell are we charging Saddam Hussein with?<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Michael Froomkin parses the OLC&#8217;s Aug. 1, 2002 Torture Memo (&#8220;the Bybee Memo&#8221;.) This is a very helpful post to read especially if you&#8217;re becoming confused by the sheer number of various torture memo leaks bombarding us daily. After explaining what the OLC is ( Justice Department\u2019s Office of Legal Counsel) and sketching the relationships [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":26,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[676],"coauthors":[],"class_list":["post-1053","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","tag-antiwar-movement"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"meta_box":{"disable_donate_message":"","custom_donate_message":"","subtitle":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1053","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/26"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1053"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1053\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1053"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1053"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1053"},{"taxonomy":"author","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/coauthors?post=1053"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}