{"id":3498,"date":"2007-05-03T18:34:28","date_gmt":"2007-05-04T01:34:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/2007\/05\/03\/liveblogging-the-gop-debate\/"},"modified":"2007-05-03T21:28:48","modified_gmt":"2007-05-04T04:28:48","slug":"liveblogging-the-gop-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/2007\/05\/03\/liveblogging-the-gop-debate\/","title":{"rendered":"Liveblogging the GOP Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m live-blogging the Republican debate.<\/p>\n<p>5:12 PM PST &#8212; It&#8217;s almost 15 minutes into the Republican &#8220;debate,&#8221; and not one question has been directed at Ron Paul by the two moderators. What&#8217;s up with <em>that<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p>On Iraq: We must &#8220;stand up,&#8221; say them all (but Ron).<\/p>\n<p>Finally, Ron &#8212; looking nervous &#8212; is picked on: Why are all the other candidates wrong on Iraq? Ron comes back with the traditionalist position: nonintervention is the historical position of the GOP: \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t police the world, that\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s the Republican view and the view of the founding fathers.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d<\/p>\n<p>Next question is a blockbuster: why not invade Iran? McCain is in favor of it. What is the tripwire, asks Chris Matthews. Iran will give nukes to a terrorist organization, says\u00c2\u00a0McCain. If this is a real threat to the state of Israel, he says, we must &#8220;ultimately&#8221; attack. But there are a lot of intermediary steps.<\/p>\n<p>\u00c2\u00a0Tancredo asked: What if Olmert calls up and says: &#8220;We&#8217;re going to attack\u00c2\u00a0Iran. Will you help us?&#8221; Tancredo says: Yes, but there are (undefined) conditions. If Israel is\u00c2\u00a0threatened, then we must. Giuliani: nuclear weapons in the hands of an irrational man are &#8220;not an option.&#8221; What worries me is nukes in the hands of some hot-headed <em>paisano<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Question to Gilmore: Romney says it is not worth moving heaven and earth to get Osama bin Laden.\u00c2\u00a0Gilmore ducks&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>Romney: It&#8217;s not about OBL, it&#8217;s about all Muslims.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Now come candidates voted on The Politico:<\/p>\n<p>McCain is asked: would\u00c2\u00a0you be happy with Tancredo as head of the INS? In a word: No. Then rants about how he&#8217;ll follow OBL to the gates of hell.<\/p>\n<p>Should\u00c2\u00a0we change our constitution to let the foreign-born run for President:<\/p>\n<p>Romney:\u00c2\u00a0Probably not<\/p>\n<p>Five no&#8217;s so far: two yes.<\/p>\n<p>McCain: Depends on whether he endorses me or not.<\/p>\n<p>Paul: No, a strong supporter of the original intent<\/p>\n<p>Giuliani: Yes.<\/p>\n<p>Giuliani: dealing with African American community, any regrets? Ducks the question.<\/p>\n<p>Romney: what do\u00c2\u00a0you dislike the most about America? Is at a loss for words&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>Huckabee: what about\u00c2\u00a0global warming? Old Boy Scout aphorism: Leave the campsite in better shape than you found it. \u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Tancredo: Organ transplant plan? The President should not be in the forefront of such an effort. Clonging people is ridiculous.<\/p>\n<p>Hunter: Are you a compassionate conservative? Rest of my time on Iran: right now Iran is killing Americans in Iran. Iran has crossed the line. We have a &#8220;license&#8221; take whatever actions are necessary to stop it.<\/p>\n<p>Paul: would you work to phase out the IRS? Immediately. If you think govt&#8217; should take us from cradle to grave and police the world, then you won&#8217;t agree with that. But not if you want to get rid of the cycle of mounting debt and perpetual war.<\/p>\n<p>Roe vs Wade: repeal?\u00c2\u00a0Most say repeal, but Giulinani waffles and Gilmore says the first few weeks are an exception. Thompson : leave it up to the states.<\/p>\n<p>McCain looks very nervous: and he is unusually demagogic, attacking &#8220;Islamic&#8221; this and &#8220;Islamic&#8221; that, and glowering at the camera. &#8220;Faith in government&#8221; &#8212; &#8220;I want to defeat our enemies&#8221; &#8212; &#8220;I want to be president of a proud and strong nation.&#8221; Hail to The Leader!<\/p>\n<p>Huckabee,\u00c2\u00a0on the other hand,\u00c2\u00a0is relaxed, and\u00c2\u00a0relatively benevolent. Romney seems like the John Edwards of the GOP: is that a $300 haircut?