{"id":2300,"date":"2005-08-18T16:42:13","date_gmt":"2005-08-18T23:42:13","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2005-08-18T16:42:13","modified_gmt":"2005-08-18T23:42:13","slug":"more-on-de-menezes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/2005\/08\/18\/more-on-de-menezes\/","title":{"rendered":"More on de Menezes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>For the Cliffs Notes version, <a href=http:\/\/highclearing.com\/index.php\/archives\/2005\/08\/17\/4543>Jim Henley<\/a>:<\/p>\n<ul>DO NOT BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT WHEN IT TELLS YOU THINGS!<\/ul>\n<p>For those of you who need some historical context, <a href=http:\/\/coldfury.com\/reason\/?p=877>Arthur Silber<\/a> unearths this quotation from a similar episode in the U.S.: &#8220;Burning to death was too good for them. They\u2019d like a slower method.&#8221; Clue: a Democrat said it.<\/p>\n<p>The error many people who should have known better made immediately after the de Menezes killing was to offer analysis based on the official narrative &#8212; instead of analyzing that narrative. Cue <a href=http:\/\/davidweigel.blogspot.com\/2005\/07\/in-case-you-were-wondering.html>this guy<\/a>:<\/p>\n<ul>No one asked, but here&#8217;s my opinion of the shooting of <a href=http:\/\/edition.cnn.com\/2005\/WORLD\/europe\/07\/27\/menezes.brazil\/>Jean Charles de Menezes<\/a> &#8211; he brought it on himself. First off, when police told him to stop, he ran. Right there they&#8217;re justified in shooting him. Secondly, if Mark Whitby is a reliable witness, Menezes was <a href=http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/main.jhtml?xml=\/news\/2005\/07\/23\/nshot23.xml>wearing a jacket<\/a>. In July.<\/p>\n<p>Unless police and witnesses are lying about the situation, there&#8217;s no fault with police here.<\/ul>\n<p>Oh, I know, I know, there are caveats &#8212; &#8220;if Mark Whitby is a reliable witness,&#8221; &#8220;Unless police and witnesses are lying about the situation&#8230;&#8221; Yet it still boggles my mind. <i>Unless the lynching party and terrified witnesses are lying about the situation, there&#8217;s no fault with the Ku Klux Klan here. I mean, come on, the victim did whistle at a Caucasian woman, and he did run from the nice men in hoods.<\/i> If you find that analogy over the top, read <a href=http:\/\/www.guardian.co.uk\/attackonlondon\/comment\/story\/0,16141,1551418,00.html>this account<\/a> of London police brutality over the last three decades. I guarantee you they&#8217;ve effectively lynched more people than the KKK has during the same period. <\/p>\n<p>But the racial particulars of this case aside, why proceed in any situation from &#8220;unless the state is lying&#8221;? The state may occasionally tell the truth, of course, but what thinking person in the post-<a href=http:\/\/editorandpublisher.com\/eandp\/news\/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1971092>Powell<\/a> era assumes that it will??? <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For the Cliffs Notes version, Jim Henley: DO NOT BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT WHEN IT TELLS YOU THINGS! For those of you who need some historical context, Arthur Silber unearths this quotation from a similar episode in the U.S.: &#8220;Burning to death was too good for them. 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