{"id":14367,"date":"2012-03-06T09:59:04","date_gmt":"2012-03-06T17:59:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/?p=14367"},"modified":"2012-03-06T09:59:04","modified_gmt":"2012-03-06T17:59:04","slug":"liberal-demands-assassination-orders-be-filed-in-triplicate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/2012\/03\/06\/liberal-demands-assassination-orders-be-filed-in-triplicate\/","title":{"rendered":"Liberal Demands Assassination Orders Be Filed in Triplicate"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>On Monday, Attorney General Eric Holder finally explained why it&#8217;s legal for him to annihilate you on a hunch. The nation&#8217;s liberals arose as one to condemn this brazen attack on American principles of&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/drum-247x300.jpg\" rel=\"\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright  wp-image-14371\" title=\"The banality of zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz\" src=\"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/drum-247x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"173\" height=\"210\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/drum-247x300.jpg 247w, https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/drum.jpg 280w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 173px) 100vw, 173px\" \/><\/a>Hehe, just kidding. The nation&#8217;s liberals were all listening to Rush Limbaugh during Holder&#8217;s speech, but a few of them skimmed it later. And, boy, were they ever pretty much OK with it. <em>Mother Jones<\/em>&#8216;s Kevin Drum, who has raised being &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/2011\/10\/18\/kevin-drum-perpetual-skeptic\/\">pretty much OK<\/a>&#8221; with things to the status of serious analysis, <a href=\"http:\/\/motherjones.com\/kevin-drum\/2012\/03\/holder-oversight-good-idea-if-youre-killing-us-citizens-doesnt-mean-were-going-allow-a\">sighed and shrugged a little more vigorously than usual<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m glad Holder gave this speech. I&#8217;m glad that he expanded (a bit) on the three circumstances that govern the Obama administration&#8217;s decisions to kill U.S. citizens abroad. I&#8217;m glad he agrees that these decisions are &#8220;extraordinarily weighty&#8221; and &#8220;among the gravest that government leaders can face.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Nonetheless, even more than a thousand words of throat clearing can&#8217;t hide the fact that Holder simply provided no evidence that the rigor of the executive branch&#8217;s due process procedures matches his rhetoric; no evidence that these procedures are consistently followed; and\u00a0<em>negative<\/em>\u00a0evidence that there&#8217;s any reasonable oversight of the process. Merely informing Congress is the farthest thing imaginable from rigorous, independent oversight.<\/p>\n<p>Holder&#8217;s job, of course, was an impossible one. The Obama administration, like the Bush administration before it, has made a deliberate decision that actions like this are authorized by a combination of the 2001 AUMF and the president&#8217;s inherent commander-in-chief powers.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Now you need to know that this Bush comparison isn&#8217;t meant to be as damning as it sounds; Drum was pretty much OK with Bush killing whomever he wanted (see the first link above). But <em>process<\/em> is somewhat kind of semi-significant to liberals, so Drum appended this postscript:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This post wasn&#8217;t about my own position on this topic, but here it is. I agree that we&#8217;re at war. [<em>Drink! \u2013 Ed.<\/em>] Like it or not, the AUMF is an extremely broad grant of authority. I agree that stateless terrorists pose unique challenges. I agree that targeting them for killing is sometimes necessary, even if they&#8217;re U.S. citizens. I agree that Holder&#8217;s three principles form a good starting point for deciding when a targeted killing is justified.<\/p>\n<p>But it&#8217;s simply not tolerable to take the view that the entire world is now a battlefield, and therefore battlefield rules of engagement apply everywhere. If you want to kill a U.S. citizen outside of a traditional hot battlefield, there needs to be independent oversight. The FISA court performs this function for surveillance, and we know from experience that it rarely gets in the government&#8217;s way. But at least it&#8217;s technically independent and forces the executive branch to follow its own rules. It&#8217;s the absolute minimum that we should require for targeted killings too.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And here we have the American liberal&#8217;s ideal form of government oversight: the kind that generates a lot of paperwork (and civil service man-hours) but &#8220;rarely gets in the government&#8217;s way.&#8221; It&#8217;s the absolute minimum we should require \u2014 if by &#8220;absolute minimum&#8221; you mean &#8220;absolute maximum&#8221; and if by &#8220;require&#8221; you mean &#8220;quickly suggest then never mention again.&#8221; Only <a href=\"http:\/\/motherjones.com\/kevin-drum\/2012\/01\/crackpots-messengers\">crackpots<\/a> really give a damn about this stuff.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On Monday, Attorney General Eric Holder finally explained why it&#8217;s legal for him to annihilate you on a hunch. The nation&#8217;s liberals arose as one to condemn this brazen attack on American principles of&#8230; Hehe, just kidding. 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