\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Paul: If goal of govt&#8217; is to police the world, you lose your liberty. Wehn you overdo your aggressiveness, you become weaker. Why are we agonizing over third world countries that don&#8217;t have an army or an air force?<\/p>\n<p>Prediction: Ron Paul is going to soar in the polls. Of course, since he&#8217;s at 1 percent, that may not amount to a major surge &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Sheesh, Tommy Thompson sure is funny lookin&#8217;! He looks like an out-of-work comedian.<\/p>\n<p>A question about Jack Abramoff provokes a response from somebody (who is that guy?) who waffles on about &#8220;family values&#8221; and winds up in a peroration about &#8220;dirty&#8221; songs on the radio.<\/p>\n<p>McCain: Spending is out of &#8220;control,&#8221; and that&#8217;s why the GOP lost the last election. (Not the war).\u00c2\u00a0 What specific programs would he cut? Cost overruns in purchase of weapons systems. He is the candidate of &#8220;honest&#8221; militarism. Good luck with that one.<\/p>\n<p>Huckabee: how would you rate the Bush administration on Iraq? Ducks the question&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>I note that the moderators keep trying to get the candidates to attack each other, to no avail.<\/p>\n<p>Tommy Thompson: what can a president do about racism? We all have to be like Ronald Reagan&#8230;. ok?<\/p>\n<p>Tancredo: besides yourself, who should be the GOP nominee? In other words: admit it, you can&#8217;t win. So whom will you be endorsing? Tries to duck it, but then says, basically, anyone who agrees with his immigration position.<\/p>\n<p>McCain: the status quo is not acceptable. We need temporary workers, and the 12 million illegals have to be dealt with. Endorses Bush position.<\/p>\n<p>Paul: President makes decisions in crisis situations, have you ever made such a decision. I&#8217;m a doctor, and I&#8217;ve made plenty of life and death decisions, but none that affected a lot of other people. Five years ago, however, I made the decision to vote against the war.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a lot of talk about cloning &#8212; as if this is the biggest issue around. What kind of &#8220;debate&#8221; is it that focuses on such marginal issues? The Republicans hate cloning and stem cell research. McCain, however, wants to fund stem cell research. Paul: We either subsidize it, in Washington, or prohibit it. Answer: No. Giuliani: yes, with limitations. Tancredo: no.<\/p>\n<p>A tax you would cut: many endorse a flat tax, or the &#8220;fair tax,&#8221; except the majors &#8212; Romney, McCain, Giuliani: get rid of the death tax, and regularize rates with marginal reductions. \u00c2\u00a0Paul: get rid of the inflation tax, with a foreign policy we can&#8217;t afford and an entitlements we can&#8217;t afford either. We need sound money.<\/p>\n<p>McCain: a Democrat you&#8217;d appoint to your cabinet. Joe Lieberman: and someone named John Chambers (I think) in Silicon Valley. I know how to reach across the aisle.<\/p>\n<p>McCain: do you believe in evolution? Yes. Several candidates don&#8217;t, however (turns out the number is three, and I think one of them is Tancredo. Figures&#8230;)&#8230; and I can see why.<\/p>\n<p>Giiuliani: what is the difference between a shia and sunni Muslim. Giuliani gets it partly right, but says something about how one believes in the importance of &#8220;descent&#8221; while the other doesn&#8217;t. Hmmmmmm&#8230;.. have to check on that one. (Uh, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.islamfortoday.com\/shia.htm\">not quite<\/a> right).<\/p>\n<p>Paul: do you trust the mainstream media. I trust the internet a lot more. Goes into a riff about freedom of expression, and not regulating the internet.<\/p>\n<p>Brownback: do your personal religious beliefs influence your foreign policy views? In other words: you&#8217;re a nutball Christian dispensationalist, so how doe that go down in the foreign policy realm? Brownback confirms this by saying that, yes, he&#8217;s in favor of an &#8220;aggressive&#8221; foreign policy. (Nuke Tehran!)<\/p>\n<p>Huckabee: in light of the corruption and cronyism scandals, what lessons have you learned. Rants on about how we&#8217;re shipping jobs overseas. Attacks capitalists who &#8220;rob&#8221; workers of their rightful due. (Is this guy a commie?)<\/p>\n<p>How many have been injured and killed in Iraq, is the question asked of Tommy Thompson. He doesn&#8217;t really know, says over 3,000 killed (correct) but then fumbles it with &#8220;several thousand&#8221; wounded (it&#8217;s over 30,000).<\/p>\n<p>Romney and Giuliani come out with a &#8220;tamper-proof&#8221; national ID card. Holy moley! Brownback dissents. We have social security. McCain is for it: absolutely! (of course). Paul: I am absolutely opposed to a national ID card. This absolutely contradicts the real purpose of governmentl, which is to protect people not invade their privacy.<\/p>\n<p>Should Scooter Libby be pardoned? Romney attacks Fitzgerald, but tries to duck anyway. The rest duck &#8212; except for Tancredo, who says yes, pardon him. Paul: Scooter was instrumental in getting us into a war that we didn&#8217;t need to be in.<\/p>\n<p>Terry Schiavo: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>Would it be good to have Bill Clinton back in the White House? The big joke question, naturally asked by Chris Matthews. Giuliani repeats the phrase &#8220;Islamic fundamentalist terrorism&#8221; no less than three times in his answer.<\/p>\n<p>How will you be different from President Bush: Romney ducks. Says we need 100,000 more troops (in Iraq?) McCain: I would not have mismanaged the war. Ouch! Gilmore: Homeland security is the key. Huckabee: More states rights. (Wow! Good answer!) Honor the tenth amendment (Double-wow!) Hunter: China is cheating on trade laws. What&#8217;s his name: divide Iraq, and a political solution as well as a military solution for Iraq. Tancredo: huh? Thompson: bromides. Giuliani: we should remind ourselves that we thought we were going to be hit many times and we weren&#8217;t. The decision to go to war was correct. Paul: invokes Robert A. Taft, he would change our foreign policy to non-interventionism, and he would protect the privacy of Americans from the prying eyes of government. Lastly, he would never abuse the right of habeas corpus.<\/p>\n<p>And Ron has the last word!<\/p>\n<p>Whew! My fingers hurt!<\/p>\n<p>Summing up: What a bunch! Ron Paul shines, the others seem as predictable and boring as &#8230;. well, as your average &#8220;modern&#8221; Republican.<\/p>\n<p>Now comes the &#8220;spin&#8221;:<\/p>\n<p>No mention of the only antiwar Republican candidate, namely Ron Paul, about half an hour into the &#8220;spin&#8221; on MSNBC. Come on, guys &#8212; yeah, I mean you, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and Senor Scarborough &#8212; let&#8217;s get real. It&#8217;s all about how McCain is going to &#8220;follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of Hell.&#8221; Which means, I guess, that Mad John knows where <em>he<\/em>&#8216;s going to wind up &#8230;.<\/p>\n<p><em>National Review<\/em> has <a href=\"http:\/\/hillaryspot.nationalreview.com\/post\/?q=NmU5ZGZkODZmNTllMzE5NDE4ZDQ0N2Q4ZjE0ZGMxYzU=%3EDebate%20Wrap-Up%3C\/a%3E%E2%80%9D%3C\/span%3E%20%3Cspan%20class=\">this<\/a> to say about Ron Paul: &#8220;Sigh, yes, thank you for telling us how a libertarian idealist would do it.&#8221; Not that anyone at <em>NR <\/em>is interested in liberty.<\/p>\n<p>I have to say that, as much as I admire Ron, his presentation was not as good as it might have been. The clear &#8220;winner&#8221; of the debate was (is?) Romney, at least in beauty-contest terms. And that&#8217;s what this was: there were no real ideas here, no contrasting approaches to government, only variations on a theme of militarism and economic nostrums that don&#8217;t amount to a coherent phiosophy or even a general approach to government. Ron Paul stood out because he deviated so\u00c2\u00a0radically from the rest in that respect.<\/p>\n<p>The three candidates besides Dr.Paul who may have generated the most intellectual excitement &#8212; Chuck Hagel, Newt Gingrich, and Fred Thompson &#8212; weren&#8217;t present. Although then it would&#8217;ve been quite a crowd scene, underscoring the complete political and ideological vacuum at the hollow heart of the GOP.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;m live-blogging the Republican debate. 5:12 PM PST &#8212; It&#8217;s almost 15 minutes into the Republican &#8220;debate,&#8221; and not one question has been directed at Ron Paul by the two moderators. What&#8217;s up with that? On Iraq: We must &#8220;stand up,&#8221; say them all (but Ron). Finally, Ron &#8212; looking nervous &#8212; is picked on: [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[676],"coauthors":[],"class_list":["post-3498","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","tag-antiwar-movement"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"meta_box":{"disable_donate_message":"","custom_donate_message":"","subtitle":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3498","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3498"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3498\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3498"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3498"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3498"},{"taxonomy":"author","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/coauthors?post=3498"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}